TalonDave HX40 10.14; 4g63awdhonda HY35 11.14

[JusMX141]

I don't understand what the problem is here--if this is not true, then why doesn't this person respond himself? Instead, why does someone with your position feel the need to do this for him?

He's hardly ever on this site, as evident of his join date / post count ratio. Hell I don't even know if he has internet access at this time.

The only reason I'm responding is to his criticism is because I hate seeing someone get badmouthed for no reason when they're not available to defend themselves.

 

[4g63awdhonda]

for all the ppl saying about my tuning and all the knock im not getting well i do know a little about some stuff but i dont have my knock sensor turned off and my check engine light kicks on at 3 degrees of knock so i guess i dont know what im doing RIGHT? well im not on here much so keep talking smack LOSERS!!!!!!!

well also about the spark plug that was burnt i was an hour away from my house and my waste gate gasket blew out and my wastegate bolt backed out then i noticed it was leaking but i didnt have a bolt to put in it so i drove it an hour home with no wastegate and my wastegate is off the number 1 cylinder and my egt's got a liil hot in that cylinder but i guess stuff like that happens if you drive your car everyday so idk what to say other than i guess its IMPROPER TUNING HUH?

 

[forcefed86]

for all the ppl saying about my tuning and all the knock im not getting well i do know a little about some stuff but i dont have my knock sensor turned off and my check engine light kicks on at 3 degrees of knock so i guess i dont know what im doing RIGHT? well im not on here much so keep talking smack LOSERS!!!!!!!

well also about the spark plug that was burnt i was an hour away from my house and my waste gate gasket blew out and my wastegate bolt backed out then i noticed it was leaking but i didnt have a bolt to put in it so i drove it an hour home with no wastegate and my wastegate is off the number 1 cylinder and my egt's got a liil hot in that cylinder but i guess stuff like that happens if you drive your car everyday so idk what to say other than i guess its IMPROPER TUNING HUH?

Obviously your car runs well.


So you're saying the plug was damaged on the cruise home. And above it says you ran your track times on a damaged plug? Which is it?

Also, Why do you think a leaky WG would melt a spark plug? Getting a little hot and being hot enough to melt the electrode off a steel spark plug are two totally different things. The only condition a plug will melt like that is under heavy detonation. Lean cruize will not melt a plug tip. Hard to tell from your pic but it looks like there is speckling on the plug as well.

Not smack talking here, just trying to help out a fellow DSM racer.

Good luck!

 

[JusMX141]

So you're saying the plug was damaged on the cruise home. And above it says you ran your track times on a damaged plug? Which is it?

Also, Why do you think a leaky WG would melt a spark plug? Getting a little hot and being hot enough to melt the electrode off a steel spark plug are two totally different things. The only condition a plug will melt like that is under heavy detonation. Lean cruize will not melt a plug tip.

I was told the car started to miss in 4th gear on the 11.27 run, hence the 10mph-lower trap speed on that run, it then missed the rest of the day at the track and REALLY missed (acted like a dropped cylinder) on the way to my shop from the track (around 8 miles). All of the other plugs looked fine- plug #1 was the only one with any damage.

I actually think it was a defective plug, or had something to do with the wastegate gasket leaking like Gabe claims because the gate is placed on the #1 runner- the car was clearly NOT running lean on the 11.14 run.

 

[forcefed86]

I was told the car started to miss in 4th gear on the 11.27 run, hence the 10mph-lower trap speed on that run, it then missed the rest of the day at the track and REALLY missed (acted like a dropped cylinder) on the way to my shop from the track (around 8 miles). All of the other plugs looked fine- plug #1 was the only one with any damage.

I actually think it was a defective plug, or had something to do with the wastegate gasket leaking like Gabe claims because the gate is placed on the #1 runner- the car was clearly NOT running lean on the 11.14 run.

I'm not knocking on the guy, Stranger things have happened.

I have melted more than a few plugs in my day. A defective plug isn't going to melt. You can see clearly the strap is melted in the pic. You don't have to be lean to detonate. I think gabe has found the limit on his current tune/setup and pump gas. Usually that means it either needs to have the timing turned down or have the fuel octane raised.

The WG leak isn't going to have that much of an effect. #1 is usually the leanest cylinder since it is farthest from the TB. So if your tune is on the edge that is sometimes where it will show up first.

If I were him I'd pull all the plugs and take a really close look at them for "peppering".

 

[dsm-onster]

This is not directed to you forcefed86 at all. I think I see where you're coming from. But, at the apparent jealousy elsewhere.

The car runs well enough for a full weight 2g to trap that mph. If his tune is *bad*, then what's working? If his tune is great then a baby hy35 turbine wheel is ok and bravo to those choosing the larger hx35 turbine wheel. If his tune is just ok, then mix a little of each.

