Holset Turbos, PART 4

[topnotchgsx]

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[Slippi84]

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ahhhh there you go. If the one I pictured is like that I'm def going that route.

 

[95tzlgst]

^^That looks sick.

 

[aero_sallee]

Sorry I'm having a hard time picturing this setup in my head could you get a picture of this as I have just stumbled upon a HE351VE and would like to eventually run it once my car can support it. Like did you have to do anything custom to mount the 14b wastegate actuator?

edit: Found picture of your modified manifold but none of 14b actuator controlling vgt.

Here is how it is run. I'm sure yours would be different, this placement worked for me because of how my manifold adapter places the turbo.
I mounted it this way just to see how it works, it needs to be made more permanent. I'm not sure, I think an acutuator with a stiffer spring and a larger head on it would work better so that the pressure on the VGT rack influences the travel less.
At the very least the way its mounted needs to be modified to use both mounting tabs. The tabs on this one were twisted slightly from when I used it on my HX40.

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The rod passes through the gap between the motor mount and the transmission.

 

[propeine]

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Dammit all. I always come up with these good ideas that someone already came up with. Mid 2002 I dreamed up this dual runner intake design with a friend...One short, one long for better low end torque. Ya cyclone manifold, 3kgt manifold, already using it in the 90s. Last year I drew up a rat rod idea I wanted to pursue. Two months later in Hot Rod magazine there was a nice professionally rendered drawing of something so close to my plan it was scary.

 

[Slippi84]

Dammit all. I always come up with these good ideas that someone already came up with. Mid 2002 I dreamed up this dual runner intake design with a friend...One short, one long for better low end torque. Ya cyclone manifold, 3kgt manifold, already using it in the 90s. Last year I drew up a rat rod idea I wanted to pursue. Two months later in Hot Rod magazine there was a nice professionally rendered drawing of something so close to my plan it was scary.

Think faster and you will be a rich man .

 

[jkimes]

Anyone have an educated power and spool estimate for the following H1e turbo on a 2.4 race built motor?

The Holset P/N. is: 3528785 / 3528786-1-9. H1E turbocharger with original Holset internal parts and balanced to Holset's specs. The compressor housing is a Holset H1E with a "Anti Surge" 4" (101.6 mm) inlet and 2 1/2" (63.5 mm) outlet, The compressor inlet has been "Fully Ported",

Compressor Wheel : Holset 60 Trim 2.363" (60.0 mm) Inducer and 3.268"" (83.0 mm) Major diam.

Turbine Housing : T4 Style Tangential Divided 22 cm (Close to .84 A/R) with a 3 1/2" (88.9 mm) V-Band exhaust.

Turbine Wheel : High Flow 2.518" (63.9 mm) Exducer and 2.918" (74.1 mm) Major diam.

Center Housing : Oil-cooled.

Turbine Inlet Flange Footprint : TO4 Divided.

 

[Slippi84]

Anyone have an educated power and spool estimate for the following H1e turbo on a 2.4 race built motor?

The Holset P/N. is: 3528785 / 3528786-1-9. H1E turbocharger with original Holset internal parts and balanced to Holset's specs. The compressor housing is a Holset H1E with a "Anti Surge" 4" (101.6 mm) inlet and 2 1/2" (63.5 mm) outlet, The compressor inlet has been "Fully Ported",

Compressor Wheel : Holset 60 Trim 2.363" (60.0 mm) Inducer and 3.268"" (83.0 mm) Major diam.

Turbine Housing : T4 Style Tangential Divided 22 cm (Close to .84 A/R) with a 3 1/2" (88.9 mm) V-Band exhaust.

Turbine Wheel : High Flow 2.518" (63.9 mm) Exducer and 2.918" (74.1 mm) Major diam.

Center Housing : Oil-cooled.

Turbine Inlet Flange Footprint : TO4 Divided.

Just buy one already . You keep asking about these turbos but your goal is out the relm of the norm so no one can tell you for sure which turbo will def make the power your looking. If I were you I would be looking for a divided t4 hx40 6 or 7 blade and a divided manifold and then just build your setup around that. You have the motor to spool it and the divided housing with these turbos makes them quick spooling high flowing beast. Just a matter of how much boost your willing to run and how well you tune it.

 

[jkimes]

Lol, yea I know it's pretty rediculous how long it has taken me to finally make a decision on a turbo. I will be buying either an s366 from full-race or a 60mm holset hx40 or h1e variant. I have already purchased a divided T4 Dark Performance manifold and I need to buy a turbo ASAP so that I can get my car back on the road before the track closes for the season. The problem is, I have not been able to find any 6 or 7 blade "super 40" turbos on ebay or on the diesel forums(they are all 8 blades). I was able to find new hx "super 40" 6/7 blade turbos on some of the diesel performance retail websites that dsm-onster linked to earlier in this thread but they are all $900 or more. I found an H1E that has been remanufactured and supposedly upgraded to make more power than the hx40 (specs listed in my previous post) for around 600 bucks that I wanna buy right now but I wanna make sure it's an appropriate turbo for 650+whp and decent spool. If I'm gonna have to spend over $700 on a used or remanufactured Holset or over $900-$1000 on a new hx40, I think I would rather just go all out and get a new Borg s366 for $1200.

