Bigger stronger W5M33 gears?

[habitatguy187]

Weird ass deposit window. Why in the world would they do that?

 

[DreamChaser7]

Weird ass deposit window. Why in the world would they do that?

From what I read they were extending it as there was an issue with the website especially in the mobile format. I believe once they got that straightened out they opened it back up at not as much of a discount for anyone who wanted to get it but didn’t have it all up front with a 25% deposit. It was 750 less than retail I think. Maybe to give people a chance that couldn’t get it to work and they said to get a better idea of demand basically. Don’t take my word for gospel but pretty sure that’s what I read and was the gist of it.

 

[We're on Boost]

I'm unclear if Neat is moving forward with this or not.. seems they extended the deadline with this new deposit process but that has now ended.. any update from the FB group if they got the order numbers they were looking for and are moving forward?

As near as I can tell from the stuff on the members only page, the answer is Yes.
It looks like this - your question asked by Nate See and answered by Neat Gearboxes.
6d, this must have been on about Dec 13:

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[DSSA]

We all know Kurt can be a d!ck about things. Like most things its not what you say but how you say it.

Wow.

I've seen Kurt be "abrasive and direct", but haven't seen him really be a "dick" about things. Yes, he and Bobby seem to rub each other the wrong way, and I've seen merits on both sides....AND, I like both. I've spoken to both of them at length over the years, and don't find issue with either. I've got a bit of experience in the realms both work in, and I can see the back-and-forth at times. One calling out the other, even if it's somewhat adversarial, often leads up to better parts at the consumer level.

I mean, seriously....you all are taking sides on this, while others sit there and defend another guy who has been like the plague on the backside of the industry just because he's "old school".

Let Kurt and Bobby argue. They're often right to do so as they hash out the the intricate things that actually matter as opposed to turning on everyone else in the industry, soley for their own gain/ego as some in the past have done.

 

[habitatguy187]

Is NEAT even on this forum? This Facebook shit is killing me

 

[1990TSIAWDTALON]

Yeah we need them to get on HERE so the tough questions can be analyzed and responded to. I totally would be good with that.

 

[DreamChaser7]

Me too. Obligated for a lot of money now and don’t have a fecesbook account and don’t want one.

 

[Christo]

Neat posted a Facebook update. Sportsync gear set is a go, Facebook page will remain open with some updates. Made it sound like most communication and updates will be through email for people who purchased or put a deposit down.

It would be great if they got on here as well.

 

[fourgsixty3]

Screenshot of the post on crapbook.

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[1cleangsx]

Does anyone wanna make a guess what the torque rating for this gearset would be? That’s what I’m dying to know, as an alternative to a PPG gearset for street car guys with 500ft/lbs I’m hoping this will be it.

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Some of us are on “borrowed time”

 

[1990TSIAWDTALON]

Oh Jeremy, you should just sell me that car..........we know you photoshoped the numbers in
Nice Numbers!!!

 

[1cleangsx]

Shoot Marty I bet your RED Eagle will be right there soon enough

 

[95REGF150]

Does anyone wanna make a guess what the torque rating for this gearset would be? That’s what I’m dying to know, as an alternative to a PPG gearset for street car guys with 500ft/lbs I’m hoping this will be it.

This is what Neat posted in the FAQ on this subject on the FB group.

How much power and torque will the gears handle?
This question is inevitable, but very difficult to answer. The truth is that there are so many variables to the equation that no objective answer can be made. We have customers that break 4th gear with stock power in rally cars, while others have OEM gearboxes survive for years behind highly modified engines.

What I can say is: i. the 4th gear will be about 30% wider than the stock gear; ii. the material we use (9310) will be seriously tougher than the OEM material; iii. the helix angle will be greatly reduced, lowering thrust loading; and iv. the gears will be better supported with a more rigid housing. All of this adds up to a far stronger unit than the OEM 4th gear - my guess is at least 70% stronger. So if you could safely run 450Nm of torque before, it is likely to hold 765Nm now.

765 Nm is 564 Ft-Lbs so pretty much perfect for us street guys. Goes without saying though that until these sets are tested there is no way to verify this. Some of us that bought are just going to have to run them hard and find out.

 

[1cleangsx]

I bet most would agree street car or not if you want the most for strength/longevity to still go PPG, but this gearset would be quieter, easier to drive around town, and possibly supply our trans builders with better parts to complete oem rebuilds with?

 

[92AWDHX40]

That would be nice more parts for our cars.

 

[96dsmftw]

This is what Neat posted in the FAQ on this subject on the FB group.



765 Nm is 564 Ft-Lbs so pretty much perfect for us street guys. Goes without saying though that until these sets are tested there is no way to verify this. Some of us that bought are just going to have to run them hard and find out.