Still, pouters will pout. Its a bit childish to 'call out' someones tune trapping better or the same power as you with such a small half of a turbo. After all, I dont see you fellas questioning Nate's tune on Brown's car. Another tiny turbine with a great mph. Then again, those questioning have had a history of badmouthing turbos/other with which they have no experience. There's more than one way to skin a sheep. To those, your particular experience has given you no apparent authority on the other path so discussed of the many others available. For all you know, he had to run the sh¡t out of the thing. But leave it to your 'knowledge' to suppose his tune is 'bad'.

Bottem line, he's doing just as well with less turbo. Enjoy. . . Provide help when asked. And, stop and think of what to which you are now alluding.

 

[bastarddsm]

This is not directed to you forcefed86 at all. I think I see where you're coming from. But, at the apparent jealousy elsewhere.

Really? There is something very fishy about this. 133 mph in a 3000lb car is a 600whp car. He claims he's doing this on a 58lb/min turbo with a restrictive exhaust side. On a twin scroll hx35 with E85, this would be an awesome trap speed. He's claiming to do it on 93oct, and won't show his logs. I'm gonna venture to guess this is becuase he was running some sort of race fuel, and he doesn't want to let everyone know it buy the 15*+ degrees of advance hes getting on the top end, or the fairly lean afr's hes afforded to run.

I have plenty of holset experince, and I'm one of the few to break into the 11's on a 8 blade hx35, and my car is HEAVY at 3350lbs. On pump gas it was difficult to make 400whp without being on the edge. I realize he is running a smim with BC288's, which pushes his peak power to 8000Rpm a 28% increase in power, or about 100 whp at my level. Wheres the extra 100whp coming from?

Maybe I'm wrong, and if I am he should be making good money tuning cars.

 

[4g63awdhonda]

all i gotta say is if anyone wants to fill my car up with gas ill gladly let them hahaha when i made my 11.14@133 i also had almost 3 quarters of a take of gas............. and as for the dude that said about the plug two day b4 is when i burnt the plug from the wastegate falling off so i had a friend stop at advace auto and pick me up a set of plugs which i didnt put in because it was running kinda decent breaking up a lil up top but i still ran it im just lazy didnt wanna change plugs if you was there you could have changed them for me hahaha well you guys can think what you want this is why im not on here very much because alot of ppl clam to know what they are doing but where is there cars?????????

 

[talondave]

Really? There is something very fishy about this. 133 mph in a 3000lb car is a 600whp car. He claims he's doing this on a 58lb/min turbo with a restrictive exhaust side. On a twin scroll hx35 with E85, this would be an awesome trap speed. He's claiming to do it on 93oct, and won't show his logs. I'm gonna venture to guess this is becuase he was running some sort of race fuel, and he doesn't want to let everyone know it buy the 15*+ degrees of advance hes getting on the top end, or the fairly lean afr's hes afforded to run.

I have plenty of holset experince, and I'm one of the few to break into the 11's on a 8 blade hx35, and my car is HEAVY at 3350lbs. On pump gas it was difficult to make 400whp without being on the edge. I realize he is running a smim with BC288's, which pushes his peak power to 8000Rpm a 28% increase in power, or about 100 whp at my level. Wheres the extra 100whp coming from?

Maybe I'm wrong, and if I am he should be making good money tuning cars.

I am not shitting you, Me and him both filled up on gas at a BP before we headed up to the track! I filled up my truck, and he filled up his car with 93! Trust me, it was not on race gas, or E85. I have no clue what his logs, peak timing, afr's were at the track! I don't know how much a fully ported head helps out, but he does have one of those also!

 

[4g63awdhonda]

thanks dave atleast you and everyone else here know what im running

 

[boopy D]

Indeed. Talkers never do and doer's never talk.haha but I can and will admit I road in it and had my hand in molesting the beast and its very very very true.all pump gas and no e85 or race gas.the thing is a monster but dont just take my word,he's got the proof to go with it.Blazingly fast it is I tell u.

 

[turboboy4]

Both of these cars haul ass and I dont know why we have to have a bunch of haters on here saying he cant tune or making dumbass assumptions. When or bet yet if you ever brought your car to the track and beat then throw your comments at him otherwise I doubt he wants to here it

 

[dsmtalon2008]

Congrats!!! HX40 here making 55/lb min at 26 psi, revving to 6900 (pos 2g speed sensor broke, and didnt realize you could turn launch control off based on mph so was tuning all summer on 6900 rpms) with smim and bc272s. No clue what the lb/min would be if I would have actually been revving up to 8500 like I wanted to. Good thing I didnt cause the way it was I blew 4 trannies this summer ha!

Congrats again and gimme some hope with a single digit pass Dave!

 

[4g63awdhonda]

Indeed. Talkers never do and doer's never talk.haha but I can and will admit I road in it and had my hand in molesting the beast and its very very very true.all pump gas and no e85 or race gas.the thing is a monster but dont just take my word,he's got the proof to go with it.Blazingly fast it is I tell u.

there had to be e85 or race gas well atleast thats what the masters say HAHAHA

 

[bastarddsm]

I am not shitting you, Me and him both filled up on gas at a BP before we headed up to the track! I filled up my truck, and he filled up his car with 93! Trust me, it was not on race gas, or E85. I have no clue what his logs, peak timing, afr's were at the track! I don't know how much a fully ported head helps out, but he does have one of those also!

