10.3 on Fp68 HTA 16G

[Migsubishi]

Reversion on the exhaust side has been reduced by the head port mouth being smaller than the inlet of the manifold port, correct? That's my speculation.

"my e98" . . . do you mean e98 releases more energy than e85, or do you have a special e98 ? . . .

e98 is almost 100% ethanol where as e85 is cut with 15% gasoline and not 93 either, This gives it a weaker octane rating. Running E98-E100 Is an amazing fuel as not only does it give you a 120 octane rating but cools the charge entering the cylinder before ignition which also releases power.

 

[2slow4utsi]

Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought ER said themselves that they frown upon a 2.3 and don't like building them either...

 

[dsm-onster]

e98 is almost 100% ethanol where as e85 is cut with 15% gasoline and not 93 either, This gives it a weaker octane rating. Running E98-E100 Is an amazing fuel as not only does it give you a 120 octane rating but cools the charge entering the cylinder before ignition which also releases power.

So e85 cools the CC at most 15% less (Assuming the gasoline in the mix removes zero heat).

Lucas, does Q make more power than e85 or more power than e98.

Also I'm nearly done my hot pipe build (much easier ). Would e85 be a bad thing with no intercooler and methanol. Would e98 be the only way to go? Does e98 cool that much better?

 

[Migsubishi]

So e85 cools the CC at most 15% less (Assuming the gasoline in the mix removes zero heat).

Lucas, does Q make more power than e85 or more power than e98.

Also I'm nearly done my hot pipe build (much easier ). Would e85 be a bad thing with no intercooler and methanol. Would e98 be the only way to go? Does e98 cool that much better?

It would be correct to assume that e85 would cool less... Does not a bigger ac unit mean more cooling

I'm not Lucas, but if you don't mind I can answer, Q makes more power than e85, you can figure that out in the octane ratings alone. It however does not make more power than E98... Also, yes E98 cools that much better...

 

[LucasEnglish]

-Q is better then e85 like stated but I feel its about the same E98. My e98 is noting special just better then E85.

-Intake porting is the most dangerous to paly with. Evo head is 1/2 the size of a 1g and makes better power and if you look at a evo X head its even smaller then a EVO and makes even better power yet per pound.

-In the past I have not been a stroker fan due to the fact that cranks break and the better spool VS loss of rev does not match up the best. This car has a 6 Bolt Eagle crank and the 7 bolt 2.4 cranks seem stronger then the old 6 bolt ones. Also this combo needs the bigger motor to work right. Really makes a huge difference when trying to spool up on a Auto with out N20.

 

[dsm-onster]

-Q is better then e85 like stated but I feel its about the same E98. My e98 is noting special just better then E85.

Same as in it makes as much power with the same setup/tune? Or same as in you can run more compression and more aggressive tuning to net results on par with Q?

Forgive the dumb questions. I've never run a hot pipe car over 300whp (GN) and I want to make sure I know what I'm facing with whichever fuel I chose: easy to get e85, harder to get e98, or fun to use Q

 

[forcefed86]

Same as in it makes as much power with the same setup/tune? Or same as in you can run more compression and more aggressive tuning to net results on par with Q?

Forgive the dumb questions. I've never run a hot pipe car over 300whp (GN) and I want to make sure I know what I'm facing with whichever fuel I chose: easy to get e85, harder to get e98, or fun to use Q

Alcohol based fuel will work better with a hot air car hands down. Another option would be mixing your own. Since e85 is mixed with 87 octane you can buy a drum of e98 and mix your own fuel with e98 and 91 octane. Lots of hot rodders are doing it locally here with great results with a 50/50 mix. Basically the same octane as e85 without the huge fuel system requirements. A drum lasts quite a while this way!

 

[dsm-onster]

How can 93octane premium gasoline + 120 octane ethanol (50/50 mix) equal the 105/110 octane that e85 has?

 

[habitatguy187]

How can 93octane premium gasoline + 120 octane ethanol (50/50 mix) equal the 105/110 octane that e85 has?

120-93 = 27.
27/2 = 13.5
93+13.5 = 106.5, or 120-13.5 = 106.5


Before I switched to full e85 I was running a strong mix of e85 and 93 with surprisingly good results.

 

[dsm-onster]

BAH! math works out when you actually do it on paper instead of your head. Problem about 50/50 mixes is that now you HAVE to use less fuel to cool the cylinder. I want more. I will not be running an intercooler. . .

 

[2slow4utsi]

-Q is better then e85 like stated but I feel its about the same E98. My e98 is noting special just better then E85.

-Intake porting is the most dangerous to paly with. Evo head is 1/2 the size of a 1g and makes better power and if you look at a evo X head its even smaller then a EVO and makes even better power yet per pound.

-In the past I have not been a stroker fan due to the fact that cranks break and the better spool VS loss of rev does not match up the best. This car has a 6 Bolt Eagle crank and the 7 bolt 2.4 cranks seem stronger then the old 6 bolt ones. Also this combo needs the bigger motor to work right. Really makes a huge difference when trying to spool up on a Auto with out N20.

Thanks for the reply I was just wondering why you were running an engine you don't necessarily "like" for lack of better words I guess. It does however net 15% more displacement which isn't a bad thing.

 

[LucasEnglish]

Well on a non intercooler setup e98 hands down would win but with a good intercooler e98 has some cooling but Q has oxygen added so on a normal setup Q VS E98 is very close. Like I said we have switched 2 cars back to Q due to not wanting to dump $1000 in the fuel system. Even though by now they could have paid for there fuel system in money spent on Q16.