I thought Neat said somewhere they already have some test cars lined up when the time comes, before the production run. Hopefully that will give us a decent ballpark

 

[92AWDHX40]

That would be some good news.

 

[95REGF150]

I bet most would agree street car or not if you want the most for strength/longevity to still go PPG, but this gearset would be quieter, easier to drive around town, and possibly supply our trans builders with better parts to complete oem rebuilds with?

Well since many of the key OEM parts are now gone I think the traditional rebuild options are going to become less and less possible as time goes on. At least that's the impression I've gotten from what Tim Z has been posting. That is the driving force behind the change of bearings and synchros in the trans that is going to be used with this set.

Maybe it won't be as strong as the PPG but I know for me dog box was not the direction I cared to go. Plus this is a bit lower cost compared to that. Just a question now if they can actually deliver all they've promised without major problems with the design. Which remains to be seen. But I'm hopeful.

I thought Neat said somewhere they already have some test cars lined up when the time comes, before the production run. Hopefully that will give us a decent ballpark

Did they say they are going to test prior to delivery? I must have missed that. Was my impression the set is going to be fitted in a trans making sure everything at least goes together and then it's coming our way.

 

[Tondar91GVR4]

Has anybody gotten an email from Neat like the post here said to expect in the "next few days"? I haven't..

 

[DreamChaser7]

Has anybody gotten an email from Neat like the post here said to expect in the "next few days"? I haven't..

I have not either.

 

[mooserage]

This is the email I got back on 12/3 after the first round of orders, none since. I don't really expect to see any emails until the major updates are ready.

Thanks so much for your W5M33 SportSync order!

We ran a tight campaign to get this project underway. We know that we ruffled some feathers with the pace of the campaign, but you were one of the 33 people who have jumped in to secure a stronger and more reliable solution for the W5M33 platform, at the best possible price we can offer it. Kudos to you!

The final numbers sold were 25 of the Neat SportSync 1-4 kits, and 8 of the Neat SportSync 3-4 kits. Our goal was 30+ sets of the 1-4, so we got oh-so-close.

What we are thinking of doing just to bump the numbers right up to where we need them, is to offer another option to those who didn’t have the available cash for the full upfront payment. They won’t get the same discount that you did, but it ensures there are strong enough numbers to get the tooling, design and prototyping process done and dusted immediately and we turn this product into a reality.

You probably would have noticed the poll we ran in the Facebook group, asking why people were hesitant to buy the product. The result of that poll was that the majority (60+%) of the 650+ members felt it was the wrong timing financially for them, so close to Christmas.

As a result of the feedback from that poll, the plan is to offer a non-refundable deposit system to these people on the fence. They’ll be securing the set they need with a 25% deposit at a higher price than what you bought it at, but slightly discounted off of the full retail price. They’d need to pay the remainder at the time that full production numbers will need to be locked in, which coincides with tax-returns in the USA - mid March 2024 - otherwise they’d forfeit their deposit. To be clear: you paid $4500 for the 3-4 or $7500 for the 1-4; they will pay $5100 for the 3-4 or $8250 for the 1-4. Still a saving for them, to entice more buy-in to get this off the ground immediately and stick to our production and development timelines.

If you have any objections to this plan, or any other queries, please do let us know - just respond to this email. I think this plan strikes the best balance of ensuring we have the right volume to kickstart the product, while honouring the fact that you were the ones to place the full amount up-front. If there are no serious objections, I plan to put this forward to the broader Facebook group tomorrow.

I want to take this opportunity to sincerely thank you for putting your trust in us to deliver a solution to a problem that has plagued this platform for decades.

Thanks so much,
Sam Charlick

Owner and Director

 

[DreamChaser7]

Glad you got that response, makes me feel a little better. I emailed Sam tonight expressing the rest of us who didn’t get a follow up email ( probably the 25% deposit crowd I’m guessing) would feel better if we did. I agree I didn’t expect much after that, but did expect at least that.

 

[mooserage]

Got a follow up tonight with some updates and a note that I wasn't subscribed to Neat's mailing list, where they will send updates from. I clicked the subscribe button, added my email, so should get updates going forward.

 

[Stapl3]

Aren't these like 1.5 years out? Ya'll are gonna sound like some ex gf hounding 18 times - each month - for an update of the same answer.

564 Ft-Lbs

Why not just go dogbox then? This is over a year out, I'm certain the difference $$ can be earned between then and now.

 

[DreamChaser7]

No the point that was originally made was we received NO response after spending money, which there was supposed to be at least one.
Sam already responded to me letting him know some members have this same curiosity with this:

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