hx40 vs sc6262?

[dsm-onster]

The pot is already brewing . Be careful of the spatter.

 

[JusMX141]

The 6262 has been seen into the high 9's in the 4g63 Platform...

I still say there is a huge difference in what an Evo does versus a DSM. Financial backing if anything....most shops have all but given up on the DSM platform (except Curt Brown, who actually sold his Evo to go back to a 1994 Talon).

....at least show me a low 10 with a nice 140mph

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There's your 140mph- had the launch been better with less spinning and rev-limiter in first gear not only would the E.T. have been lower but the MPH would've been higher. Low to mid 140's is well within the realm of a 9.

 

[DSM_PWR]

There's your 140mph- had the launch been better with less spinning and rev-limiter in first gear not only would the E.T. have been lower but the MPH would've been higher. Low to mid 140's is well within the realm of a 9.

Not exactly what i was looking for... but kinda close

I do think holsets are impressive for how cheap they are, but still not convinced they can outperform/same level a 6262..

 

[dsm-onster]

Plus more than enough for the OPs goal considering the weight.

You didn't start the thread PWR. The OP is likely looking for +600whp builds that have the hx40 or 6262. . . Not whatever you're after.

They are impressive considering they do it in a bolton housing. . . It's not like a garrett bolton has EVER done the above trap speed with even close to that weight. Yea maybe some holset users should try out the non-bolton options more

BTW they already have "same level"ed-ed-d many 6262 setups while in the bolton housing. There's loads of 6262 setups with less than 600whp or about the same as the 7-8 hx40s already at that level without shop sponsorship. And that's a very high percentage of the total hx40 users vs. pte 62-or any gt35r with such results. . . . The hx40 works WELL for the OP's goals of over 600whp. And still manages a higher service life on average.

 

[DSM_PWR]

For the sake of continued nonsense postings, i hope to OP does go with the hx40 and keeps us informed with the 600whp goal ...

My 1g still needs parts so i enjoy partouts

 

[dsm-onster]

"nonsense"? Way to contribute to the thread!. . . Way prove yourself a hypocrite in under 40 words! You yourself brought up non-applicable subjects and RE-inserted them within the last page that cluttered the thread.

Anyway, does anyone have their contributions to which is better for 600-650whp other than the 6262 has made 700whp? So far the results are, the hx40 does it far cheaper and is quite more reliable, and 6262 made 7tee-hundred at Chuck Norris' shop. Oh and the hx40 spools faster.

 

[Jimmyskrew face]

^^^^Ok so your contribution to the 6262 vs. hx40 debate is the reliability . . .in addition to the cost. . .

. . .I have to say PTE reliablility is worth sh!t.

Based off my PTE experience. I've been good so far with 4yrs of abuse and still kicking strong.. I have some simple but yet complicated question can we get flow charts or maps for an hx turbo and the 6262?

 

[Kevin TSI]

Can't promise anything but I am pretty darn sure you will see 600+ pretty easily out of our hx40 setup. Should be done by the shootout.

 

[dsm-onster]

based off my pte experience. I've been good so far with 4yrs of abuse and still kicking strong.. I have some simple but yet complicated question can we get flow charts or maps for an hx turbo and the 6262?

ok. . .

.53kg/sec X 60sec = 31.8kg/min. 31.8kg/min X 2.2046lb/kg = 70lb/min. Notice how high over 4PR it goes!!!

 

[JEFFREYCASTGSX]

According to PTE the 6262 is rated for 67lb/min.
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[dSmgs-T]

Not exactly what i was looking for... but kinda close

I do think holsets are impressive for how cheap they are, but still not convinced they can outperform/same level a 6262..

that was driver error, and it would have been exactly what youre looking for. the evo you posted was a shop evo with a "pro" driver???

and why doubt that holsets cant outperform a 6262? that is an ignorant statement to say the least. the proof is in the pudding with however many posts dsm-monster as made in the thread.

 

[diambo4life]

Lets see...

The 6262 has been seen into the high 9's in the 4g63 Platform...

Wheres the HX40 that did that? Or at least show me a low 10 with a nice 140mph

EDIT:
Ive personally never had a turbo blow (knock on wood)... I pushed my last turbo pte50trim (which was a second hand turbo) 30psi and daily drove it just fine before my motor blew so cant say anything bad about it..

I understand that turbo's can break, its part of racing and its something that can go wrong just like any other part ona car...

Just to rub that in a little more. 6262 has gone high EIGHTS and over 155mph in a 4G63 platform.

that was driver error, and it would have been exactly what youre looking for. the evo you posted was a shop evo with a "pro" driver???

and why doubt that holsets cant outperform a 6262? that is an ignorant statement to say the least. the proof is in the pudding with however many posts dsm-monster as made in the thread.

