FP 68HTA vs Blouch TD05H 20g/16g XT

[Talipse96]

Why not just buy the turbo as-is and pick up a knockoff Evo III turbine housing from eBay? Much simpler.

I already have a B16G housing. Plus if I could get it for cheaper it would be better for me to save the money. I can afford it, I just think it would be better to pay less than to try and sell a T3 housing and the internal WG after I installed my housing.

 

[Steve93Talon]

It's the same with an aggressive clip to the turbine and a heavy price tag.

The other difference from what I understand is the FP built 20g's use their proprietary 360 degree thrust bearing, whereas the $539 20g they're selling now is an off-the-shelf MHI unit with a standard bearing. This is HUGE for me, we ran the old FP 20g (same as the BR20g but bought straight from FP) to countless low 11 second passes, and the shaft felt the same as when it was new after years of abuse. I've seen tons of MHI TD05H turbos with standard bearings die from much less.

I have never fully understood why FP sells their 20G in a T3 housing. I agree with Justin and then you can just send him the turbo directly to get squared away.

They sell it in the T3 housing because it's a standard MHI item, thus why it's so cheap compared to something they would assemble, clip, and upgrade bearings on. This begs the question, has anyone disassembled the HTA68 to see if it uses the standard thrust bearing?

 

[JusMX141]

The other difference from what I understand is the FP built 20g's use their proprietary 360 degree thrust bearing, whereas the $539 20g they're selling now is an off-the-shelf MHI unit with a standard bearing. This is HUGE for me, we ran the old FP 20g (same as the BR20g but bought straight from FP) to countless low 11 second passes, and the shaft felt the same as when it was new after years of abuse. I've seen tons of MHI TD05H turbos with standard bearings die from much less.

All MHI TD05H/TD06 turbos have a 360* thrust plate- what you're referring to is the wider thrust collar and thrust plate with two oiling holes which I cannot confirm was used in all FP / Buschur 20G's. Most that I've seen had standard MHI 360* thrust plates.

Huge in terms of reliability at high boost, but how much is it worth in additional pricing? One 10mm socket and 3 minutes of time and any new MHI 20G could have an upgraded thrust plate with two oiling holes as well.

 

[gofer]

This begs the question, has anyone disassembled the HTA68 to see if it uses the standard thrust bearing?

Justin has, he can't say though, because if he does Aniel will have to kill him...

 

[dsm-onster]

If it does have the standard bearing, then it's apparently an easy upgrade. . . I should have done this with any of my overworked 14b turbos I had. I also should have fead from the OFH to get more oil volume as FP seams to recommend when abusing an MHI turbo.

 

[flyineagletsi]

I'm guessing the upgraded thrust bearing that you all are referring to is.....
http://www.melett.com/turbo-parts-catalogue/Mitsubishi/Mitsubishi_TD05-6_TE05.pdf

Part # on page 4, description as to why its needed on page 5.

 

[Talipse96]

So I just sent Forced Performance an email. I asked if they could sell their 20G without the T3 housing and internal WG. Hopefully I get a reply back today. fingers crossed!

Well, I got an email back today. Pretty much what I thought was going to happen after Corey said they wouldn't budge.

From Forced Performance: "We can sell the turbo without the turbine housing or wastegate, however this would not change the price of the turbo. If you have any other questions, please let us know."

I guess they have them all made sitting on a shelf or something. Oh well. I still might go with it.

 

[dsm-onster]

They are savvy. They know it's a good deal . . . It's business . . .

 

[gofer]

Its just like going to McDonalds and getting a double cheese burger with no onions, you aren't getting a discounted price on the burger because it comes with one less thing ingredient. Of course its on a whole different level but it makes sense...

 

[donniekak]

If it does have the standard bearing, then it's apparently an easy upgrade. . . I should have done this with any of my overworked 14b turbos I had. I also should have fead from the OFH to get more oil volume as FP seams to recommend when abusing an MHI turbo.

I run valvoline vr1 synthetic 20w-50 racing oil, and have been running mhi turbo's with stock internals, fed with the stock line, and no boost control for a long time. The only problems i've had are running the older, non-reverse thread 14b's, to a 25 psi spike. The compressor nuts fall off.

 

[dsm-onster]

Well, I've had problems. . . touche to you. But not to me I run rotella t synthetic 15w-40. Discount the oil or discount FP's suggestion.