Any thoughts on the FP TD05H 20g?

[brian9397gsx]

yes thats my thread im on the fence really for going t3 or 7cm with the info posted i may reconsider my 7cm idea and go with the 10cm. for the cost of a decent 02 housing with external gate set up. i do plan on pushing this thing

 

[brian9397gsx]

You should be able to see clearly now what i meant by needing to re-drill the wastegate actuator holes. Its not clear in the pics but the actuator arm needs bent over (think 14b and 16g actuator) and the adjuster needs to have the hole drilled to accept the flapper door arm.

 

[v8s_are_slow]

Thanks for the pics. Guess there won't be a lentching today. Lol. But I think I'm gonna pass on this turbo and probably just get a Evo 16g again since I can just bolt it on and go. Don't wanna deal with any headaches. May get it clipped. FP has it for $499 shipped WITH gaskets. Extra for the clipping of course. But the power isn't too far off and wonder if it'd be about the same with porting and clipping. Hmmm....

I've used the turbo before, unported and unclipped and ran 7.7 in the 1/8th so not scared to use it. Mike, have at it buddy

 

[brian9397gsx]

haha ok i have a long time so i can deal with the headaches it wont go till april. 16gs and 20gs are both great turbos i just chose the 20g this time last time i went 16g personal reasons i guess glad the pics helped i guess

 

[v8s_are_slow]

Yeah, they did. If the 20g were the last turbo I was wanting on my car, i'd stick with it. But I have another turbo sitting in the closet. Just need a temporary turbo to last for awhile. 16g will do what I need....for now.

 

[Ppayer38]

You know I am very curious of this turbo also as it is what I am looking into getting since I can seem to find a TD06 ot TD06H 20g. This 1 seems nice as it is an FP peice...

This may also help the OP out and others who read this thread(Not trying to thread jack) but what are the pros and cons of the 10cm T3 side and the 7cm MHI side as far as spool, cost, efficiency, and how it will compare to a E316g or a TD06H 20g in an application where it is not being bolted to a built motor with internals and all the goodies but something simple like stock block/internals and basic mods to support the turbo..

 

[v8s_are_slow]

Wondering what the difference is between this turbo and HRC's Super 20g (aside from cost) since they both have the T3 10cm turbing housing and all. Hmmm.....

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http://www.turbosystem.com/hahn/parts/s20g.htm

 

[beachbum2185]

i'd keep the t3 on there but i don't wanna dish out a ton of money on a manifold. but like someone else stated previously, i could just hold on to the t3 housing until i get ready to upgrade manifolds.

 

[99TALONTSI]

Forced Performance Turbochargers: FP 68HTA Turbocharger for DSM

Stock appearing (14b,16g) and flows enough to make almost 500hp... Done deal IMO

 

[99gst_racer]

i'd keep the t3 on there but i don't wanna dish out a ton of money on a manifold. but like someone else stated previously, i could just hold on to the t3 housing until i get ready to upgrade manifolds.

Or just get the $50 adapter to use with a Mitsu manifold.

A local buddy of mine is running a journal bearing 35r on a stock 2G manifold using one of those adapters and he's making some killer power with it. Running 10.80's @ 140 mph.

 

[beachbum2185]

Forced Performance Turbochargers: FP 68HTA Turbocharger for DSM

Stock appearing (14b,16g) and flows enough to make almost 500hp... Done deal IMO

i'm not looking to throw down almost $1k for a turbo. hell i only paid $1k for the car.

thanks 99gst_racer. i was actually gonna ask you if using the manifold adapter would actually restrict a lot of the airflow. i'm not looking to make a ton of power, but i dont want the airflow to get jacked up with the adapter. i think i'll use the adapter and save myself the money. are there any other gasket i would need to use for manifold to flange? im assuming i would use a dsm mani to flange and t3 flange to turbo?

 

[brian9397gsx]

Unless you wanna use an external gate then the adaptor is not the way to go. This is the boat im in looking for a decent priced t3 mani that isnt a pos. Im looking into the erl now then i have to purchase the correct o2 housing around 700 total to run it in t3 (of course theres cheaper i may go with an ebay cheapo for a while) i could go 7cm with o2 housing external wastegate for around 200 but with im reading i can only expect 16g levels in power and i wont be able take full advantage of the 20g wheel. Am I correct t3 10cm housing the way to go if i want to get the most outta this? i have all supporting mods

 

[99gst_racer]

Unless you wanna use an external gate then the adaptor is not the way to go.

Care to elaborate?

 

[69_luv]

I am so confused now, I have been reading a bunch of threads, got some PM's back from Justin, and now the 20g seems like not the way to go??? The FP20g needs a different hotside to run on 2gmani, but swapping out the housing and staying with t3 requires a new manifold.....

Would the e316g at 22psi be similar in power to the 20g at 17psi (I noticed that the actuator for the internal gated had settings for 10-17psi)?

 

[brian9397gsx]

Care to elaborate?

