hx40 vs sc6262?

[TSimage]

There's only one guy with an hx5* turbo to ever actually take their dsm to a track and post on dsmtimes.org or here or anywhere publically for that matter.




Is this a joke? The car made 600whp withOUT a shop backing it with a jy turbo. Conservative tune. On pumpgas and meth injection. . . Either flame the guys driving skills or accept the dyno results you just saw.

One wouldn't expect a "Wisemen" to be such a nutt swinger, but leave it to you to be a captain save-a-ho(lset) any time someone says anything negative about it.

I(WE/MOST) DON'T GIVE A FLYING FK ABOUT UNSUPPORTED DYNO NUMBERS..

I felt the need to type that in capitals and bold it because people can't get it through their heads. These aren't Supras, I could give 2 sh*ts what your car dynos, what does it run in the 1/4?? Not what could it run, not what has some guy in another country with a different plat form ran it at.. I don't care. And If I ask the spool given on a typical block, don't come at me showing me spool numbers from a 2.3. You are no different than the other minions. You have been #### riding these turbos for years, do you have any valuable information of your own, other than websites and compression charts? Got some track times? Videos? Slips?

This is the kind of info everyone wants to see. We don't care if a car is putting down 600 on a dyno but running mid to high 11s on the track. I did low 11s on a V-Trim years upon years ago.

The bottom line is the turbo isn't proven. PERIOD. Until people start doing and do less talking, no one will take them seriously. Hell there is no arguing with me, I am a believer, but at the same time I am more of a realist, I'm not going to be a blind sheep and spit off numbers that have no substance to back them up. We already have 7 pages of Holset Bench racing, lets not have another.

I'm not here to bash anyone or anything, nor do I feel the need to bash that guys driving as you said. I more so bash the people sitting on the bench trying to give lessons about how the game is played. So again, kudos for him for actually being one of the few to build a car and follow through with it. I'll never knock a person for that. I respect him for it completely.

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I have a brand spankin' new 7 blade billet HX35 from Dodge (friend works for their service center) in my garage that will possibly find its way on a 2.4l build on my GVR4 but at the moment I rather stretch the stock turbo and see what it can do before I blindly move on to something else which I'd in turn be a guinea pig to test at this rate.

People want proof. Unless you reply to my post with some, you'll only be proving my point further and wasting our time. I'm not calling you names, so watch your mouth. Be an adult and come with weapons on the next go around, normally its those who don't have much to say that have to revert to such language, but at this point in time, it is what it is.

Point stands. I'm playin' for the Holset team, but I'm not going to be a fanboi at the same time.

 

[Turbo Monk3y]

Not even close. I ran a bolt on PTE 6776. Barely made it over a year of track/daily driving and I had to have it rebuilt because it was leaking oil. Sold it, grabbed a HX40 off ebay for $235, paid $200 for a complete rebuild and $150 for a used BEP housing. So $1000 for the PTE 6776 that had HORRIBLE spool or $585 for a turbo that spooled 400rpm quicker AND flowed 4lbs/min more at the same boost level. Sold that think after a year and a half and it was still new.

That PTE GT35R I had is still running without and air filter it has over 70K on it and still is doing fine in a friends car. Some people do not know the correct way to keep turbos alive for a long time. Do you use a 10 micron filter before the turbo? Do you feed from the filter housing or the head? Do you use a restrictor? Do you have Oil pressure problems? What weight oil are you using? I've had PTE turbo's for years, I've had mitsu turbos for years and Garrett turbos for years, along with turbonetics. All of their turbos last just as long if you give the turbo its correct habitat in which to operate correctly. The only vendor I had mess up on me with 3 turbos of the same build was a 60-1 from AGP dubbed the RS60T. Those were official crap.

My t-67 dbb garrett center is doing just fine and will continue to do so until I sell it. All of this talk is getting a tad bit ridiculous, so I propose an Idea.

Why don't one of you Holset Bandwagoners build your car up and show the world that you too can get into the 8-9 second range like the rest of the Fast guys with Dsms and EVO's... Holset is nothing more than an OEM turbo. Just like a 14b,16g or 20G. It should be, in no way shape or form viewed upon as "THE TURBO" to have.

