hx40 vs sc6262?

[dsm-onster]

"This car" . . . There's no actual indication of any car discussed in the quote to which you've refered .

 

[doesitonall4rs]

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/drag-strip/375634-talondave-goes-10-39-132-94-holset-hx40.html

***Edit: Not trying to peck a fight. . .I just couldn't resist myself . . . Still, will a setup that nets this with an aftermarket (non factory) housing and no sponsorship/shop backing get merrit it deserves?

O You are crazy man! Bumping up this thread just to piss of the haters. For some reason when I saw this thread up top again first person I thought of bumping this thread was you with talondaves results. Made my night! haha

 

[TSimage]

The Turbo did what it should have done... Its a 35r sized turbo putting down 35r numbers... I really don't understand what the big deal is...

 

[1997_GSX]

The Turbo did what it should have done... Its a 35r sized turbo putting down 35r numbers... I really don't understand what the big deal is...

Should have done WTF That turbo hasn't even been warmed up I can't wait to see talondave run a 9. That guy has broke a lot of parts and refuses to quit and I like that.

 

[TSimage]

Should have done WTF That turbo hasn't even been warmed up I can't wait to see talondave run a 9. That guy has broke a lot of parts and refuses to quit and I like that.

I'm not sure what part of that simplistic post was over bearing, but yes. "SHOULD HAVE DONE" was the phrase used ..

These numbers aren't new for turbos this size. Its what everyone expected them to do anyways. I'm not saying that the times themselves can't be perceived as impressive, they simply aren't surprising (to me at least)

 

[1997_GSX]

I'm not sure what part of that simplistic post was over bearing, but yes. "SHOULD HAVE DONE" was the phrase used ..

These numbers aren't new for turbos this size. Its what everyone expected them to do anyways. I'm not saying that the times themselves can't be perceived as impressive, they simply aren't surprising (to me at least)

It is a large turbo but Dave's car is one of the first and one of the only HX40s in the 10s right now, he should be proud! Not to mention this car is almost full weight, not a tuna can. I am very impressed!

 

[JusMX141]

The Turbo did what it should have done... Its a 35r sized turbo putting down 35r numbers... I really don't understand what the big deal is...

The big deal is nobody thought a HX40 could make power until now. According to all of the haters, the HX40 was never a contender because it had no results and now that someone has finally put together a worthy package it's just "doing what it is supposed to". Go figure.

The best part is that this specific HX40 is producing GT35R numbers and the whole package cost $100 less than a new Evo III 16G.

 

[TSimage]

It is a large turbo but Dave's car is one of the first and one of the only HX40s in the 10s right now, he should be proud! Not to mention this car is almost full weight, not a tuna can. I am very impressed!

I wouldn't call a 35r sized turbo "large" by any means its a medium framed turbo.. I agree he should be proud but as mentioned, he is running times he SHOULD be running... The numbers the turbo has put down at the dyno suggest it is on par with a 35r and as such it should run like one. This shows that it indeed does.

The big deal is nobody thought a HX40 could make power until now. According to all of the haters, the HX40 was never a contender because it had no results and now that someone has finally put together a worthy package it's just "doing what it is supposed to". Go figure.

The best part is that this specific HX40 is producing GT35R numbers and the whole package cost $100 less than a new Evo III 16G.

Nobody thought the 40 could make power? Who is nobody? We've had dynos from these turbos for a long time now.. EVERYBODY knew this turbo could make power, it was a matter of getting someone to actually get on the track and run it hard.

And those people weren't "hating" that is a simple misuse of the term. They were simply tired of the half decade of bench racing. You finally got TWO, yes TWO guys out of the myriads of people who had jockying the turbos for ever (and not doing anything themselves except adding to the clutter) and yes the turbo is finally proving itself.

The numbers have been there.

The specs have been there.

People who do more than be keyboard warriors on the computer and actually builders/drivers wasn't.


Now these guys like Dave and KP are out putting in work and finally showing results that live up the numbers as it SHOULD. This isn't rocket science. Its mechanical engineering at its simplest. Turbo number 1 puts down X amount of power in relation to X turbo number 2 who also puts down X power and runs X time so in theory turbo number 1 should also perform similarly.


I can go out pick up a Evo3 for $300 (I've picked em up for less before) *why compare it to a new Evo3 when the HX40s you are referring to aren't?* and bolt it up to my car and go with nothing else needed, get it tuned, hit the track and put down number better than what the HX35s are doing... I own a Holset and can assure you it'll cost more than 300-350 to have it running. Lets not start that BS argument again. The amount of supporting mod ON TOP of that you'd need for the HX40 puts that number even farther out of the realm of the Evo3. For the price of what it will cost you to run a HX40Pro you could bolt on a used HTA68 and run similar times.