Read my response above. There is enough evidence to support the claim that the 6262 blows the HX40 out of the water in terms of power production. That's not my opinion.

I still say there is a huge difference in what an Evo does versus a DSM. Financial backing if anything....most shops have all but given up on the DSM platform (except Curt Brown, who actually sold his Evo to go back to a 1994 Talon).

What a load of crap to justify the under-performance of the HX40 versus the 6262. DSMs and EVOs are not comparable? Really?

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There's your 140mph- had the launch been better with less spinning and rev-limiter in first gear not only would the E.T. have been lower but the MPH would've been higher. Low to mid 140's is well within the realm of a 9.

So the highest trapping HX40 DSM you have found is 400lbs lighter and traps 1mph more than my PTE GT35r powered 1G? Color me impressed!

Someone buzz me when a HX40 DSM/EVO traps 150 or even 145 mph in a 3,000lb+ car. Until then, I'm done with this BS thread.

 

[dsm-onster]

^^^^Mike, that is a bolton turbo with a compressor 4mm smaller at the inducer than the 6262/gt35r. I guess some folks think we all shouldn't look at an evo3 16g for 380whp hopefully more because the gt30r has done 550whp, too.

In the meantime, the hx40 supports close to 700whp, proven by dyno backed by MPH/weight. And so far there's been no contribution to what the OP discussion about the 6262 other than it has made more power than the hx40. The hx40 still can do 100whp over the OPs goal and does it FAR less expensive and is more reliable.

 

[JEFFREYCASTGSX]

Just to rub that in a little more. 6262 has gone high EIGHTS and over 155mph in a 4G63 platform.

In a car that runs 48psi, has every single aftermarket part added, and is in the already light EVO RS, plus slicks, and a professional driver, had better runs 8's.

 

[dsm-onster]

Too true.

But really, the point is that no one has anything to say about the 6262 other than a full t3 6262 has made more hp than the bolton hx40. They can't say the bolton 56trim has made as much power or better times than a bolton hx40. They can't say the hx40 hasn't made 100whp more than the op's goal, so he'll have plenty of room for the "hopefully more" part of his goal. No one can say that you can have the 6262 bolted on for less than 2/3 more than the hx40 (both being used or both being new), since it's the bolton hx40 that has done so much more than the op's goal. No one can say the hx40 spools slower than the 6262 in whatever form you can afford.

The real BS is saying that the only reason to chose a bolton hx40 over the 6262 in this case is if someone makes more power than a shop car. Get the 6262 because the 6262 made 100whp more with a full t3 setup. Going along with your mood, Jeff: no sh!t, it had better net higher results considering how much more hotside it has. In the mean time the hx40 spools faster and nets 100whp over the ops goal with the most affordable install: bolton.

 

[DSM_PWR]

This has got to be the worst cry baby post of this thread...

In a car that runs 48psi, has every single aftermarket part added, and is in the already light EVO RS, plus slicks, and a professional driver, had better runs 8's.

Its Run What Ya Brung... and leave your excuses at home..

EDIT: Meaning, dont knock the guy for being able to afford "every single aftermarket part" and for using slicks/pro driver

 

[dsm-onster]

What Jeffrey is trying to say is that there were other reasons why the car net 8s.

Regardless. . . The point is that no one has anything to say about the 6262 other than a full t3 6262 has made more hp than the bolton hx40.

--They can't say the hx40 hasn't made 100whp more than the op's goal, so he'll have plenty of room for the "hopefully more" part of his goal.
--No one can say that you can have the 6262 bolted on for less than 2/3 more than the hx40 (both being used or both being new). Since it's the bolton hx40 that has done so much more than the op's goal, and see next point:
--They can't say the bolton 56trim has made as much power or better times than a bolton hx40.
--No one can say the hx40 spools slower than the 6262 in whatever form you can afford.

 

[DSM_PWR]

...But they can say a 6262 has gotten into the 8's while the Hx40 is still in the 10s
(sorry coulnt resist )



.... now hit me with another one of your Bolt-On housing comebacks..

 

[JEFFREYCASTGSX]

This has got to be the worst cry baby post of this thread...



Its Run What Ya Brung... and leave your excuses at home..

EDIT: Meaning, dont knock the guy for being able to afford "every single aftermarket part" and for using slicks/pro driver

The guy is a shop, that can afford any part they want, and because they carry them in stock.

Edit:compare apples to apples, not apples to mangos.

The fastest hx40's are simple full-weight cars versus Mikes 8sec Evo which is a RS with no A/C, rollup windows, and no interior. A daily versus a race car.

 

[dsm-onster]

...But they can say a 6262 has gotten into the 8's while the Hx40 is still in the 10s
(sorry coulnt resist )



.... now hit me with another one of your Bolt-On housing comebacks..

