hx40 vs sc6262?

[95GreenGSX]

Im kinda surprised that some of the guys with the better #s have not posted here yet!

They will this season......

Anyways, to answer your question, I'd say to go with a hx40. You will be extremely happy with it. I'd also get a T3 housing. I have a HX40 T3 .70a/r, rebuilt by Justin, and I love it. Its a great turbo and for a fraction of the cost of similar turbos. Idk where people are getting $900 from because its not.

 

[gsxkid81]

Tim's Turbos - Turbo Rebuilding - HX40 for DSM 600HP+ SUPER FAST SPOOL Check stock

this is were i get it cost $900.i cant seem to find other sites that have holset turbos new for sale that come with a dsm housing.

 

[JusMX141]

Tim's Turbos - Turbo Rebuilding - HX40 for DSM 600HP+ SUPER FAST SPOOL Check stock

this is were i get it cost $900.i cant seem to find other sites that have holset turbos new for sale that come with a dsm housing.

You won't. This is not how they are intended to be sold, and I'm sure Tims is not dropping a HX40 in a BEP housing and selling them both at zero profit just to keep his customers happy.

You can do much better piecing together your own setup.

 

[gsxkid81]

i even have a hard time finding new holset turbos for sale without the dsm housing.if my customers want a holset turbo i ask them to bring there own just because i cant find them for a good deal that everyone keeps talking about.maybe i am looking in the wrong places

 

[dsm-onster]

Wow, so many put their foot in their mouth all at once. Is there a turbo with a bolton volute that has EVER made more power than the hx40? Running 10s and all.

And no one saw in that graph the direct comparison between it an the gt30r directly swapped from? Why did it make over 100whp more power but spool the same and have the same power band?

There is a whole thread dedicated to holset results. If you choose not to look at them, youre only trying to fool yourself.

What idiot said that the hx40 is like a gt42? Only one I see is the one who brought it up in this thread.

And if you can't make 450whp with an hx35, then you have other issues a turbo swap can't remedy:

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/turbo-system-tech/313476-holset-turbos-results-only-complete-installed-systems-2.html#post152008900 (mustang dyno)
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/turbo-system-tech/313476-holset-turbos-results-only-complete-installed-systems.html#post151657190
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/turbo-system-tech/145691-holset-turbos-9.html#post1355754

The ONLY dsm guy with an hx5* to ever take it to the track was .02 from 9s

--hx50/55 hybrid

--with as much weight as a full weight 1g

. . . but be sure you don't look at that. Not a 9 second run with a cookie cutter shop car with a more experienced builder(s), the capital to get sales for their wholesale purchases, and typically 400lbs lighter.

 

[dsm-onster]

Depending on set amount you are looking in the 55-6500 rpm range for full. But the s400 doesn't compare to the 52 which is a smaller turbo. The HX52 is more along the lines of the s372 which spools ridiculously fast and has held more records and awards that any other turbo in its class in a relatively short time out.

But we aren't comparing the Holsets to the BWs

There's only one guy with an hx5* turbo to ever actually take their dsm to a track and post on dsmtimes.org or here or anywhere publically for that matter.

Iill start off by congratulating you on great times but your times show one issue. A turbo so many swear spools like a 35r but puts down 4294r numbers and is the size of a 40r, your times are on par with a typical 30r at a similar boost if not worse.. we keep seeing these cars squating on the dynos but when do we see the good stuff? Again I applaud. The devotion and all the sweet talk sounds good but I just want some results so I can run one myself.

Is this a joke? The car made 600whp withOUT a shop backing it with a jy turbo. Conservative tune. On pumpgas and meth injection. . . Either flame the guys driving skills or accept the dyno results you just saw.






OP, Assault187 made the results your looking for with the hx40. Dacowgod made 575whp with a lower reading mustang dyno (on buschur's dyno) with the same turbo. And badman21 made 85whp more than your goal with the smaller .55 a/r housing. The .55 a/r housing hx40 spools to 20psi by 3900rpms in 3rd gear.

Also here's a 140mph trap speed with a +2700lb dsm. Trap speed is right on par with a 600whp dynojet number. Needs more seat time with that 60ft. Bolton housing. AND this is the dime a dosen 8blade hx40.

 

[JusMX141]

Dacowgod made 575whp with a lower reading mustang dyno (on buschur's dyno) with the same turbo with boost dropping from near 40psi to 28-29 by redline due to a soft wastegate spring. Probably would've made around 630-640 had the car held 40psi.

Fixed.

 

[dsm-onster]

That's right! I remember him telling me about the gate issues he had. Under 30psi, yet 575whp with a rather low reading dyno.

Bah... to he!! with it. . . Further, the results from other platforms still stands. Those cars that Justin linked to still require the same airflow to net those results. Airflow that a holset turbocharger provided.

Here's a 4wd 2900lb Saab 2.0L 4cylinder running 9.8sec with an hx50 (not 52 or 50/55 or 55) and an 8300rpm revlimit. He ran out of injector at 700whp and only 33psi. . .