You'd be better off comparing it to the turbo it was suppose to be compared to, a 35r. in that case, YES there is a great difference in pricing. And I can definitely agree that the Holsets are excellent value.

Let me sum it all up for you. It is nice to see the turbo finally living up to the Hype. Hype created by big talkers yet proven by some of the quietest guys of the bunch. Go figure. Some people talk about it. Some people make it happen and to that those guys definitely deserve their congrats as I have relayed to the both many times.



And to all of the above, this is not to be taken out of context. This is no bash at anyone or attempt at refueling any feuds or arguments. I am genuinely 100% thrilled that this turbo is doing what many have hoped for it to do. Its great to know.I always felt they were capable or else I would have never decided to own em or help friends install them. Its just a good time period for these turbo. The unfortunate thing is they are going up in price, that kind of changes everything to a degree.

 

[JusMX141]

I can go out pick up a Evo3 for $300 (I've picked em up for less before) *why compare it to a new Evo3 when the HX40s you are referring to aren't?*

If you want to put it that way, I've sold my own rebuilt Evo III's in the past for around $375, and the total cost of Dave's turbo once rebuilt was around $435. I initially bought the turbo as a core, the rebuild parts, and the turbine housing, so I know what I paid. That's about $60 more for a rebuilt turbo with 25+lb/min of additional airflow potential.

The amount of supporting mod ON TOP of that you'd need for the HX40 puts that number even farther out of the realm of the Evo3.

Aside from freshening up Dave's engine over the winter, nothing else was changed. He's pretty much running the same setup he was running with the HX35 except now he has an engine that makes better use of the airflow the turbo is generating; and I'm sure if the HX35 was on the car today it would net E.T.'s much better than the 11.60 it ran last year on the whooped up stock 6-bolt that was in three different cars with roughly 139k on it.

Before the end of the season we're actually planning on going back to a HX35 and running into the 10's with that turbo as well. The HX40 is making 62-63 lb/min at 30psi; a HX35 with a little more boost would make just a shade less on peak airflow but it will also spool much faster....so the results should be there for the HX35 as well.

For the price of what it will cost you to run a HX40Pro you could bolt on a used HTA68 and run similar times.

That's a bit of a stretch, don't you think? Sure English Racing is running 10.3's using a HTA68, but they also went 10.6 with an Evo III 16G on the same car...and that's not something that everyone can do. Don't make it seem like the additional 20lb/min the HX40 generates over the HTA68 is useless.

Hype created by big talkers yet proven by some of the quietest guys of the bunch. Go figure. Some people talk about it. Some people make it happen and to that those guys definitely deserve their congrats as I have relayed to the both many times.

Honestly, Dave came to me in search of a turbo that would be reliable. He didn't give a SHIT about performance or brand initially, he was just sick of the money he was throwing away on SBR G50's, G60's, PTE's, and Turbonetics turbos that never made it past the 1000 mile mark. The one requirement was that it had to be journal bearing so it could be rebuildable in the event of a problem. He had a 30R variant on his car in the past and a failed rod bearing caused the turbo to stop making boost even with an inline filter, so that was $800 or so down the drain.

Immediately the first turbo I thought of was a HX35. We put the HX35 on Dave's car and he ran into the 11's his first trip to the track which is something that was never done on any of the PTE / Turbonetics / SBR junk he ran in the past. Dave was instantly hooked on the spool versus airflow potential of the HX35, but wasn't a firm believer until the end of the season when the turbo was still on the car and STILL had no shaft play after a season of abuse including a victory in the Bracket 1 class at the Shootout last year.

He decided he wanted a HX40 for his over-the-winter build. I started searching around last October because it's hard to find a good deal on a used 6-blade HX40; I finally came across the turbo that is on Dave's car today.

In his first trip to the track with the HX40, he coasted to an 11.62 at 98mph, fearing that he may be thrown off the track for running under an 11.5 without a cage. Once we spoke to the right people, Dave started to give it all it had and began breaking driveline parts left and right because he was still running the stock transfer case, driveshaft, and rear diff from 17 years of abuse...the same issues that would plague anyone else in a similar situation.

We're confident the car has a 9 in it the way it sits, which would make it the fastest Holset-powered DSM...all done using a $435 turbo rebuilt by yours truly.

 

[TSimage]

As I mentioned before Justin, don't take any of what I said as a bash or a downplay on what has been proven/accomplished through Dave or even KPs builds.

I never doubt these turbos, I just wanted to light some fire under peoples asses to get these cars to the track. You have been around from the beginning as I have and have seen the talkers come in and boast about there setups only to see them running BW something else or parting their cars out all together.

