Holset Turbos, PART 4

[Slippi84]

I really don't think those wheels are true billet. You all realize the complexity to CNC a compressor wheel? At $100/hr, I can tell you it'd take ALOT more than an hour to make one.

I'd bet it's merely the machining marks/etc, from the mold to produce them. Might be one particular part# wheel that the mold wasn't finished as nice as typical and you can see the marks in the mold.

Are you implying that teh wheels in the holsets are true billet or just in the hx40?

 

[Morphius]

Are you implying that teh wheels in the holsets are true billet or just in the hx40?

I'm saying none of them are. It's likely just the finish on the mold for a particular part# wheel that you all continue to see.

 

[Slippi84]

I'm saying none of them are. It's likely just the finish on the mold for a particular part# wheel that you all continue to see.

Hmm. I can't say one way or the other but I will say this, my hx52 blade is lighter and spins easier than my hx40 which was obviously a smaller compressor wheel.

 

[ihatedsms]

Can someone find me a hx40 pro for less then 600$ And what t4 housing do they make for it. I really dont feel like reading threw a million pages. . I want a full t4. And already have a revhard manifold.

The hx52 is way to big for my setup or i would run one of those.

Is my best bet to buy a used one for cheap and rebuild it or can i find one in good shape or new for 600$ Whats the best places to get one used. And or new for cheap.


Im on a budget thats why i build dsms.

 

[jkimes]

Which one of these is the correct part number for an hx40w with a 60mm inducer and a 19cm hotside with preferably a billet wheel?

3538852

3591017

3591023

3536404

3537568

3538226

3538696

3538852

3591047

3592503

3594801

3594995

3595813

3596087

3596432

3597082

3597599

3597603

3597809

3597826

3599106

3599108

3800379

3800406

3800927

3800928

3802650

3802701

3802705

3802786

3802853

3802859

3802896

3802897

4025038

4025041

4025179

4025181

4025307

4025308

4025398

4025399

4036888

4037508

4037510

4038651

4039906

4039907

4039912

4039914

4039919

4040246

4042711

4046285

4089124

4089333

4089334

4089336

4089403

4089404

 

[Slippi84]

Can someone find me a hx40 pro for less then 600$ And what t4 housing do they make for it. I really dont feel like reading threw a million pages. . I want a full t4. And already have a revhard manifold.

The hx52 is way to big for my setup or i would run one of those.

Is my best bet to buy a used one for cheap and rebuild it or can i find one in good shape or new for 600$ Whats the best places to get one used. And or new for cheap.


Im on a budget thats why i build dsms.

I will have to take time and go back and find my auction so I can suggest the seller I got mine off of cause mine was the 60mm version(pro) and was NEW

 

[Slippi84]

jengs80 is his seller name finally found it

 

[420a-t]

Has anyone heard of or used an internal wastegate with their Holset? I'm thinking of buying this The Turbo Trader What do y'all think? I was told it was good up to 30psi.

 

[dsm-onster]

Can someone find me a hx40 pro for less then 600$ And what t4 housing do they make for it. I really dont feel like reading threw a million pages. . I want a full t4. And already have a revhard manifold.

The hx52 is way to big for my setup or i would run one of those.

Is my best bet to buy a used one for cheap and rebuild it or can i find one in good shape or new for 600$ Whats the best places to get one used. And or new for cheap.


Im on a budget thats why i build dsms.

Am I being pi$$y or is this annoying??? Why bump the thread to get us to find you a turbo? It will just increase the demand. . . Sorry. But this really is a 'lazy' post.

It's a holset. If you're looking at buying one, you're used to researching to find the proper turbo for your application and you're willing to read a paige or two to draw the conclusion that you have to get these turbos off of diesel motors and you have to look on ebay, and/or diesel forum classifieds. Or you can source them from any place any other diesel guyh sources his turbo.

420a-t, I think you really should consider an external gate. Ebay external gates are SO affordable and they work just like name brand. There's no holset worth swapping to that is not in the 20g territory. And we all know an internally gated 20g has certain issues. It will be better for you and your build. It will be more trustworthy and less headache will lead to a better experience with the process.

 

[Slippi84]

Am I being pi$$y or is this annoying??? Why bump the thread to get us to find you a turbo? It will just increase the demand. . . Sorry. But this really is a 'lazy' post.

It's a holset. If you're looking at buying one, you're used to researching to find the proper turbo for your application and you're willing to read a page or two to draw the conclusion that you have to get these turbos off of diesel motors and you have to look on ebay, and/or diesel forum classifieds. Or you can source them from any place any other diesel guyh sources his turbo.

420a-t, I think you really should consider an external gate. Ebay external gates are SO affordable and they work just like name brand. There's no holset worth swapping to that is not in the 20g territory. And we all know an internally gated 20g has certain issues. It will be better for you and your build. It will be more trustworthy and less headache will lead to a better experience with the process.

