hx40 vs sc6262?

[DSM_PWR]

Have you ever been in an HX40 powered car? If not you have no comparison. Lots of people think an EVO316G is fast because they have never been in a different car. Let's see some more DSM PTE 6262 2.0 results then. No EVO's because you can't even begin to compare the 2 cars.

Nope never been ina Holset powered car although i am waiting ona local to finish his so i can finally

and dont compare me to someone who's never been ina fast car ...

Hows so?... are Evo's cheating or something

 

[dSmgs-T]

Let's see some more DSM PTE 6262 2.0 results then. No EVO's because you can't even begin to compare the 2 cars.

thank you.

Hows so?... are Evo's cheating or something

as similar as they are, they are nothing a like at the same time.

red apples to sour apples

 

[DSM_PWR]

Just doing a quick glance at our 1/4 Track times list..

I dont see a holset come into the charts till spot #56 with a [email protected] while the 6262 comes in at #42 with [email protected]

Although not everyone has posted their times on this site... thats just a quick 1min search.

There are alot of 35r's on that chart and what is the 6262 but a basic 35r?

 

[95blackGsTurbo]

Nope never been ina Holset powered car although i am waiting ona local to finish his so i can finally

and dont compare me to someone who's never been ina fast car ...

Hows so?... are Evo's cheating or something

The gear ratio's, weight, drivetrain weight, weight distribution, suspension system, AWD system and unsprung weight just to name a few are sooooooo much better designed than a DSM.

 

[dsm-onster]

I was PM'd by a fellow member who cant post in the section but wanted to enlighten me on something

Quote:
Did you notice that dsm-onster is quoting what the hx40 has done on a 2.3 (653whp) when the OP has a 2.0? That fact seems to be continually overlooked.

The highest dyno (not calculated whp from a trap speed) I've seen on a 2.0 hx40 was 600whp in a t3 housing. The hx40 will more than likely not meet the OP's goal of 600whp in the easy peasy bolt-on form that is being given as its main advantage over the 6262.

To recap:
HX40 @ 40psi on a 2.3 = 653whp http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/tur...complete-installed-systems.html#post151661785
HX40 @ 35psi on a 2.0 bolt on = 535whp http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/tur...mplete-installed-systems-2.html#post152029236
HX40 @ 35psi on a 2.0 t3 = 603whp http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/tur...mplete-installed-systems-2.html#post152052203

End Quote


Now, there is a new thread with more arguing, where someone made high 400hp ona mustang dyno with problems, so im not saying it wont make 600whp just posting about the 2.3l



Oh why yes sir,.. i do that for ya sir, right away sir



Very cute..

True i cannot say ive ran a Holset nor the 6262.

All i have to bring to the table is personal expierence, i know and had the oportunity to ride in two local low 10s/140 trap full weight cars that used the 6262.. and from that experience, have nothing but good, impressive things to say about those turbos.

You lose. Yes I have 2.0L but I have the wh1e on my car the older hx40.

"To recap"? Good thing you arn't a sportscaster. The 653whp number was one number badman21 put down with the .55 a/r housing. Then later he net 685whp (in the same damn thread to which you are referring !!!) with the .55 a/r housing. Later he net a 134.78mph traps speed with 3300lb race weight at 4psi lower boost than his 685whp dyno run confirming the dyno is indeed accurate.

So 685whp in the .55 a/r housing. The OP already has an FP exhaust manifold. Which is as much an upgrade as the typical tubular manifold to which any number of flanges can be attached.

Keep talking! why give us room to speculate when you can speak up and remove all doubt of your ineptitude.

Keep it up

 

[95blackGsTurbo]

Just doing a quick glance at our 1/4 Track times list..

I dont see a holset come into the charts till spot #56 with a [email protected] while the 6262 comes in at #42 with [email protected]

Although not everyone has posted their times on this site... thats just a quick 1min search.

There are alot of 35r's on that chart and what is the 6262 but a basic 35r?

That comment explains a lot to me about how much you know about turbo's. You can't compare a ball bearing to a PTE journal bearing.

 

[DSM_PWR]

sigh...

I give up...

3x "Wiseman", i must be wrong...

 

[dsm-onster]

Wow, yea please don't type anymore. Too much idiocy vommitted on your keyboard. If you would just think first before typing, a whole new world would be open to you. One where you could see what was put in threads from which you yourself quote; and from what really happens in a DSM that is not a shop sponsorship.

Just doing a quick glance at our 1/4 Track times list..

I dont see a holset come into the charts till spot #56 with a [email protected] while the 6262 comes in at #42 with [email protected]

Although not everyone has posted their times on this site... thats just a quick 1min search.

There are alot of 35r's on that chart and what is the 6262 but a basic 35r?