I'll be damned if I ever see what a fkin HX52Pro is capable of. I'm torn running it because for cheaper I can grab a BW s400 and roll with a more proven setup. I'm all for doing new things however so more and more I am leaning towards the HX5x but I can't say it has been easy to find one... If you wanna REALLY piss some people off, you toss a Holset on an aluminum rod motor and turn the boost up as high as it'll go. That'll wake some people up.

I'm kind of playing it by ear. Which ever deal comes my way first, BW or Holset. I've ran Garrets, GT-Ks etc, its time to see what these other guys are capable off. Now that I sold my s471 I'll be on the lookout.

 

[dsm-onster]

Thats right. Go get a holset and prove it yourself . Go find out what an hx5whatever can do. Make a record and be proud.

Meanwhile, some do say they arn't capable. And "keyboard" warriors "forcasted it" I suppose . Wild guesses right? That's all it is.

Regardless. "They were what we thought they were." Good thing for our whole community. Thank you for being more respectful of those seeing the potential of these turbos. And thank you for giving merrit to those who've proven it with results.

 

[NOSLO2PT0]

I'm kind of playing it by ear. Which ever deal comes my way first, BW or Holset.

Those are quite the opposite end of the spectrum pricewise. You will NEVER find a BW turbo that still operates normally in the price range of what most Holsets are selling for. You want a BW with 75lb/min capability, you are gonna pay $1200+ for a new one. The used Holsets (the entire point of this debate is their price vs. performance) are going for $4-500. Trying to see which "deal" comes along first is like someone offering you the choice between a new $75,000 Skyline, or a $250,000 Ferrari. They both have very similar power/performance characteristics, but do you really wanna pay 3x the price for the same power/performance and the cheaper alternative?

 

[TSimage]

Those are quite the opposite end of the spectrum pricewise. You will NEVER find a BW turbo that still operates normally in the price range of what most Holsets are selling for. You want a BW with 75lb/min capability, you are gonna pay $1200+ for a new one. The used Holsets (the entire point of this debate is their price vs. performance) are going for $4-500. Trying to see which "deal" comes along first is like someone offering you the choice between a new $75,000 Skyline, or a $250,000 Ferrari. They both have very similar power/performance characteristics, but do you really wanna pay 3x the price for the same power/performance and the cheaper alternative?

Please don't come in here babbling off to me about stuff you have no knowledge on.

Do some research and then come back in here and please inform me, a person who has personally owned a S400 turbo, on what it cost. I'm not guessing as to what the price difference is, I am stating it. And what has been seen is the BW actually perform better in many aspects. Yes the Holsets are badass bang for your buck turbos, yet another reason why I also own a 7 blade HX35. S400 turbos can be found anywhere from 4-600 NEW. Good luck finding a brand new HX52 pro, or even a regular HX52 brand new anywhere near that.. Oh and if you do, PLEASE let me know because I have been lookin' for a while... You can barely find a USED HX52 for the same price of the even bigger S475 new.

I'm just saying, for future reference, either research the topic being discussed or the person you are mentioning it to . I've been around the block a few times.

 

[dsm-onster]

You can barely find a USED HX52 for the same price of the even bigger S475 new.

I'm just saying, for future reference, either research the topic being discussed or the person you are mentioning it to . I've been around the block a few times.

The hx52 used can be had for a bit less than an s475 new. Have you contacted goldfarb in doing your own homework?. . . However yes, the s475 is in a different flow bracket; 66mm vs. 75mm inducer: 10+ lb/min. There seams to be a bubble in price as you go from 50-trim flows to 4088r flows. Then the prices seam to plain off or even go down. I would expect a very large turbo not to be so costly, s4** turbos being significantly larger than the hx5* turbos. Because you are getting out of the aftermarket demand.

 

[TSimage]

The hx52 used can be had for a bit less than an s475 new. Have you contacted goldfarb in doing your own homework?. . . However yes, the s475 is in a different flow bracket; 66mm vs. 75mm inducer: 10+ lb/min. There seams to be a bubble in price as you go from 50-trim flows to 4088r flows. Then the prices seam to plain off or even go down. I would expect a very large turbo not to be so costly, s4** turbos being significantly larger than the hx5* turbos. Because you are getting out of the aftermarket demand.

The main one I am referring to is the HX52 pro which I believe is 71mm. This is on par with the S400 I use to run, spec wise and I have yet to see it near that price range.

As I mentioned.. The S400s are $400-600 all day long brand new. I have no problem picking up a busted 52 pro and fixing it myself or sending it in to Justin, I just simply haven't came across one in the price range making it worth of me not siding with the S400s.

Most of you know what my goals are, so a probably couldn't justify anything smaller than the hX52 pro.

Hmmm... Only if you guys knew what I just unearthed.. The turbo gods have shined down their honor upon me. ...

 

[dsm-onster]

Put her on and go fast

 

[TSimage]

Put her on and go fast

Put what on???




You say that as if you know what I scooped up.