 

[dsm-onster]

How would e85 rate; with no intercooler & plenty of meth? I'm sure one couldn't get away with the most aggresive tuning and higher compression that one could run with e98. But, would a non-intercooled with plenty of meth injection nozzle be sillyness? Lower octane but still close to the cooling properties of pure ethanol? I don't have any e98 anywhere remotely close to where I race, this is why I ask.

 

[forcefed86]

How would e85 rate; no intercooler, plenty of meth? I'm sure one couldn't get away with the most aggresive tuning and higher compression that one could run with e98. But, would a non-intercooled with plenty of meth injection nozzle be sillyness? Lower octane but still close to the cooling properties of pure ethanol? I don't have any e98 anywhere remotely close to where I race, this is why I ask.

It would work fine, I ran e30 with 100% meth and an IC. Was good for a 35psi spike on my e316g. Settling to 25 by redline. I found out this is what took out my motor as well though when my fuel pump failed. Just like what happened to lucas's non-intercooled motor.

I bought a denso supra pump for this go around. (switched from a walbro 255hp). Going with e85 as well. I'll get my low boost all tuned in add a boost activated bosch 44 inline when I ready to turn up the boost to 35 again. Also adding a fuel pressure safety switch to my alky kit. I suggest anyone running more than 5% of there total fueling do this as well.

 

[LucasEnglish]

With enough Meth injection you can do about anything you want. 93 oct and Meth will work great. In 2004 my talon used to run 10.8@133 on 92 oct and meth.

All I can say is with meth is its great when it working right but depending on your Dependece on it when you to something wrong things break very fast.

 

[dsm-onster]

I gatcha . . . Thank you for sharing/responding!

 

[turbo addict]

Are there any issues with mixing leaded and or oxygenated fuels with e98? Or basically, are there problems with mixing with c16 or Q16 and e98 to get (race e85)??
thanks.

 

[forcefed86]

Are there any issues with mixing leaded and or oxygenated fuels with e98? Or basically, are there problems with mixing with c16 or Q16 and e98 to get (race e85)??
thanks.

Mixing alcohol based fuels and race fuels can actually decrease the knock threshold of the fuel making it more prone to detonation. Better to use one or the other IMO.

 

[Vanish70]

This may seem like a stupid question, but has anyone tried using anti-lag while staging their auto at the line? I'm about to convert to auto and I'm looking for alternatives to using NOS to spool at the line. The car has a 2.0 in it with a very very tired PTE SCM6152E bolt-on turbo. I run MegaSquirt engine management, so doing a two-step wouldn't be difficult for me.

 

[turbotalon1g]

^Holy thread Jack batman! Are there any mods here?

ANywho, any more updates with teh car?

 

[JDog_27]

WOW that is impressive Lucas! Good run with your wife behind the wheel!

I've been contemplating upgrading my Small 16G with the FP68 HTA. It's nice to see someone with some actual track times with this turbo. Curious as to what kind of performance the FP68 HTA would do on pump with HKS 272 and a couple other supporting mods...I think this is the route I may go with after seeing what your shop did with it.

Nice job

 

[Vanish70]

^Holy thread Jack batman! Are there any mods here?

I thought it was an honest question that pertained to what was being discussed in the thread. Sorry you feel that way.

My question still stands...

 

[Mike Marnik]

I thought it was an honest question that pertained to what was being discussed in the thread. Sorry you feel that way.

My question still stands...

I also think it was a legitimate question pertaining to the thread and was also wondering the same thing.

I'll answer from my experience, but I also want to know what the more experienced auto guys are running as, I only got into autos in March. I am running antilag starting at 3000 rpm any lower and it just bogs it, and it wont stall up. I im still experimenting with it, and need to turn the fuel enrichment down because I think its loading up with too much fuel, and I think I need to turn the speed cut off down also. Before using antilag it would take 10-12 secconds to get 16psi after antilag i can get 20psi in 6-8 secconds. Im still playing with it, and also waiting on my new turbo (FP68HTA) since my big 16g took a crap. So it will be a week and a half before I can play with it more and in two week I will get some track results.

 

[LucasEnglish]

No cant really use anti lag since it takes real hp to stall up a car ware as Anti lag makes no HP while you are on it. So as soon as you hit it the motor will stop making power and just die out. Also using VSS is bad on our AEM Drag car we have the 2 step off the break pedal. You really need to launch the Auto on the whip. If your converter can stall high enough then you can try revlimiters to get a more controlled launch. For most cars the 2g trans with a billet converter is the only one that will stall high enough for you to use relimters for control.

For a turbo like that on a 2.0 you will need around a 40-60 shot of N20 to get the car up on the Converter.

I can imagine trying to use Magasquert with computres out there like DSM link. Magasquert is ok for things that have lame computers like 87 Turbo toyota trucks.

This may seem like a stupid question, but has anyone tried using anti-lag while staging their auto at the line? I'm about to convert to auto and I'm looking for alternatives to using NOS to spool at the line. The car has a 2.0 in it with a very very tired PTE SCM6152E bolt-on turbo. I run MegaSquirt engine management, so doing a two-step wouldn't be difficult for me.

 

[LucasEnglish]

Just went 10.1 sat night. Will have the slip up later this week.

Also got a new best MPH a few weeks back. Due to the Style of event I was unable to try harder on the Launch in fear of red lighting. Waiting close to 4 sec bracket racing on a pro tree is kinda of hard. Did win this class at this event which was cool.

Crazy thing is this car has now been on the same trans for 3 seasons.

YouTube - Team ER 2010 West Coast Shoot out new AWD Auto ET & MPH record