Winter 07/08 Projects and Plans?

[Eagle 5]

No, I see what you are saying and I dont see why it would not work. you going to attempt this and let us know or was just this a brain storming idea? I would be curious to see the results if you or someone else tried it.

I was just brainstorming though I may still try it once I get some time and its a little warmer outside.

Also, the one v-mount setup I saw in person looked more like this > than like Greg's \| . I wonder if one setup works better than the other.

 

[tsiboosted]

This one track that i attending a lapping day is usually where i see higher coolant temps. The course is not as high speed (top speed is about 70mph) and lots of tight turns. I'll have to test my setup with the new car this year there and post some results. I'll even post a log (DSMlink) to show coolant temp changes, as well as intake temps. I'll post some pics in a few days after i get all my air ducting complete. Key thing, use any openings on the front bumper and direct the airflow to make it useful.

What are your temps running at now Andy? From your last track day back a year ago when it wasnt snowing up there Just joking man. Seriously though, what were they?

When I race, mine are around 204 - 207 with 2 bottles of wetter and water. This will change once all the AC crap comes out and more ducting and venting I know. Just curious to see what yours are now.

I was just brainstorming though I may still try it once I get some time and its a little warmer outside.

Also, the one v-mount setup I saw in person looked more like this > than like Greg's \| . I wonder if one setup works better than the other.

The way Greg had his \| is about all the room he had to work with and this is on a fully race prepared car. If you are going to try to do a true "V" mount > style, I think you would most likely not have the room in there. I could be wrong, but unless you do some major and I am pretty sure about VERY major gutting and moving things around in the front, this style > would be very hard to accomplish.

But hey, try it out and see what you can do man. But a radiator tends to be about twice the size (maybe bigger) of an intercooler. So try the math first with some measuring of the components and engine bay before you actually attmept to do it you know?

p.s. - You have any pics of the setup you saw where the radiator and intercooler where setup like that? I would like to see how much they had to take out around that area. There is not a lot of room there to begin with. I believe that is where Greg ran into some issues as well.

 

[mavisky]

That setup is much easier on a typical longitudinal type engine, on ours that area between the radiator and the engine is very tight especially if you're running a larger than stock frame turbo. It might even be possible to pull air from underneath the vehicle up underneath the radiator up and out through the vent.

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Here's some great homemade ducting I found online on a 2g.

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[mavisky]

All the v-mounts I've seen place the radiator base clear up where the front bumper is thus making it much easier to damage should to tap someone in the rear. There's room to do it if you do short route piping and are willing to set it up right, but you risk a minor incident turning into a major part failure.

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[Eagle 5]

That is a little closer to what I saw. Now the car also had some other custom things done. For one, the exhaust manifold was built in a way that the turbo outlet basically went right into the intercooler. Just a small elbow. Then the intercooler outlet was on the drivers side and the intake manifold was flipped around. The engine mount on the drivers side was also modified to allow the upper Ic pipe to go through. Also had a custom hood vent built into it. Car was more than likely for drag racing but I never saw it completed. I'll see if I can get some pics of it.

 

[Ludachris]

That is a little closer to what I saw. Now the car also had some other custom things done. For one, the exhaust manifold was built in a way that the turbo outlet basically went right into the intercooler. Just a small elbow. Then the intercooler outlet was on the drivers side and the intake manifold was flipped around. The engine mount on the drivers side was also modified to allow the upper Ic pipe to go through. Also had a custom hood vent built into it. Car was more than likely for drag racing but I never saw it completed. I'll see if I can get some pics of it.

This was on a DSM?

 

[Ludachris]

Just wondering - does anyone know how long a typical air-to-water intercooler would be good for? I've never really looked into those as I always thought they were for drag racing. I'm not sure if they would be able to cool the air for longer periods of time. It probably would only make sense on a full race car, if it made sense at all.

 

[mavisky]

Chris you'd need to have a pump and a heat exchanger much like an oil cooler for the air to water cooler. It's possible that in TT you could use this at a low turnout track if you were able to pull out of the pits and make one fast lap, but that's not usually the case and I don't think the air-water idea is very good in the road racing arena.

 

[tsiboosted]

That setup is much easier on a typical longitudinal type engine, on ours that area between the radiator and the engine is very tight especially if you're running a larger than stock frame turbo. It might even be possible to pull air from underneath the vehicle up underneath the radiator up and out through the vent.

Thanks for those pics Kyle. Really gives me a goold look at what I could possibly do. Great find man.

This was on a DSM?

That is exactly what I was thinking. I don't think he has said it was or was not on a DSM.