 

[Cassera]

One wouldn't expect a "Wisemen" to be such a nutt swinger, but leave it to you to be a captain save-a-ho(lset) any time someone says anything negative about it.

I'm not calling you names, so watch your mouth. Be an adult and come with weapons on the next go around, normally its those who don't have much to say that have to revert to such language, but at this point in time, it is what it is.

Two wrong's dont make a right
What's good for the goose is good for the gander

Besides that....I understood and at some point agree to what you said

 

[JEFFREYCASTGSX]

, this is funny.

 

[gsxkid81]

we should have a holset vs all other turbos class at the dsm shootout.

 

[1gDSM4g63]

A moderator so seriously close this thread. All this can be found if you do research instead hearing the facts and the same people bickering about how the PTE is better than Holset.

 

[ceedawg]

One wouldn't expect a "Wisemen" to be such a nutt swinger, but leave it to you to be a captain save-a-ho(lset) any time someone says anything negative about it.

I(WE/MOST) DON'T GIVE A FLYING FK ABOUT UNSUPPORTED DYNO NUMBERS..

I felt the need to type that in capitals and bold it because people can't get it through their heads. These aren't Supras, I could give 2 sh*ts what your car dynos, what does it run in the 1/4?? Not what could it run, not what has some guy in another country with a different plat form ran it at.. I don't care. And If I ask the spool given on a typical block, don't come at me showing me spool numbers from a 2.3. You are no different than the other minions. You have been #### riding these turbos for years, do you have any valuable information of your own, other than websites and compression charts? Got some track times? Videos? Slips?

This is the kind of info everyone wants to see. We don't care if a car is putting down 600 on a dyno but running mid to high 11s on the track. I did low 11s on a V-Trim years upon years ago.

The bottom line is the turbo isn't proven. PERIOD. Until people start doing and do less talking, no one will take them seriously. Hell there is no arguing with me, I am a believer, but at the same time I am more of a realist, I'm not going to be a blind sheep and spit off numbers that have no substance to back them up. We already have 7 pages of Holset Bench racing, lets not have another.

I'm not here to bash anyone or anything, nor do I feel the need to bash that guys driving as you said. I more so bash the people sitting on the bench trying to give lessons about how the game is played. So again, kudos for him for actually being one of the few to build a car and follow through with it. I'll never knock a person for that. I respect him for it completely.

I have a brand spankin' new 7 blade billet HX35 from Dodge (friend works for their service center) in my garage that will possibly find its way on a 2.4l build on my GVR4 but at the moment I rather stretch the stock turbo and see what it can do before I blindly move on to something else which I'd in turn be a guinea pig to test at this rate.

People want proof. Unless you reply to my post with some, you'll only be proving my point further and wasting our time. I'm not calling you names, so watch your mouth. Be an adult and come with weapons on the next go around, normally its those who don't have much to say that have to revert to such language, but at this point in time, it is what it is.

Point stands. I'm playin' for the Holset team, but I'm not going to be a fanboi at the same time.

Some of the better #'s Ive seen in this thread: see posts #: 4,6,7,8,15,17,18,23,24,32 in thread listed below!

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/tur...esults-only-complete-installed-systems-2.html

 

[Turbo Monk3y]

Hx40 as a bolton is still cheaper than the 6262. . .

Kp116 beat your 11.4 time by half a second with the bolton hx40 and the stock intake manifold. at only 4 more psi boost That was jsut in my last post. . .

The guy you're talking about was running 33psi (not 36psi) and at +2700 lbs (not 2500lbs). It's at full boost 4500rpms. At the track he shifted at redlin. He was never below 5K . . .

The logs of the respool are all over the link forums if you're not too biased enough to look.

I got so close to a 10sec pass

60' 1.856
330' 4.975
1/8 7.336
MPH 102.46
1000' 9.363
1/4 11.030
mph 139.03

The car weighs 2520lbs and I weigh 240lbs for reference.