 

[dsmmike50t]

^^^Here's two hx40's with 6 blade compressors.



eBay Motors: HOT ROD TURBO DODGE CUMMINS HOLSET HX40 PULLER RACE NR (item 320290512378 end time Sep-01-08 18:30:00 PDT)


eBay Motors: Holset Turbo charger (used) ******** NO RESERVE! (item 300254075254 end time Sep-07-08 11:40:53 PDT)


I see your aiming for some big hp why don't you try the hx50 below.

eBay Motors: HUGE HOLSET HX50 HIGH PERFORMANCE TURBOCHARGER MUST SEE (item 220272881622 end time Aug-31-08 08:23:30 PDT)

 

[Slippi84]

You could make 650+ with a regular hx40 6 blade and .55ar bolt on housing so any t4 hx40 will be more than enough.

Quick question about the dark performance t4 divided manifold, does it have that divider like the picture above in the wastegate flange to keep the exhaust seperated? If you could post pics that would be great

 

[ceedawg]

ahhhh there you go. If the one I pictured is like that I'm def going that route.

Yep it is built like that.

 

[Slippi84]

Yep it is built like that.

Then who makes that one cause the Dark performance one doesn't look like it has a divider??

 

[dsm-onster]

jkimes, any h1e or hx40 with a 60mm compressor can reach your goal. My gut tells me that the 18cm^2 housing is optimal for your goal, the 22cm housing seams a little too bug for street fun, but will surely ensure your goal because it flows more.

 

[Slippi84]

HX52 footprint

 

[JWoodley]

Who's making what kinda numbers on pump using the 6 blade bolt-on hx40s? Anyone running meth with the same setup?

I'm about to have my motor together.

 

[jkimes]

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Anybody know if these numbers give any indication of turbine housing or impeller size?

ASSY: 3590348
Serial: C 03320071
Customer: 3590395-04-06-**
Model: HX40W

 

[Slippi84]

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Anybody know if these numbers give any indication of turbine housing or impeller size?

ASSY: 3590348
Serial: C 03320071
Customer: 3590395-04-06-**
Model: HX40W

should be standard hx40 but that's a t3 housing you have a t4 manifold right. The same manifold your gonna take some pics of and post up right

 

[b00stedtalon2]

Received my HX52 today. Manifold will be here on Tuesday so look for pics of it mounted up.

I got it for $220 shipped, it's pretty much brand new minus 1 broken exhaust stud and a ding on the comp inlet which is no big deal.

(Ignore the camera phone quality, I had to sell my DSLR to afford the manifold :

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[Maglin]

It's finally come. My one day off a week. I'm pretty busy with a new house (no lawn, no anything really) that I have had no time to work on the DSM or even take some pics. I'll look for my camera and snap some pics of the HX52 next to the H1E and next to the 13B-REW. I'll also snap some pics of the TH next to a T4 housing. I've never seen a T6 housing but I just know that the bolt pattern is different than a T4 but the actual size is almost the same.

If you go back to the First Holset thread I posted a bunch of measurements of my HX355 and H1E both compressor and turbine wheels. My H1E turbine wheel is f'n hugh. BEP used to be active in the first and second threads and said that my H1E turbine wheel was much bigger and wouldn't fit in the HX40 TH w/o milling out the TH. Then I found out that their is a lot of different H1E options as far as wheels go. I'll see about getting my calipers out (I took them home to measure some R/C parts and they are around here somewhere) and measure the HX52 wheels for your info. FYI I got my HX52 new (with assembly lube still in it) for $421. It's worth it just as a conversation piece.

Also about the having to use high boost for Batmans HP numbers. That is any turbo. You do have to remember that it's just a 2.0L. It requires a lot of cramming to get V-8 (which are 3x the displacement) HP numbers.

 

[b00stedtalon2]

HX52 footprint

Just measured my 52. That footprint is WACK! Way off..

 

[andy4g63]

Could you please tell me, what are the turbine wheel specs??? Inducer; exducer. And where did you actually got it ??? The HX - 52 I am talking about. Thanks a lot, Andy.

 

[Maglin]

Ok I took a bunch of pictures... It might take a few posts for them all. I also measured both the compressor and turbine wheel's of the HX52. You have to remember these are probably only accurate to +/- .03mm which for this discussion is plenty.

HX52 Compressor Wheel: 7 blade wheel
Inducer - 66mm More like 65.9mm but close enough
Exducer - 97.64mm

HX52 Turbine Wheel:
Inducer - 84mm
Exducer - 70mm

Also note I can't just measure the inducer of the compressor wheel as it's a odd number blade wheel. I have to measure one blade and then the nose cone and do some math but it's pretty close to on the money IMO. (good enough for the girls I date anyways)

Now for some pics. in no particular order. Click on Picture to view full size.

13B-REW and HX52

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HX52 and T4 TH

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H1E and HX52 Compressor Covers

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H1E Assy Tag

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[Maglin]

H1E And HX52 Turbine Wheels

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HX52 Turbine Housing Numbers

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HX52 Turbine Wheel Tape

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HX52 Turbie Wheel

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HX52 Compressor Wheel

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HX52 Compressor Wheel Tape

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HX52 Turbine housing tape

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HX52 Assy Tag

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T4 .68AR TH

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[b00stedtalon2]

Cool cool... What manifold are you going to run?