See there. You quickly skimmed over the search instead of looking for anything relevent to the discussion. What were the build differences, especially weight. Badman21's results arnt even in the list which was a 10.8. Good job with that quick glance thing. It really shows who's best. At a quick glance boy george doesn't look like a man either . . . Lets stick with the results you're looking at: .3sec difference for how much more money and how much later spool? ALL of it is over the OPs goal. THINK!

You still havn't proven the hx40 in the .55 a/r housing is not capable of producing around 100whp more than the OP's goal. OP wants "600whp hopefully more". What's your point?

 

[dsm-onster]

The gear ratio's, weight, drivetrain weight, weight distribution, suspension system, AWD system and unsprung weight just to name a few are sooooooo much better designed than a DSM.

Quoted for truth.

. . . .so AGAIN. . . Back on topic.

The .55 a/r BEP housing hx40 has net 683 whp backed by track results. And the OP has an FP exhaust manifold. It dice for a "600whp hopefully more" turbo rolls to the hx40. Simply because it costs so so much less to install and a real dsm has net close to 700whp which is plenty more for the "hopefully more". Followed by several mentioning that journal bearing PTE turbos have poor reliability. And then the best of it all. The close to 700whp turbo that is far less expensive spool quite a bit faster.

Who would pick a laggier turbo that's net over 700whp that cost twice as much to install for a 600whp "hopefully more goal"?

 

[1fastlaser]

Well if you wanna get technical. 653 at the wheels, is OVER 700 at the flywheel....

Regardless. who gives a crap about a number, I only worry about what it will go at the track. People always come on here and say "I want a 900hp dsm"...they dont search, they dont even have a 300 or 400hp car yet, and now they want 600-900 seems to be the magic numbers all the time now.

I say stop bench racing and throwing numbers around, and just let the thread go. Its just like the arguements of the 60-1 compressor map, and how it is a horrible turbo, and bad pump gas turbo that use to get talked about 6 years or so ago. Real life, and data somehow always find a way to be different.

We all see a hx40 will do the job to make him this magical number that seems like everyone is bent out of shape about. Regardless of what number it makes, its still a whole other animal keeping the car together, and acually being able to drive it at the track.

500-550 should be a 10 second slip easily. You just need the driver mod.

 

[JusMX141]

3x "Wiseman", i must be wrong...

Now you're learning.

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How may we sum up your account status to make your title more credible?

 

[DSM_PWR]

With all the fun nonsense aside...

I seriously do hope the OP goes with an Hx40, posts up the results whether its dyno, track, roll racing, bench racing.. etc.. so we can speculate afterwards...

I WANT to see one of these underdog turbos come up in the world, heck maybe even pass me up in the lane next to me..

Just leave the "could haves" at home

How may we sum up your account to make your title more credible?

... #1 Douche

The whole "Wiseman" thing is a whole nother topic... so i wont get into that here...

 

[JusMX141]

... #1 Douche

That or "#1 troll"; possibly "the guy with the 1+ year-old build thread for a car that isn't finished".

The whole "Wiseman" thing is a whole nother topic... so i wont get into that.

Oh but you've already brought it up here on more than one instance.

PM me sometime. I'd be glad to hear what you have to say.

 

[DSM_PWR]

This is getting off topic and im sure ill be receiving another warning... *sigh*
Last input...

That or "#1 troll"; possibly "the guy with the 1+ year-old build thread for a car that isn't finished".

When i build a car, i like to build it just the way i want it, not a quick fix or quick bolton. I think my build speaks for itself on that part... plus being a 21 yr old college student that works fulltime has other things on his mind than DSMs

PM me sometime. I'd be glad to hear what you have to say.

As many times as you've looked at my profile, im suprised you havent PM'd me yet ... stalker much? if this was myspace i'd have to block you...

 

[dsm-onster]

A quick bolton is not a quick fix. It's a lagitimate way to net way more than the OPs goal and spend half of what you spent.

Just leave the "could haves" at home



... #1 Douche

The whole "Wiseman" thing is a whole nother topic... so i wont get into that here...

No one brought up could haves. . . Flat out, the hx40 in the .55 a/r BEP housing has done 690whp backed by track results. PERIOD. Plus all the other dyno numbers backed by track results. Or just flat out track results. All proving the turbo fits the OP's bill. . . . #1 hardhead. If you're going to be stubborn, you really shouldn't be thickheaded about reality, since no one is speaking of "could haves" with respect to the OP's goal. Just makes you look sillier than we even thought you were, considering you posted there was no proof the hx40 will work for the OP and wont accept proof when it is right there in threads you've obviously read through yourself.

The question is which is better for the OP. And you still havn't stated anything that puts the 6262 over the hx40 for the OPs goal other than it's made more power than the hx40. So what? The hx40 has made 100hp more than the OPs goal. The gt42 frame has made more power than all of them. . . Hx40 stilll spools faster. PTE still has a bad rep with JB turbos. HX40 still costs HALF to install.