It's on the chart bro.

528whp @37psi and 534 @ 44psi.

I wonder what it would do in a T3 setup.

Quoted for truth... (I said Car referring to weight AND IT was 37psi) And back to the time you were talking about. 4psi is a significant amount on a 35R in case you did not know. Thats the difference of .4 Second or more.

 

[gob4sho89]

WTF

Well, this is not exactly what I expected when I posted this thread to begin with, I guess I was looking more for suggestions based on my mods so far, and peoples own personal experience with one of or both of the turbos. All of the differences in opinion on these turbos has given me an idea... What if I test both turbos setup on the exact same setup? I do not have enough money to buy 2 turbos, but I do have my car to test them on, and access to a brand new superflow chassis dyno... I'm going to sleep on this one

 

[dsm-onster]

Quoted for truth... (I said Car referring to weight AND IT was 37psi) And back to the time you were talking about. 4psi is a significant amount on a 35R in case you did not know. Thats the difference of .4 Second or more.

WOW, That was silly. The turbo was set at 33psi and the dyno chart even shows that. . . But you didn't even read the thread or look at that. You're too busy floating on what you tremendous results did over someone who did the same with less invested.. . . Of which: 4psi makes ".4" seconds difference. And the bolton hx40 I've brought into the discussion (kp116) beat your car with 4psi boost by ".4" seconds" with 4psi more boost. bolton hx40 does what a gt35r does. Why the fvck is this so complicated?

Ts"image" et is about driver as much as power if you havn't been to a track lately to varify. Good thing a dynojet is universal and minimally influenced across the board. . . Dynojet numbers have been provided. But run that holset to show it for the bad turbo it is

I'm so curious as to why you think I'm "swinging on nuts" when I've produced nothing but dyno after dyno, and track time after track time to fulfill this threads arguement. It would be different if I just claimed some bull sh!t arguement that there's no results when they are out there right in your face to see. Like YOU and the other "power" guy who has yet to even start his car up. Fvcking whos nuts am I swinging on? Who runs these turbos? Who Sponsors them? Who thinks they will net them a profit?

 

[diambo4life]

I am biased but I would say go with the PTE 6262 anyway. It has been proven a number of times....dyno and TRACK times. I am not a fan of PTE JB turbos though. I love the DBBs. They are as reliable as an OEM turbo in my honest opinion. I have wanted to upgrade my off the shelf 35R to a 62 cold side for about a year and a half now. That's how much I'm impressed with that puppy.

 

[dsm-onster]

we should have a holset vs all other turbos class at the dsm shootout.

So you said it. . . Some just want to "excommunicate" or pit the whole community against these turbos. That's your final arguemennt after all your contribution up to this point

 

[biglady112]

I have run a few of both PTE and Holset turbos.

I have had a PTE SCM6152E and SCM6176RE. The first one ran great and ran well until the day I sold it. It was my first dsm and my first "big" turbo. I did nothing special and it ran well for a long time. I think I put 12,000 hard miles on it before I sold it.

My second turbo was a gift from a friend. It was originally a SCM6152E. It was badly damaged by oil contamination. It was smoking horribly when we pulled it off. He sent it out to PTE and they rebuilt it into the ball bearing setup. That thing got abused a TON. It made its way onto three different cars and five different motors. Last I knew it was still running and hauling ass. The one sinle issue that turbo had was MAJOR compressor surge. No matter the motor combination we put behind it. It just did not like what we asked from it at this altitude.

My only holset experience is with the HX52. We run these on my car and my friend's talon. My car is still in the building stages and testing stages. But, it has made some impressive power on my less than stellat 1.6L setup. It spools really slow and acts just like a large frame turbo, but I love every thing about it. I would say it is my favorite turbo. I am doing nothing too special with the oil feed and return, and it has run just fine for almost two years. I fully expect to reach my 200mph goals with this turbo.