 

[Eagle 5]

This was on a DSM?

Yes. A 1st gen. I can't find my pictures of it but I emailed the guy to see if he still has any. V-mount style as I explained but ic on top, radiator on bottom as most are. Turbo was placed where the outlet of the turbo to the ic was very short and almost directly into it. Outlet of the ic was on the drivers side and went straight back just above the drivers side engine mount (which was modified to allow the piping to go through) and the intake manifold was flipped around to meet up with the piping. Also the hood had a custom vent cut into it.

As soon as I find some pics of it I'll post them up.

 

[tsiboosted]

Yeah TJ, I would love to see some pics of that setup on a DSM. Might spark some good ideas out there. Over the weekend, I am going to be mocking up some templates for my ducting system and putting on new brake pads and the FP race manifold. Busy weekend on the car.

My final race of the year actually got moved to the following weekend end March due to some scheduling comflicts. So that gives us a little more time to get prepared for the event.

 

[talonTSIDriver]

Yeah TJ, I would love to see some pics of that setup on a DSM. Might spark some good ideas out there. Over the weekend, I am going to be mocking up some templates for my ducting system and putting on new brake pads and the FP race manifold. Busy weekend on the car.

My final race of the year actually got moved to the following weekend end March due to some scheduling comflicts. So that gives us a little more time to get prepared for the event.

I'll also be working on the DSM this weekend and workin on some air ducting stuff.

Next project: sunroof DELETE!!!

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[tsiboosted]

Are you going to try to fab up something Andy to plug the sunroof or try and find some other company that already makes one? I have looked (not too much) to try and find someone that already made one. They make them all day for Hondas, but I have yet to see one for a DSM. Let us know how it goes man.

 

[talonTSIDriver]

Are you going to try to fab up something Andy to plug the sunroof or try and find some other company that already makes one? I have looked (not too much) to try and find someone that already made one. They make them all day for Hondas, but I have yet to see one for a DSM. Let us know how it goes man.

I have not found anything that a company makes as a "bolt on" plug. I will most likely take the car over to a friends body shop, weld in some sheet metal, he'll smothin everything all out and paint it for me. Should look just like a non sunroof car.

 

[turbosax2]

I have not found anything that a company makes as a "bolt on" plug. I will most likely take the car over to a friends body shop, weld in some sheet metal, he'll smothin everything all out and paint it for me. Should look just like a non sunroof car.

Are you just getting rid of the headliner?

 

[talonTSIDriver]

Are you just getting rid of the headliner?

No, I will be in search of an OEM non-sunroof headliner.

 

[turbosax2]

Is this to help stiffen the chassis at all, or is it just for losing weight up top and gaining headroom?

 

[talonTSIDriver]

Is this to help stiffen the chassis at all, or is it just for losing weight up top and gaining headroom?

its not really going to stiffen the chassis much at all. I thought about welding in an extra brace or something but it probably wont do a lot. Its more to lower the CG and gain more headroom.

 

[tsiboosted]

Are you just getting rid of the headliner?

What headliner, I have zero interior left except for the factory dash. Everything is else is gone.

its not really going to stiffen the chassis much at all. I thought about welding in an extra brace or something but it probably wont do a lot. Its more to lower the CG and gain more headroom.

Thats kewl Andy. I would like to see it when you are done and during the process if you snap off some pictures.

 

[talonTSIDriver]

Thats kewl Andy. I would like to see it when you are done and during the process if you snap off some pictures.

Will do Esiboosted!

 

[tsiboosted]

Will do Esiboosted!

"E"siboosted ??? Funny Andy.

 

[talonTSIDriver]

"E"siboosted ??? Funny Andy.

After your done with your winter mods and have over 200whp, then we can call you tsi again.

 

[tsiboosted]

After your done with your winter mods and have over 200whp, then we can call you tsi again.

WOOOOW !!!! I see how it is here. Well "Hopefully" it will be around 250 or so. Thats what we are shooting for anyway. But we'll see later this summer. There is no Winter in Florida man.

We have 2 seasons here. Hurricane and NOT hurricane season.

 

[Pro3racer]

Interested in seeing your pictures of ducting. I've been trying to figure out what material to use and how to attach it.

 

[tsiboosted]

Interested in seeing your pictures of ducting. I've been trying to figure out what material to use and how to attach it.

What I am going to be doing is making templates from poster board then using some aluminium to make my dusting towards the radiator and intercooler. I have some ducting inlets as well I may figure a way to carry air from the side of the main peice to the intercooler as well. Have to really get in there and see how much room we have to work with before any of that can happen though. Loads to do as always.