Those are great times. Its just so hard to believe. Well set up cars on E85 are doing pretty well if they trap more than 130.

Not directed at you dave. Skepticism is not hating. Just look at any car with a 58mm turbo on pump gas. They will be over 100whp down from him.

Gabe, how many lb/min do you see with this setup?

 

[4g63awdhonda]

Those are great times. Its just so hard to believe. Well set up cars on E85 are doing pretty well if they trap more than 130.

Not directed at you dave. Skepticism is not hating. Just look at any car with a 58mm turbo on pump gas. They will be over 100whp down from him.

Gabe, how many lb/min do you see with this setup?

well idk right at the moment its been a while since i looked at my logs i will log a run next weekend at the track and let you know right now im not around my car i wont be home till mon. but if you really want i will go log a run and see what it is running monday

 

[talondave]

Those are great times. Its just so hard to believe. Well set up cars on E85 are doing pretty well if they trap more than 130.

Not directed at you dave. Skepticism is not hating. Just look at any car with a 58mm turbo on pump gas. They will be over 100whp down from him.

Gabe, how many lb/min do you see with this setup?

This year before switching to Q16, I also had good luck on pump 93! I ran a 10.91@132, on straight pump 93 with street tires, and ran a 10.86@126 with slicks, on pump 93!

 

[4g63awdhonda]

This year before switching to Q16, I also had good luck on pump 93! I ran a 10.91@132, on straight pump 93 with street tires, and ran a 10.86@126 with slicks, on pump 93!

now dave quit your lieing you know it was e85 jk

 

[forcefed86]

This year before switching to Q16, I also had good luck on pump 93! I ran a 10.91@132, on straight pump 93 with street tires, and ran a 10.86@126 with slicks, on pump 93!

What kind of timing are you guys running on 93? "Danl" of this board also just went from e85 to pump 93 and actually picked up MPH with his 68hta setup. (126mph)

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/dyno-talk/374097-fp-68hta-dyno-results.html

 

[Morphius]

Cripes you guys. How about some congrats rather than throwing up BS!

Everyones first response to ANYTHING here:

1. Let's see a pic.
2. Let's see the slip.
3. Let's see the video.
4. We still don't believe you. Post a video of your buddy driving the car with the same result while eating a burger.
5. We still don't believe you. Teardown the car and post pictures of all the parts with measurements.
6. Repost the pictures

Give it a break.

 

[MY1GDSM]

What kind of timing are you guys running on 93? "Danl" of this board also just went from e85 to pump 93 and actually picked up MPH with his 68hta setup. (126mph)

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/dyno-talk/374097-fp-68hta-dyno-results.html

There is no way he went faster because of gas. Besides their's no way to run the the kind of timing on pump that you can on E85(at least at boost levels that are gonna matter) Most Cars can pick up 50hp or more going to E85 with a good tune. (Which you probaly know)


He Went Faster Because Swapped out injectors for ones that were not clogged up by "black goo" not because he switched to Pump gas...

I went 122 mph. Then I added a little bit of timing (still on E85) and went 124mph a couple weeks back. I then swapped out a set of clogged injectors, put in pump gas, and went 126mph.

Anyway back on topic

Congrads on the times to both of you...

4g63awdhonda Any chance you would share the tune? since you don't have a Log?I'm Not saying anything either way just Curious to see what it looks like... .

 

[talondave]

My peak timing on pump 93, was around a high of 14* at wot!

 

[4g63awdhonda]

What kind of timing are you guys running on 93? "Danl" of this board also just went from e85 to pump 93 and actually picked up MPH with his 68hta setup. (126mph)

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/dyno-talk/374097-fp-68hta-dyno-results.html

well as of now my timing is at 17 degrees wot and i am going to the track sat. so i will log a run if i remember i had 5 passes last friday and forgot to click on the capture button everytime but i do know when i tuned it my afr's were 11.6 my timing was 17 to 18 and my boost is 30-33 lbs on 8.3-1 compression

 

[bastarddsm]

well as of now my timing is at 17 degrees wot and i am going to the track sat. so i will log a run if i remember i had 5 passes last friday and forgot to click on the capture button everytime but i do know when i tuned it my afr's were 11.6 my timing was 17 to 18 and my boost is 30-33 lbs on 8.3-1 compression

What the #### kinda rocket fuel ass pump gas you guys have out there. I'm lucky to get 8* at 25psi before knock.

These are numbers that 99.9% of the rest of us are lucky to see on E85 or pump gas.

 

[danl]

No real reason this car can't go that fast on pump gas at that weight. Seems legit to me. A turbo of that size with good intercooling on a fall Pennsylvanian day, sure why not.