As far as my friend, well has has 10 200mph passes under his belt. He now has THREE HX52's because he loves his turbo so much. He picked his up for $300 new, $250 new and $150 used. If you ask me, a turbo that is going to put his little car near 700whp soon for that cheap and reliable, man you just can't go wrong. And for reference, he has made 540whp@24psi so far with his less than ideal setup. He runs a small cam, stock intake, super small intercooler, and nothing special at all. But his little turd throws down and is a PROVEN 200MPH Mitsubishi.

 

[TSimage]

I'm not trying to argue with anyone. I'm just a guy who wants some answers to the questions even I asked and can't get answers to.

I think its awesome that these turbos like the HX52s can be had for so cheap, but good lord man can someone who actually plans on running their car within the next couple years run one so I can see what this turbo can actually do?

The S472 I had previously can be up in price, but the S475 I am pushing for can be had for 400-600, mind you youll need a T4 housing for it for an additional $150-200 but thats all in part of making a larger turbo work for your goals. If the 55 comes in only a T6, I don't mind, I'd have no problem purchasing a T4 housing for it, but I would like to know if it'd be worth it... I can find many builds running the BW turbos to help me justify my route, but all I find for the larger framed HX turbos are wishes and bench racing. A few guys like BL have indeed ran them, but I can't use his 1.6l as any sort of gauge for what my 2.0 will do, nor can I use his friends land speed car build either considering neither will perform, or were built for use in the manner I would like to use them. Hell, its hard for me to get any definitive numbers on the damn turbo alone so I can at least compare specs. With the money I have now I could possibly throw together a cheap HX52 setup and run it but I know it wont reach the results I want. Something like the Pro or even an HX55 SEEM like they could work but can someone please get me some info on them?

I believe I will have to resort back to my googling, but that means sifting through a bunch of truck sites. I was hoping one of the numerous ones running these big guys had some informative things to tell me. If I can just find a Holset within the parameters of a 374/s475 I wouldn't be "ashamed" as many are to run it.

So lend a helping hand to those in the know, thats all I ask for. I don't mind trying new things. I'm down for the ride. Point me to where I can get these things for cheap and its all good.

Matter fact I'm going to start lookin up specs now. As I always tell people, "If you aren't part of the solution, then you're part of the problem.."


BTW, these are the S400 specs I want to come as close as possible to:

Turbocharger Name - S475
Compressor Wheel Inducer - 75mm
Turbine Wheel Inducer - 96
Turbine Wheel Trim - 96
Turbine Wheel Part # - 410100-3
Turbine Option - Outlet - V-Band
Turbine Option - Inlet - T6 (Obviously T4 options are a must)
Turbine Option - A/R - 1.32 (Looking more likely to a 1.15 sized housing which wont choke with the spray, possibly a 1.25 if needed later on)
Horsepower Rating - 600-1000 (This turbo is known for putting down some of the highest numbers out of any Airwerks based turbo)

 

[biglady112]

The Holset HX60, BHT3B or the HT3B are the nearest turbos to those specs.

The B/HT3B measures as follows-
Comp- Ind. 73.5mm
Exd 109mm

Turbine- Ind 97mm
Exd 86.3mm

And for any reference, the land speed car did 173mph twice in the standing mile at texas at the above mentioned 24psi. With a handful of passes in the 16h-173mph range. I think if I were to set my car up for the mile, with a good tune and my car being a lightweight, I could knock down 200mph in the mile very easy. My car is much quicker and faster than his talon in the quarter mile. His car just freight trains in the big gears.

At 5800ft, his car did a 15.0@112mph in SECOND gear. He was using his heavily modified salt tranny and 26" hoosiers. His car has/had no launch configurations. So he had to ride the clutch out just to get moving. But if it makes you feel better, he picked up 37mph on the back half of the track. At 24psi. This in a 3450lb FWD talon.

FWIW, I plan on running a BW S480 after I am through with my HX52. Unless I can find a holset in the 80mm range, which I have not yet, then I will be jumping to the borg warner.

 

[dsm-onster]

I'm not trying to argue with anyone. I'm just a guy who wants some answers to the questions even I asked and can't get answers to.

I think its awesome that these turbos like the HX52s can be had for so cheap, but good lord man can someone who actually plans on running their car within the next couple years run one so I can see what this turbo can actually do?