You still talk about guys only offering "could haves". You really are too dimwitted to see the actual results fit beyond the OPs goal when they are posted here in your face and in the threads you've already "read" through, or did something through. And you are really so dimwitted to think that a bolton turbo that's done way more than what the OP is asking for that saves money for other modifications is a "quick fix". . . Clearly you've split your mental attention like you said. More MUST be on your mind not to see the facts right in your face though looking right at them.

All the others who vote for the PTE6262 said their peace that it's made more power than the hx40 and left. Their reasoning is that it can make 750whp so it's better for the op's goal of "600whp hopefully more" for whatever reason. While you started this sh!tfest with a comment that made you look like a child or just inept at research by vomitting there's no proof the hx40 will do what the OP wants. They've all left at least seeing the proof for themselves, yet you're still here looking more and more silly.

 

[JusMX141]

As many times as you've looked at my profile, im suprised you havent PM'd me yet ... stalker much?

Just checking to see when your turbo selection changes to "Holset", or when your car is actually finished so I can notify Shep that he has new competition.

if this was myspace i'd have to block you...

You're right, it's not Myspace....but you're free to add me to your ignore list anytime you want if you feel the need.

 

[doesitonall4rs]

You're right, it's not Myspace....but you're free to add me to your ignore list anytime you want if you feel the need.

, owned

 

[black_gst]

reading the latest on this thread always puts a smile on my face

thanks!

oh... and i want to put 6262 internals into an hx40 best of both worlds right

 

[dsm-onster]

Other way around hx40 internals into a 6262 shell. T3 hx40 would be nice. Considering what the bolton has done.

 

[tim4g63fast]

Other way around hx40 internals into a 6262 shell. T3 hx40 would be nice. Considering what the bolton has done.

t3 hx40 is nice...... looking.... on a shelf in my room

 

[bigt4g63]

you can get a bep housing for the 6262 that is a bolt up and flow good numbers

 

[dsm-onster]

Bolton housing and garrett turbine wheels have never meshed well together after a certain level. The bolton hx40 has done better if you're looking for a bolton and a sure shot at 600-700whp.

 

[dsm-onster]

Id like to see some 9 second slips from a DSM on a hx40 without juice, that will get people talking. Even some deep 10 second slips. So far the hx52 powered evo 3 from across the pond is the only one that supositly ran 10.0@141 or whatever which is ok, but not crazy. I cant talk much because I went 10.9@134 on a 4294 but on 25psi pump gas so far last year. But on 30psi pump, I hope to eclipse the 140 mph traps, and run around what the hx52 ran, but on 93 pump, not e85.

Most of the issue is no shops run them, so the DIY dsmer is bolting shit up, most of which have never been into the 11s, and plan on running 22-25psi on 750 and pump gas . If someone with a setup car (like me) that knows how to tune, and can literally put on say, a hx40 or 52 tomorrow, tune it, and go to the track we will acually get some results. Ofcourse every car is gonna be different, but seeing some logs, and track times will help.

I was gonna run a hx52 when I was putting together my new setup, but considering I got a gt4294 for 400 dollars Brand new from Detroit I couldnt beat it.

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/drag-strip/375634-talondave-goes-10-39-132-94-holset-hx40.html

***Edit: Not trying to peck a fight. . .I just couldn't resist myself . . . Still, will a setup that nets this with an aftermarket (non factory) housing and no sponsorship/shop backing get merrit it deserves?

 

[JusMX141]

Still, will a setup that nets this with an aftermarket (non factory) housing and no sponsorship/shop backing get merrit it deserves?

The only shop-built part on Dave's car is his transmission. Dave built the engine in his garage, the turbo was built in my garage, and Ricky did the tuning in less than 10 pulls while driving around Oakland, Maryland; so the car's not even tuned for the difference in elevation between the track and his hometown. However, Dave's not afraid to spend a little money on parts that matter....mostly driveline parts at this point.

His setup is as good as it gets on a true DSMer budget without any sort of shop backing.

 

[red1993gsallmt]

Well if you wanna get technical. 653 at the wheels, is OVER 700 at the flywheel....

Regardless. who gives a crap about a number, I only worry about what it will go at the track. People always come on here and say "I want a 900hp dsm"...they dont search, they dont even have a 300 or 400hp car yet, and now they want 600-900 seems to be the magic numbers all the time now.

I say stop bench racing and throwing numbers around, and just let the thread go. Its just like the arguements of the 60-1 compressor map, and how it is a horrible turbo, and bad pump gas turbo that use to get talked about 6 years or so ago. Real life, and data somehow always find a way to be different.

We all see a hx40 will do the job to make him this magical number that seems like everyone is bent out of shape about. Regardless of what number it makes, its still a whole other animal keeping the car together, and acually being able to drive it at the track.

500-550 should be a 10 second slip easily. You just need the driver mod.

I hear this car is makin quite a name for its self in south jersey, i was out sunday night and alot of people were talkin bout it