I agree but you know what the problem with the holset threads is. A thread is suposed to be informative and help people find information quicker. While us who have been posting on it for atleast a section are familiar with it if your new to it it's intimidating and frustrating. We have repeat info and some information that has changed since even a section ago. If I were a moderator I would spend a day divide the holset threads into sections not by when stuff was posted but into sub topics. One for like wastegate questions and info one for performance questions and info and another for like hotsides and what not. I'm getting ready to go out but that's what I"m gonna do when I get home start a thread on where to get holset turbos and how much to pay and what to look for. Monster since your the man I hope you can not be annoyed enough to help out along with everyone else that bought a holset or two and let people know where to get them

 

[ihatedsms]

Am I being pi$$y or is this annoying??? Why bump the thread to get us to find you a turbo? It will just increase the demand. . . Sorry. But this really is a 'lazy' post.

It's a holset. If you're looking at buying one, you're used to researching to find the proper turbo for your application and you're willing to read a paige or two to draw the conclusion that you have to get these turbos off of diesel motors and you have to look on ebay, and/or diesel forum classifieds. Or you can source them from any place any other diesel guyh sources his turbo.

420a-t, I think you really should consider an external gate. Ebay external gates are SO affordable and they work just like name brand. There's no holset worth swapping to that is not in the 20g territory. And we all know an internally gated 20g has certain issues. It will be better for you and your build. It will be more trustworthy and less headache will lead to a better experience with the process.

Yea there are 4 diffrent threads, and pages apon pages. Im looking for direct information. These threads are made for to INFORM and HELP others. And i have read threw them and did not find what i was looking for. Yea i know where i can find them and what they come off of, But i was just wondering the best place to get them and if buying them used for cheap and rebuilding them is the way to go or not.

You have no idea who i am, and for you to call me lazy because im asking people for general information on a turbo that is new to me in ridiculous. Drop your ego. I dont need that crap.

Now is there anyone out there that would like to HELP out a fellow dsmer? Slippi has pointed me in the right direction to find what im looking for. Thank you, I will try to find his ebay store.

 

[biglady112]

I have been watching from the sidelines for a bit. What is everyone's obsession with having a billet wheel? I have one and it is no big deal to me. What the material is and how it is made shouldn't be all that people look for. Just 18 months ago there was nothing out there with these wheels. I think the guys even half way looking into these things and just asking to get their jollies off, see some "new" technology out there and have to have it. For the last few pages I think these guys are demanding too much.

If you were to break it down I am sure the differences in turbine wheels are miniscule on a grand scale. And the compressors are not so drastically different that most guys poking around in this thread can even use these things to their full potential.

Just be thankful that we as a community have found a wonderful alternative to the monotonous norm of years past. I started thinking outside the box with my car. Asian Warner, Borg Warner and Holset have been in OEM applications longer than I have been alive. And with the hundreds of thousands of semi-trucks, tractors, boats, airplanes and what not out there, I saw no reason not to look into the heav duty diesel market for my new turbo.

Steven

 

[talon20g]

Can someone find me a hx40 pro for less then 600$ And what t4 housing do they make for it. I really dont feel like reading threw a million pages. . I want a full t4. And already have a revhard manifold.

The hx52 is way to big for my setup or i would run one of those.

Is my best bet to buy a used one for cheap and rebuild it or can i find one in good shape or new for 600$ Whats the best places to get one used. And or new for cheap.


Im on a budget thats why i build dsms.

In all honesty it is lazy and the questions you asked have been answered several times. Not trying to come across as a D*** but dsm-onster have every right to be frustrated. Do a little searching.
But I'm not the one to be saying much as I have done the same thing before.

 

[dsm-onster]

The best place to get them is a place that has them. . . What's so hard to understand? Is one place going to have a used holset that blows up, while the other doesnt? They are used turbos? Get a used head. Tell us how you got it. Then tell us how to get a used turbo. . . I suggest just using ebay. Or a forum's classified section. Why did I have to say that?

They are ALL holsets and they are ALL made at the same level of quality. You did not ask a general question. You asked where to get a holset turbo? All the threads say the same thing. I am sorry we havn't been clearer. And Slippi, you're right. I guess I'll have to take my time and write up an article. Nothing against you. You try to help even when it's a waste for you. You can spend your time better elsewhere. You have a great build ahead of you. I'm trying to keep the thread informative. It won't be if it ends up like the honda holset thread (holset users unite) with 100000000 questions about spool speed and which vendor sells these turbos. If you can't wait for my article, I'll say it again: ebay or a diesel classified, or a junkyard with diesel motors. They are everywhere. In fact, chances are the first turbocharged vehicle you e'er rode in has a holset snail bigger than you'd ever know what to do with on your dsm. I don't hate you at all. I just am nipping this in the bud, bud. You know where to get a holset. It's up to you to determine the deal and the condition for use and the cost to install. . . This is spoonfeeding. This is the same as asking where the Flava Billit wheel deal is for these holsets. You holset users are bright and innovative: hence a truck turbo (biglady112 ). Be innovative enough to find a common part. Or don't buy a turbo not meant for your car.

