STOCK BLOCK Record broken by Ostar

[Armandotech]

Dave and I had seriously considered running the FP HTA GT3794R at the beginning of last season- definitely looks like a strong turbo, giving users quite an edge over 35R users. When it came down to it, a $2000 turbo just wasn't fitting in the budget.

Out of curiosity, what happened to your DSM88?

The dsm88 bent the turbine wheel shaft

 

[Lofty]

I think it would be kind of silly to put STOCK BLOCK on the back of the car and not have a stock block.

No proof needed.

Armando, it's Scott, Prestons friend... I knew I knew your car....

 

[DiamondStar90]

yeah but if i recall someone 2 years ago said they had the stock block record and turned out they lied!!

not trying to bring the car down as i give mike mad props for the numbers for sure

and to "GSXdsmking"-sure i would love to take a drive across the country and check it out for my self ...besides that i cant prove he doesn't

I think it would be kind of silly to put STOCK BLOCK on the back of the car and not have a stock block.

No proof needed.

Armando, it's Scott, Prestons friend... I knew I knew your car....

I defanitly take your word on it then

 

[JusMX141]

The dsm88 bent the turbine wheel shaft

E85 tune, correct? Asking because I'm noticing this is becoming a growing problem on E85 cars. I believe it has to do with excessive EGT's causing the turbine shaft to weaken until it either breaks or bends. This problem really seems to surface on turbos with a turbine wheel that is smaller than the compressor by a bit, causing excessive turbine backpressure.

Don't think I'm blaming the tuners at all- the E85 fuel is so good that they're not seeing knock, so they're going leaner and running more timing without regard to EGT's.

 

[Armandotech]

We run e98 fuel and the timing at 16degrees (max) and afr at 11.8 mixture I don't see the tune being super aggressive but Robert at fp did say that having the dsm bolt housing and the boost that we were running was causing a lot of backpressure that was the main reason of why the turbo died. It was a great turbo but the 3794 it's amazing, the car made more power at less boost.

 

[JusMX141]

Definitely a step in the right direction going to the 3794, although logging low 10's and over 600whp with a bolt-on turbo is quite an accomplishment.

Going along with what Robert was saying in regard to the excessive backpressure, the tune may not have had as much to do with damaging the turbo directly, but the backpressure does indeed raise EGT's. Now it may be entirely possibly that there are just more people pushing their smaller turbos these days with E85 and E98 available, but I'm seeing more turbine failures on various turbos from ethanol users than gasoline users in recent years. This would be the first ball bearing turbine failure I've heard of, showing that the ball bearing users aren't necessarily granted immunity.

 

[Armandotech]

Unfortunately our dsm88 was a journal bearing unit due to a previous failure we had. Looks like the excessive back pressure and the bearings didn't like the 40psi of boost that we were running

 

[slanTeyeZ]

What did you guys do to fix the misfire issue?

 

[Armandotech]

What we thought that was a misfire ended up being valve float so we changed the springs and retainers and solved the problem

 

[CMBtuning]

it wasn't exactly a "missfire"....

BTW, GRS got the video and will be up later on this week!

 

[turbodsm18]

Congrats on the times! Thats moving out for sure.

Im gonna be shooting for the record next year but this time not in a fwd car. Would like to see low 9s, high 8s out of the stock shortblock.

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-Kevin-

 

[rrussell]

Nice work Guys!!!

Killer MPH

 

[SupremeDsm]

If you are using ARP rod bolts/main studs that definately takes you out of the game. Here is the rules incase anyone is confused. If completely stock and legit those are some nice numbers. I will be coming for you though!
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/drag-strip/419816-stock-block-record-rules.html

 

[nitrouskris]

mike specs
Rizzotti Racing

In my view its a stock block record. dont care if he has arp rods bolts because, people have arp head studs and to me both are parts to help hold the power that a car can make when using factory parts.

to me the rules should be
1. stock pistons 1gen - factory or oem replacement

2. stock rods - factory or oem replacement

3. block not filled

4.crank - factory or oem replacement

5.rings - factory or oem replacement

and another thing after market oil pan is cheating but if add a oil cooler it isnt ??? how ???

 

[SupremeDsm]

mike specs
Rizzotti Racing

In my view its a stock block record. dont care if he has arp rods bolts because, people have arp head studs and to me both are parts to help hold the power that a car can make when using factory parts.

to me the rules should be
1. stock pistons 1gen - factory or oem replacement

2. stock rods - factory or oem replacement

3. block not filled

4.crank - factory or oem replacement

5.rings - factory or oem replacement

and another thing after market oil pan is cheating but if add a oil cooler it isnt ??? how ???

You sir are wrong. The rules have been set and stickied by Ludachris. It was debated and agreed that arp rod bolts is automatic disqualification. It is Mike's record and he did it without arp rod bolts. He set the standard for the stock block record. If someone wants to take his record then they have to play by his rules. Simple as that. The rules are set and those are what everyone has to go by. Arp rod bolts did not come from the factory so therefore it would be taking it out of the Stock Block class.