If your using a stock mani (im using an evo 3) and you use the adaptor and run the t3 10 cm housing you have to go internal gate unless you modify the stock mani. Look at the exhaust housing of the 10cm housing the wastegate hole is plugged and in the outlet it is undivided so doing an external off the o2 housing is gonna be hard, sure it could be done but i dont see it worth it. Unless you have a solution i would appreciate it

 

[99gst_racer]

The wastegate hole isn't plugged. I know the pictures on the previous page don't show it too well, but the wastegated exhaust re-enters the exhaust stream inside of the housing.

There's a path here when I colored in red:

 

[brian9397gsx]

Yes your exactly correct so in order to use that 10cm housing with external gate youd have to go off the mani instead of the o2 housing. You can run the adaptor on stock mani if you wanna stay with the internal gate which I do not. So I will be needing a new mani with the external gate provision on it to run the 10 cm and weld the internal gate closed.

I wonder is the 10cm housing gonna give enough of a benefit to even go through the trouble? can I max this thing out in a 7cm housing? cause that would be alot cheaper proposition

i meant that hole was plugged i reread my post it wasnt clear this would be so much easier if the housing had a divided wastegate port.

 

[99gst_racer]

Yes your exactly correct so in order to use that 10cm housing with external gate youd have to go off the mani instead of the o2 housing.

Correct. Unless you want to get crafty with modifying that 10cm turbine housing.

You can run the adaptor on stock mani if you wanna stay with the internal gate.

Correct. Your previous post contradicted this post though. That's the only reason I was asking.

With a little bit of crafty mounting of the actuator, you can run the 10cm housing with the adapter and still retain the internal wastegate.

So I will be needing a new mani with the external gate provision on it to run the 10 cm and weld the internal gate closed.

You could always flange the stock 2G manifold for a gate if you're on a budget. PIC

I wonder is the 10cm housing gonna give enough of a benefit to even go through the trouble? can I max this thing out in a 7cm housing? cause that would be alot cheaper proposition

I'm not sure when the 7cm housing becomes a restriction.

For my compound set-up the 7cm housing was a huge restriction at 40+ psi boost, so the 10cm housing is the only option for me if I want to stay with a quick-spooling td05 turbine.

 

[brian9397gsx]

Ok were on the same page now i wanna avoid internal gating, now modding the stock manifold would do. I have some piping and flanges how well does this hold up? cause that may be the way to go on a budget. I always heard that welding on cast is a pain and does not last, is it just as simple as finding a capable welder.

im willing to send the stuff out if there is a place i can ship it to to do the work or someone pm me if anyone is interested

 

[99gst_racer]

Ok were on the same page now i wanna avoid internal gating, now modding the stock manifold would do. I have some piping and flanges how well does this hold up? cause that may be the way to go on a budget. I always heard that welding on cast is a pain and does not last, is it just as simple as finding a capable welder.

im willing to send the stuff out if there is a place i can ship it to to do the work or someone pm me if anyone is interested

Welding to cast iron is a PITA, but cast steel welds great. They're two completely different animals, but they're commonly confused.

The one in the picture is my old manifold. SBR did the welding back when Cragger worked there. It held up great for the 1-2 years that I used it. And as far as I know, it held up great for the next owner as well.

 

[brian9397gsx]

Thanks for the info i may just stick it in the 7cm housing and wait till next year to go t3 when more mone presents itself. I have many other things to worry about in the mean time as the car is in pieces in the garage.

 

[beachbum2185]

the HAFE manifold already has the flange for a 38mm wastegate. it's a cast manifold that looks a lot like stock, but i believe the runners are a lot bigger though. it's a nice manifold, and you can probably get one on ebay for cheap. i think NEW they are like $275 from HAFE. it would be worth looking into.

 

[polarmoment]

There is an 8cm² TD05h version of the T3 housing as well that might be a good compromise between the two. The only issue is finding one.

Maybe someone who is better at finding things than I am knows where to get one. I've been looking for one for a while, but no luck. My problem is that I'm more or less stuck with the T3/syty housing setup, but I'd like to run a TD05h turbine (currently a TD06/8cm² housing). It's not what I'd call "laggy" but better response would be a good thing, and I'm on E85 so there's no real issue with needing more boost to get the same power.

Part number for the 8cm housing is 78-14200. The only application I know of for sure that it was used on was the HKS 16g kit for the 3SGTE. The part number suggests it's from the same casting lot as the 10cm² housings, since all the TD06 housings begin with 79-1xxxx. I've even considered machining an insert out of inconel to allow the 05 wheel to fit in an 06 housing, since those are readily available.

Anyone know how the 20g/TD05h-10cm² spools relative to the 20g/TD06-8cm²? (does anyone even use the latter on DSMs?) I see 20psi by 3500rpm on the TD06.

It's also possible to open up the wastegate section of the housing for better flow too if using the internal gate:

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The syty guys report pretty noticeable gains, though it requires a new DP flange and some fab work.

 

[crazyracerz42]

why is thera metal piece welder over the flaper?

 

[99gst_racer]

why is thera metal piece welder over the flaper?

That's not the flapper that is welded there. That's the access port to get to the flapper. Which is exactly what the pictures above your post show.