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But garrett results had no relavence to DSMs back in the early 1990s either, when no one was running them on a DSM platform

Yea the ricer cookie cutter stickers thing has been a real henderance. It's one thing to buy from a community supporting vendor to help keep the motorsport alive and thriving. It's another thing to push away competition. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot and the whole community too. It just makes for shop competition instead of multiple brand choices. The more legit brand choices out there, the more YOU as a consumer win whether you buy the brand in question or not.

Here's a bolton hx40 that saw a 10s run with the stock intake manifold at just 33psi and 3150lb race weight.

 

[Turbo Monk3y]

Guys, I understand that you like Holset turbo's and I'm not here to bash on them, as I've already done that years ago when the bandwagon first started. What I'm trying to help you guys realize is that these turbos might be fine for those looking to upgrade from a stock turbo to make some ok power. But these turbos will never make the times as these new turbos out there.

Even the older GT30R-35Rs still have better drag times than these Holset turbos. For one being the BB center cartridge keeps the turbo spooled up inbetween shift's unlike the Holsets. Its funny how that guy did 139mph @ 35-36 psi on a 2500lb car but only ran an 11.0. Either he really sucks at driving or he's having to respool that thing in between shifts.

For reference on a stock 1g IM I did 11.4 @ 126 @ 28psi on a Stock Unopened Mitsu 6 bolt shortblock using a Ford style 5bolt .63 housing 35R. Changing to a Magnus SMIM, My 3300lb car went 11.0 @ 130 @ 29psi. This happened a few years ago if not longer.

Now for the same price you can get a PTE 6262 non ball bearing and still have a turbo that will get you 680-720AWHP using better technology and a more efficient map. Who does not want that?

Now I'm currently trying to get mid-to high 9s. My best before the track closed up was a 10.4 @ 142 @ 31psi. I'm currently doing some weight reduction to get my (currently 3150lb car) to 2900lbs and then I'm going to up the boost to 37-38psi. I am going to try to max out this old T-67dbb but If I was in the market for a new turbo, I would try to get a Dbb6765 or a HTA3586, not a Holset. Just sayin.

 

[coppersmith]

Guys, I understand that you like Holset turbo's and I'm not here to bash on them, as I've already done that years ago when the bandwagon first started. What I'm trying to help you guys realize is that these turbos might be fine for those looking to upgrade from a stock turbo to make some ok power. But these turbos will never make the times as these new turbos out there.

Even the older GT30R-35Rs still have better drag times than these Holset turbos. For one being the BB center cartridge keeps the turbo spooled up inbetween shift's unlike the Holsets. Its funny how that guy did 139mph @ 35-36 psi on a 2500lb car but only ran an 11.0. Either he really sucks at driving or he's having to respool that thing in between shifts.

For reference on a stock 1g IM I did 11.4 @ 126 @ 28psi on a Stock Unopened Mitsu 6 bolt shortblock using a Ford style 5bolt .63 housing 35R. Changing to a Magnus SMIM, My 3300lb car went 11.0 @ 130 @ 29psi. This happened a few years ago if not longer.

Now for the same price you can get a PTE 6262 non ball bearing and still have a turbo that will get you 680-720AWHP using better technology and a more efficient map. Who does not want that?

Now I'm currently trying to get mid-to high 9s. My best before the track closed up was a 10.4 @ 142 @ 31psi. I'm currently doing some weight reduction to get my (currently 3150lb car) to 2900lbs and then I'm going to up the boost to 37-38psi. I am going to try to max out this old T-67dbb but If I was in the market for a new turbo, I would try to get a Dbb6765 or a HTA3586, not a Holset. Just sayin.

I agree with u 100% those new billet turbos are nice, cant ignore proven track results

 

[dsm-onster]

Hx40 as a bolton is still cheaper than the 6262. . .

Kp116 beat your 11.4 time by half a second with the bolton hx40 and the stock intake manifold. at only 4 more psi boost That was jsut in my last post. . .

The guy you're talking about was running 33psi (not 36psi) and at +2700 lbs (not 2500lbs). It's at full boost 4500rpms. At the track he shifted at redlin. He was never below 5K . . .

The logs of the respool are all over the link forums if you're not too biased enough to look.

 

[JusMX141]

Now for the same price you can get a PTE 6262 non ball bearing and still have a turbo that will get you 680-720AWHP using better technology and a more efficient map.

...and a 30-year old thrust plate design which is proven to destroy itself at as little as 25psi on a DSM. Way to put compressor wheels on center housings that aren't durable enough to support the new wheel's efficiency.

I'm sold.

 

[gsxkid81]

Hx40 as a bolton is still cheaper than the 6262. . .

Kp116 beat your 11.4 time by half a second with the bolton hx40 and the stock intake manifold. at only 4 more psi boost

The guy you're talking about was running 33psi (not 36psi) and at +2700 lbs (not 2500lbs). It's at full boost 4500rpms. At the track he shifted at redlin. He was never below 5K . . .