The S472 I had previously can be up in price, but the S475 I am pushing for can be had for 400-600, mind you youll need a T4 housing for it for an additional $150-200 but thats all in part of making a larger turbo work for your goals. If the 55 comes in only a T6, I don't mind, I'd have no problem purchasing a T4 housing for it, but I would like to know if it'd be worth it... I can find many builds running the BW turbos to help me justify my route, but all I find for the larger framed HX turbos are wishes and bench racing. A few guys like BL have indeed ran them, but I can't use his 1.6l as any sort of gauge for what my 2.0 will do, nor can I use his friends land speed car build either considering neither will perform, or were built for use in the manner I would like to use them. Hell, its hard for me to get any definitive numbers on the damn turbo alone so I can at least compare specs. With the money I have now I could possibly throw together a cheap HX52 setup and run it but I know it wont reach the results I want. Something like the Pro or even an HX55 SEEM like they could work but can someone please get me some info on them?

I believe I will have to resort back to my googling, but that means sifting through a bunch of truck sites. I was hoping one of the numerous ones running these big guys had some informative things to tell me. If I can just find a Holset within the parameters of a 374/s475 I wouldn't be "ashamed" as many are to run it.

So lend a helping hand to those in the know, thats all I ask for. I don't mind trying new things. I'm down for the ride. Point me to where I can get these things for cheap and its all good.

Matter fact I'm going to start lookin up specs now. As I always tell people, "If you aren't part of the solution, then you're part of the problem.."


BTW, these are the S400 specs I want to come as close as possible to:

Turbocharger Name - S475
Compressor Wheel Inducer - 75mm
Turbine Wheel Inducer - 96
Turbine Wheel Trim - 96
Turbine Wheel Part # - 410100-3
Turbine Option - Outlet - V-Band
Turbine Option - Inlet - T6 (Obviously T4 options are a must)
Turbine Option - A/R - 1.32 (Looking more likely to a 1.15 sized housing which wont choke with the spray, possibly a 1.25 if needed later on)
Horsepower Rating - 600-1000 (This turbo is known for putting down some of the highest numbers out of any Airwerks based turbo)

I showed you an older 4WD saab with a 2.0L 4-cylinder to 9.8 w/ 2900lbs race weight with the hx50 and produce 700whp at 33psi with an 8300rpm revlimit before running out of injector. The hx5* turbos come with a bolt pattern that closely resembles t4. You need to slightly widen the holes on your t4 flanged manifold to run it. No need for a separate turbine housing purchase. BTW, they are all twinscroll. I have yet to see a single scroll unit.

Goldfarb

Yes, you're looking for a bigger turbo than the hx50-52-55.

 

[Kevin TSI]

The hx40 must be more than ok since it takes a bolton turbine housing much farther.

Imagine what it would do actually pushed as hard with a .70 a/r housing or a twinscroll manifold and the stock holset housing . It already can net 100hp over the op's goal in the small housing.

Wait until summer our twin scroll 18cm 6 blade hx-40 car will be done. We plan on running some pretty high boost levels.

I plan on proving a lot of people on this board and my local board wrong. I have no doubt that I will either.

 

[TSimage]

I saw that, but as posted by myself many times, dyno numbers are usless with no proven results to back them up. Many dynos read different so one dynos 700 might be anothers 560.. I want to see track results first and foremost.

And yes I am most certainly looking for more power than the regular 50 and 52 have been putting down. Hopefuly some 55 numbers and results pop up just to see how close, or how far the numbers deviate from my end goal. 1K hp is roughly what I'm looking to need or roughly 900 on a auto. And that's all speculation from the numbers postedalong with video from the other people with turbos I have been looking at.

I showed you an older 4WD saab with a 2.0L 4-cylinder to 9.8 w/ 2900lbs race weight with the hx50 and produce 700whp at 33psi with an 8300rpm revlimit before running out of injector. The hx5* turbos come with a bolt pattern that closely resembles t4. You need to slightly widen the holes on your t4 flanged manifold to run it. No need for a separate turbine housing purchase. BTW, they are all twinscroll. I have yet to see a single scroll unit.