So what does this have to do with the arguement? You're bored because it went right over your head.

The hx40 in a FAR more affordable setup (bolton) has net 100hp more in provable results than the OPs goal. So he's just fine with one for his "600whp hopefully more" number. THINK!

What does the 6262 put on the table for the OP's "600whp hopefully more" goal over the hx40 other than in a far more expensive form it has done the above? You have a plus for the 6262 because it made more; but a minus because it costs so much more to do that. Again, no bolton 56-trim turbo has done what a bolton volute hx40 has done.

JEff, Yea it really is a comparison between two different animals. You don't know if the op wants to do all that to get a 6262 to beat an hx40. Especially if the hx40 is so much more affordable and still does the "600whp hopefully more" with more street manners in the spool department.

 

[95blackGsTurbo]

Ok here is an idea. Unless you have run, tuned or owned one of the turbo's in this discussion, keep your "opinion" to yourself.

 

[JusMX141]

I'm sure DSM_BOI has either done himself or "knows someone" who has done all of the listed, Adam....so that idea's backfired on ya.

 

[95blackGsTurbo]

I'm sure DSM_BOI has either done himself or "knows someone" who has done all of the listed, Adam....so that idea's backfired on ya.

That's a pretty neat trick.

 

[DSM_PWR]

I was PM'd by a fellow member who cant post in the section but wanted to enlighten me on something

Quote:
Did you notice that dsm-onster is quoting what the hx40 has done on a 2.3 (653whp) when the OP has a 2.0? That fact seems to be continually overlooked.

The highest dyno (not calculated whp from a trap speed) I've seen on a 2.0 hx40 was 600whp in a t3 housing. The hx40 will more than likely not meet the OP's goal of 600whp in the easy peasy bolt-on form that is being given as its main advantage over the 6262.

To recap:
HX40 @ 40psi on a 2.3 = 653whp http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/tur...complete-installed-systems.html#post151661785
HX40 @ 35psi on a 2.0 bolt on = 535whp http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/tur...mplete-installed-systems-2.html#post152029236
HX40 @ 35psi on a 2.0 t3 = 603whp http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/tur...mplete-installed-systems-2.html#post152052203

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Now, there is a new thread with more arguing, where someone made high 400hp ona mustang dyno with problems, so im not saying it wont make 600whp just posting about the 2.3l

Ok here is an idea. Unless you have run, tuned or owned one of the turbo's in this discussion, keep your "opinion" to yourself.

Oh why yes sir,.. i do that for ya sir, right away sir

I'm sure DSM_BOI has either done himself or "knows someone" who has done all of the listed, Adam....so that idea's backfired on ya.

Very cute..

True i cannot say ive ran a Holset nor the 6262.

All i have to bring to the table is personal expierence, i know and had the oportunity to ride in two local low 10s/140 trap full weight cars that used the 6262.. and from that experience, have nothing but good, impressive things to say about those turbos.

 

[95blackGsTurbo]

I was PM'd by a fellow member who cant post in the section but wanted to enlighten me on something

Quote:
Did you notice that dsm-onster is quoting what the hx40 has done on a 2.3 (653whp) when the OP has a 2.0? That fact seems to be continually overlooked.

The highest dyno (not calculated whp from a trap speed) I've seen on a 2.0 hx40 was 600whp in a t3 housing. The hx40 will more than likely not meet the OP's goal of 600whp in the easy peasy bolt-on form that is being given as its main advantage over the 6262.

To recap:
HX40 @ 40psi on a 2.3 = 653whp http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/tur...complete-installed-systems.html#post151661785
HX40 @ 35psi on a 2.0 bolt on = 535whp http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/tur...mplete-installed-systems-2.html#post152029236
HX40 @ 35psi on a 2.0 t3 = 603whp http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/tur...mplete-installed-systems-2.html#post152052203



Now, there is a new thread with more arguing, where someone made high 400hp ona mustang dyno with problems, so im not saying it wont make 600whp just posting about the 2.3l



Oh why yes sir,.. i do that for ya sir, right away sir

It's not a slam or anything. If you don't any personal experience to lend then there is no reason to post.


Very cute..

True i cannot say ive ran a Holset nor the 6262.

Thank you.

All i have to bring to the table is personal expierence, i know and had the oportunity to ride in two local low 10s/140 trap full weight cars that used the 6262.. and from that experience, have nothing but good, impressive things to say about those turbos.

Have you ever been in an HX40 powered car? If not you have no comparison. Lots of people think an EVO316G is fast because they have never been in a different car. Let's see some more DSM PTE 6262 2.0 results then. No EVO's because you can't even begin to compare the 2 cars.