The logs of the respool are all over the link forums if you're not too biased enough to look.

i new hx40 bolt on cost the same as my new 6765. please show me the store that sell the hx40 bolt on for less than a 6262.

 

[dsm-onster]

No, you buy them from turbodaddy for $200 and have them rebuilt. . . Journal bearing turbos work like new after a rebuild with good wheels and housings.

You know how to get a bolton housing for your rebuilt hx40 just as well as I do.

$550-600

where can I get rebuilt 6765 for that cheap?

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And in that high quality pte bolton housing with that wonderful offset volute with a critical area substancially smaller than other bolton housings? Remember it's the .55 a/r hx40 that's done 690whp.

 

[gsxkid81]

so if you do not want a used turbo it still cost as much to buy a new holset as a new pte.you can also do the same with the pte turbos buy them used and have them rebuilt and it will cost the same as the holset. i just dont see the point of running the holset turbos.i have had no trouble with the pte turbos.i have installed 20 plus pte turbos in different cars including dsms and they have all lasted with no problems.

 

[dsm-onster]

NO you can't get a 67 pte turbo that will bolt on for that low of a price. even "un-rebuilt".

Again the .55 a/r Hx40 did 690whp.

 

[gsxkid81]

i did not say 6765 bolt up.but if you did find a pte turbo that needs a rebuild for cheap and send to have it rebuilt it can still cost the same or less as the holset.

you can get a journal bearing billet 6765 from awdmotorsports for 1000. shipped the hx40 new are close in price

 

[95blackGsTurbo]

How did this thread even make it this far? How can you even begin to compare a junk, 1 season PTE turbo, to a turbo that can last 200k miles running 35psi on a diesel truck and then be swapped onto a 4 cylinder and walk over that turbo. Shop cars run PTE/FP/Garrett turbo's because thier vendors want them too. If they had to pay retail out of pocket I guarantee it would be a different story.

 

[dsm-onster]

I purposefully stayed away frm the reliability thing . +20 pte turbos that have lasted a while vs. +20 pte turbos that havn't

The 67 requires additional parts to bolt on, but the .55 a/r bep hx40 has done 685whp. A good fp exhasut manifold and you have all the exhasut manifold you need when you want such a high number. Stock exhaust manifold bolton hx40 cars have done 10s. There's alot of money required to get a used or new pte 6765 turbo to bolton.

So what's your take on the pte 67 turbos, Adam? . . . Didn't you run a bigger turbine wheel?

 

[95blackGsTurbo]

i did not say 6765 bolt up.but if you did find a pte turbo that needs a rebuild for cheap and send to have it rebuilt it can still cost the same or less as the holset.

you can get a journal bearing billet 6765 from awdmotorsports for 1000. shipped the hx40 new are close in price

Not even close. I ran a bolt on PTE 6776. Barely made it over a year of track/daily driving and I had to have it rebuilt because it was leaking oil. Sold it, grabbed a HX40 off ebay for $235, paid $200 for a complete rebuild and $150 for a used BEP housing. So $1000 for the PTE 6776 that had HORRIBLE spool or $585 for a turbo that spooled 400rpm quicker AND flowed 4lbs/min more at the same boost level. Sold that think after a year and a half and it was still new.

 

[dsm-onster]

The hx40 must be more than ok since it takes a bolton turbine housing much farther.

Imagine what it would do actually pushed as hard with a .70 a/r housing or a twinscroll manifold and the stock holset housing . It already can net 100hp over the op's goal in the small housing.

 

[95blackGsTurbo]

The hx40 must be more than ok since it takes a bolton turbine housing much farther.

Imagine what it would do actually pushed as hard with a .70 a/r housing or a twinscroll manifold and the stock holset housing . It already can net 100hp over the op's goal in the small housing.

And E85 with Meth. Inj. on a 2.3L and a FWD to help the dyno numbers

 

[donniekak]

How did this thread even make it this far? How can you even begin to compare a junk, 1 season PTE turbo, to a turbo that can last 200k miles running 35psi on a diesel truck and then be swapped onto a 4 cylinder and walk over that turbo. Shop cars run PTE/FP/Garrett turbo's because thier vendors want them too. If they had to pay retail out of pocket I guarantee it would be a different story.

I think that is the biggest difference. I honestly don't believe there is a huge tech gap between any of the major turbo manufacturers. Holset does not market to the auto performance market. Therefore they have no shops pushing their turbos. Now, the diesel community is a different story.

 

[dsm-onster]

That's right. Getting a turbo with the same scale of tech advances to allow for fast spool and high flow for a lower entry price and more reliability is very interesting to everyone.

 

[ceedawg]

I think that is the biggest difference. I honestly don't believe there is a huge tech gap between any of the major turbo manufacturers. Holset does not market to the auto performance market. Therefore they have no shops pushing their turbos. Now, the diesel community is a different story.

+10 +10

EXACTLY!! I think that would be the case for the BW turbos as well.


However both turbo's make great #s on our cars,dyno and track wise. Believe me the Holsets r becoming popular regardless of what the haters say!