Goldfarb

Yes, you're looking for a bigger turbo than the hx50-52-55.

 

[gsxkid81]

So you said it. . . Some just want to "excommunicate" or pit the whole community against these turbos. That's your final arguemennt after all your contribution up to this point

i just think all the bs talking needs to stop and we should take it to the track.

 

[Turbo Monk3y]

i just think all the bs talking needs to stop and we should take it to the track.

100% agree ^

 

[dsm-onster]

There's been hx40 dsm cars already to the track that have beat your times.

I saw that, but as posted by myself many times, dyno numbers are usless with no proven results to back them up. Many dynos read different so one dynos 700 might be anothers 560.. I want to see track results first and foremost.

And yes I am most certainly looking for more power than the regular 50 and 52 have been putting down. Hopefuly some 55 numbers and results pop up just to see how close, or how far the numbers deviate from my end goal. 1K hp is roughly what I'm looking to need or roughly 900 on a auto. And that's all speculation from the numbers postedalong with video from the other people with turbos I have been looking at.

You saw that? But you said dyno numbers are useless with out track times. I posted track times of an hx50 2.0L 4cylinder with 4wd that weights 2900lbs.

I'm sorry but first of I posted up dynojet numbers for most of those and dynojets are by far the most consistant across the board. That's one of the dj selling points. And second i posted times for those dyno numbers. . . Third. I certainly hope you're not looking for an et to match a dyo number. A MPH is accurate. And all the hx40 results I posted have 132-140mph speeds. Certainly you understand how much driver skill comes into play for an ET.

If you want 1000whp, you shouldn't be on the internet looking for advice.

 

[Cassera]

You saw that? But you said dyno numbers are useless with out track times. I posted track times of an hx50 2.0L 4cylinder with 4wd that weights 2900lbs.

I think he wants videos showing the guy driving the car, saying the exact set-up he has, getting in the car and the whole 1/4 mile run.

All of us planing running holset's need to subscribe to this thread so we can quote people and then post videos of 1/4 mile time ourselves.

I'm not bashing, I know that theres not as many holset 1/4 mile videos as other turbo set-up's but until we show a video of OUR cars running holset, everybody is gonna continue to ask for more results.

But what does my opinion matter, I have no personal results

 

[dsm-onster]

I think he wants videos showing the guy driving the car, saying the exact set-up he has, getting in the car and the whole 1/4 mile run.

With a ketchup bottle sitting on the valvecover too

FWIW the saab guy could care less about DSMer turbo drama. Why would he lie about his choice of turbo You see the video of the dyno and the track run.

Here's a few videos of the 690whp hx40. . .

Dyno video and notice in the end how quickly it comes on boost on the street:
Dyno and notice in the end how quickly it comes on boost on the street
Launch; see how fast it comes into boost in FIRST gear:
Launch; see how fast it comes into boost in FIRST gear
Again here's the 10second slip, again here's the dyno sheet and video of the turbo.

We've linked assault187's dyno video. . . And nearly all the results in this thread have video proof.

 

[ceedawg]

With a ketchup bottle sitting on the valvecover too

FWIW the saab guy could care less about DSMer turbo drama. Why would he lie about his choice of turbo You see the video of the dyno and the track run.

Here's a few videos of the 690whp hx40. . .

Dyno video and notice in the end how quickly it comes on boost on the street:
Dyno and notice in the end how quickly it comes on boost on the street
Launch; see how fast it comes into boost in FIRST gear:
Launch; see how fast it comes into boost in FIRST gear
Again here's the 10second slip, again here's the dyno sheet and video of the turbo.

We've linked assault187's dyno video. . . And nearly all the results in this thread have video proof.

Matt is there a listing for his setup? I love that exh mani with the single wastegate setup. Who made that exh mani? Great vids also.

 

[dsm-onster]

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/turbo-system-tech/313476-holset-turbos-results-only-complete-installed-systems.html#post151844443