 

[nitrouskris]

You sir are wrong. The rules have been set and stickied by Ludachris. It was debated and agreed that arp rod bolts is automatic disqualification. It is Mike's record and he did it without arp rod bolts. He set the standard for the stock block record. If someone wants to take his record then they have to play by his rules. Simple as that. The rules are set and those are what everyone has to go by. Arp rod bolts did not come from the factory so therefore it would be taking it out of the Stock Block class.

whatever. IF THAT MAKES YOU HAPPY, well in that case WETWORKS as the FASTEST 6 BOLT STOCK BLOCK RECORD. 9.4 @ 154 its a 100% stock block NO ARP rod bolts or mains

If you are using ARP rod bolts/main studs that definately takes you out of the game. Here is the rules incase anyone is confused. If completely stock and legit those are some nice numbers. I will be coming for you though!
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/drag-strip/419816-stock-block-record-rules.html

so going by the rules its the fastest stock block and it shouldnt matter that its in a dragster right ? at the end of the day, everyone will have a diff point of view of this

Hey guys we finally did it today at the last event of the year!!!! The road to it was tough but with great people and sponsors helping, it was bound to happen. We had been strugguling for the past few months with misfire issues and Mike (Michael Rizzotti) was nice enough to give me a hand and helped me solve the issue. After the dsm88 went out, we decided to go with the FP 3794 and it was a perfect decision because it got us over the hill and then some. I want to thank everyone involved and also our sponsors this year: Forced Performance, BC Racing, Torque Solution, Gato peformace Fuel Injector Clinic and Jay Racing.

First Pass off the trailer:

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Great job again and let the haters hate.

 

[OstarMotorsport]

If you are using ARP rod bolts/main studs that definately takes you out of the game. Here is the rules incase anyone is confused. If completely stock and legit those are some nice numbers. I will be coming for you though!
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/drag-strip/419816-stock-block-record-rules.html

I dont know who made the statement that my block has arp hardware but that is incorrect. My block does have arp head studs and correct me if i'm wrong but that is allowed. THE BLOCK IS STOCK only the BS have been removed so please anyone saying otherwise get your facts straight because there is no confusion here on my part. Get to work on your stock block because you have a little ways to go

This is probably gonna be it for my STOCK Block Record journey. We started out in 2010 when Mike was still in the chase and man was it tough to beat him Hope more people continue the chase. I will most likely build the motor now on the off season and set out for new things for 2012

 

[Ralliart567]

Did your car have massive miss fire at full throttle or how did u figure out it wad the valves cause my eclipse miss fires hard at wide throttle but half throttle it comes on to boost hard. And did your car make 600hp on stock block

 

[ALBurgundy]

What we thought that was a misfire ended up being valve float so we changed the springs and retainers and solved the problem

Not the first time Ive heard of this being a problem. At what rpm was the "breakup" happening.


Haters gonna Hate.
Id like to say, Job well done.

 

[skatershawn]

Good job man, it's crazy to see how far this motor can go, even in stock form!

 

[CJUiCE]

This is probably gonna be it for my STOCK Block Record journey. We started out in 2010 when Mike was still in the chase and man was it tough to beat him Hope more people continue the chase. I will most likely build the motor now on the off season and set out for new things for 2012

I would built it too after that smoke show up top, what blew, the motor?

 

[OstarMotorsport]

Did your car have massive miss fire at full throttle or how did u figure out it wad the valves cause my eclipse miss fires hard at wide throttle but half throttle it comes on to boost hard. And did your car make 600hp on stock block

After talking to Mike he suggested I change the springs and retainers from what I had to Kiggly because he had seen the same problem before on 2 other cars. I had already checked every other avenue trying to find the solution.

I would built it too after that smoke show up top, what blew, the motor?

Well I was saving this for the vid but yes the number one cylinder had problems I haven't checked the motor over but I have a feeling that the stock rod bolts on cylinder one gave up. The track official at the end of the strip looked at me like i was crazy because I was the happiest guy ever with engine problems What a way to end the season!! To bad that I didnt get my usual 1.5 60' on that pass, becuase it sure would have been a 9.6 or 9.7. I am almost tempted to throw on my spare stock block and give it another swing

It would start to break up at about 5000 to5500rpm

Not at all.. sounds like yours might be something else

 

[CJUiCE]

Well I was saving this for the vid but yes the number one cylinder had problems I haven't checked the motor over but I have a feeling that the stock rod bolts on cylinder one gave up. The track official at the end of the strip looked at me like i was crazy because I was the happiest guy ever with engine problems What a way to end the season!! To bad that I didnt get my usual 1.5 60' on that pass, becuase it sure would have been a 9.6 or 9.7. I am almost tempted to throw on my spare stock block and give it another swing

Ah, that sucks, i knew it was something big, .

 

[OstarMotorsport]

Here is a pic of the engine bay I took after the 9.8 pass to keep as a memory

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[1990AWD]

Even still on a 1g intake manifold. Wow!