Look, I'm off my soap box. Now we know where to get a holset. The question is why. DSM culture demands thousands of cases of documented proof, or one run by shep, brown, or FPs word for it . Rau doesn't run a garrett but that doesnt count. It's not a holset. So back on topic of how the he!! an hx35 can flow 60 lb/min and spool faster than my 18g, why the bep housing doesn't restrict the flow of a hx40, and what wild a$$ dsmer will run an hx52 next. Come on guys. Everyone on the internet is looking at these threads. Because we've been informative and innovative. Much of the info we've gotten hasn't even been from DSM owners. Just guys who know this thread to be a good source and have more data to supply.

. . . 420a-t, man I'm really worried you might get an internal gate!!! The bolt on bep housing is $50 less without one. It still comes with the hole for an o2housing mounted WG. This iis a great opportunity to have a gate that yoiu KNOW feeds off of all the runners, and you can fab up an o2 mounted gate for not much at all if you can remotely use a welder, or have a decent welding machine that will make you look good. A simple wirefeed welder, if you have one, is plenty, this is nothing but exhaust pipe welding. If you don't trust your welds, then a housing for an o2 mounted gate can be had for under 300, ebay gate for under $75 and you're rock solid for what ever a 20g 50-trim h1c or bigger can throw at you.

 

[Slippi84]

I hear you guys and your right I could spend my time doing other stuff like with my build but I like helping out the other guys on here....not to mention Ihatedsms will be the one hooking me up with body work and a fuel cell so you have to understand if I feel obligated for defending the guy you guys think is lazy when in fact if you search his threads the guy has more initiative then 95% of the people on this site

 

[420a-t]

Nice. Thanks for the info, Matt. I PM'ed you about your external ebay wastegate, from boommbop shop...what spring do they come with? I have the .55 bolt on housing with my stock mitsu wastegate fabbed up, but I can't get over 23psi...

After that good info and perspective, I'm going external. I bought one of those cheap tubular o2 housings off ebay so I can fab up a 38mm wastegate onto it, and I'll go foreward with those plans. I already have my nitrous setup too and I'm going for low 11's or bust next season, so I guess the "do it once, do it right" saying takes an effect on me now...

Thanks

 

[turbotalon1g]

Looks like a lot of laziness and frustration.

I just want to say thank you for all the info provided by all parties.

Thanks to dsm-monster, He has been giving me some advice via PM, great guy.

 

[95tzlgst]

Im going to have to jump on the bandwagon and say thanks also to slippi and dsm-onster. But I have a new project and I have no idea when I am going to be able to test out the hx35 in the t3.70 housing.

 

[Slippi84]

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/turbo-system-tech/312186-holset-part-thread-only.html

Morphius if you could throw the link in with the links to the other threads that you put at the beginning and end of the holset threads that would be awesome so we can keep these threads going with the good stuff not part number stuff.

 

[JWoodley]

Whats the general consensus on appropriate wastegate size? Anyone have any control issues with the 38mm gates?

 

[turbotalon1g]

I plan on running an internal gate on a BEP bolt-on housed HX35, why?
Cause i don't plan on plugging it in.
Also a target of 35 or 40 psi isn't out of the question with this turbo.

 

[420a-t]

I plan on running an internal gate on a BEP bolt-on housed HX35, why?
Cause i don't plan on plugging it in.
Also a target of 35 or 40 psi isn't out of the question with this turbo.

Then why wouldn't you just go external and buy a larger spring or double them up so you don't always have to run the same amount if that's the only reason?

 

[dsm-onster]

I hear you guys and your right I could spend my time doing other stuff like with my build but I like helping out the other guys on here....not to mention Ihatedsms will be the one hooking me up with body work and a fuel cell so you have to understand if I feel obligated for defending the guy you guys think is lazy when in fact if you search his threads the guy has more initiative then 95% of the people on this site

You're his friend. He should know where to get a holset. You're not helping someone by telling them where you get a turbo on the forum when you've told them where to get these turbos in person. Didn't you tell him in person, since he's doing body work for you??? You're a bright guy. Please don't let this kind of posting drag on.

 

[dsm-onster]

Nice. Thanks for the info, Matt. I PM'ed you about your external ebay wastegate, from boommbop shop...what spring do they come with? I have the .55 bolt on housing with my stock mitsu wastegate fabbed up, but I can't get over 23psi...

After that good info and perspective, I'm going external. I bought one of those cheap tubular o2 housings off ebay so I can fab up a 38mm wastegate onto it, and I'll go foreward with those plans. I already have my nitrous setup too and I'm going for low 11's or bust next season, so I guess the "do it once, do it right" saying takes an effect on me now...

Thanks

They come with a spring that will be difficult for you to get any more boost than at which your internal gate has been maxing out. If you just use the inner port (second port), I could only get about 20-22 psi with the sping provided. So I rigged this system up:

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Start by just using the second boot valve. Set to 15-16psi (turn counter-clock-wise to raise boost). Then add the second valve and dial in your 22+ psi boost. If you want lower, just run off the inner chamber (second port).

Either you can get a heftier spring or you can run this and never need a spring upgrade again. . . They didn't make the second port on an external gate for nothing.

 

[420a-t]

thanks for the pic. So where can I get one of those electronic air controllers, or is it 2 MBC's? And if I get any knockoff eBay wastegates do the tial springs fit fine in them (yours)? I hope we can see what this h1e turbo can do soon!