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[colbyc]

I just used submersible fuel hose (30R10) attaching mine. I've never had any issues so far running E85 with it.

 

[Anfurnyy]

Been doing a ton of reading and I really don’t know how guys are sealing this corrugated/teflon tube to the stock sending unit lines.


When everything comes in and when I go to install it I’m gonna try to make a tech article. Especially if I can get the corrugated tube to seal perfect.

Anyone do this successfully or know anyone that’s done it successfully?

I'm not sure that hose will work at all. I think it's meant for a 3/8 Barb fitting, or similar side but that little OEM line that runs to the fuel pump is quite a bit smaller.

I'd just run submersible hose or mod it and make your own bullhead

 

[CrackedDSM]

I just used submersible fuel hose (30R10) attaching mine. I've never had any issues so far running E85 with it.

I'm not sure that hose will work at all. I think it's meant for a 3/8 Barb fitting, or similar side but that little OEM line that runs to the fuel pump is quite a bit smaller.

I'd just run submersible hose or mod it and make your own bullhead

Awesome. Thanks fellas, I’ll just scrap the Teflon crap and go with a submersible synthetic rubber hose.

 

[CrackedDSM]

Yeah that corrugated tube is never going to work. You’d have to install a 3/8ths line with a bulkhead fitting and honestly it’s not worth the hassle. I used some J30R10 submersible hose and some fuel injection hose clamps and it seems to be holding pressure. It’s been slowly bleeding down for a few minutes now. Where before it immediately would bleed down(go back a page for video showing speed).


I’ll drive it in a bit after pressure bleeds down to 0, and report back on how it drives.

But can I just say, holy crap are these hellcat pumps quiet. I didn’t even know it was working or pumping, until I checked pressure at the AFPR. Crazy. I guess the “whinebro” 255 days are over.


Edit - . I was messing with the wiring today around the fuel pump and discovered that my fuel pump wasn’t rewired. I cut the wire that reads low fuel on the sending unit instead of the 12v wire. So not only was my pump not rewired but that’s why my low gas light was weird. Rofl. I fixed the issue and now the pump is rewired.

Gonna take it for a rip after it’s warmed up.

 

[CrackedDSM]

Fuel issue is fixed. With the hellcat pump, and it rewired properly this time( ) I am now running rich up top. Before I was running lean. I think I'm gonna take a tiche less fuel pressure out from the AFPR, and adjust the VE map a little more. I took some fuel out a little bit, but didn't wanna make a large jump. So, I'll adjust the AFPR and take another rip and see where she is.


Log for anyone curious. This car runs so much better, I cannot describe to you how much better. There's so much more torque down low, and part throttle is just superb. God the "tune" before was absolute trash. It barely ran, man. Insane.

But, this is great and fun. I love this fuel pump. Also: I did not have to cut my fuel pump hanger like everyone else did. I actually turned the pump just slightly and let it "sit" on the ledge, and locked it down with a worm clamp. It's secure AF that way and no permanent disfiguring of the hanger aside from cutting the bell-end off. Thanks for all the advice and tips fellas. Feel free to look over the log and critique!

 

[Anfurnyy]

no log file attached

 

[CrackedDSM]

no log file attached

You saw nothing.

 

[Anfurnyy]

You saw nothing.

EXACTLY

 

[CrackedDSM]

EXACTLY

 

[Anfurnyy]

Fuel issue is fixed. With the hellcat pump, and it rewired properly this time( ) I am now running rich up top. Before I was running lean. I think I'm gonna take a tiche less fuel pressure out from the AFPR, and adjust the VE map a little more. I took some fuel out a little bit, but didn't wanna make a large jump. So, I'll adjust the AFPR and take another rip and see where she is.


Log for anyone curious. This car runs so much better, I cannot describe to you how much better. There's so much more torque down low, and part throttle is just superb. God the "tune" before was absolute trash. It barely ran, man. Insane.

But, this is great and fun. I love this fuel pump. Also: I did not have to cut my fuel pump hanger like everyone else did. I actually turned the pump just slightly and let it "sit" on the ledge, and locked it down with a worm clamp. It's secure AF that way and no permanent disfiguring of the hanger aside from cutting the bell-end off. Thanks for all the advice and tips fellas. Feel free to look over the log and critique!

This is looking pretty good from my own non professional point of view.
Looks like youve got the fuel dialed in pretty well, a little rich up top, and a little lean from 4400-4800 but seriously fueling looks solid.

Well done!

 

[CrackedDSM]

This is looking pretty good from my own non professional point of view.
Looks like youve got the fuel dialed in pretty well, a little rich up top, and a little lean from 4400-4800 but seriously fueling looks solid.

Well done!

Thanks fella! Now I can smooth it out and dial everything in.


So glad I got to this point.

 

[Stapl3]

I think I'm gonna take a tiche less fuel pressure out from the AFPR, and adjust the VE map a little more. I took some fuel out a little bit, but didn't wanna make a large jump. So, I'll adjust the AFPR and take another rip and see where she is.

Just keep physically adjusting the afpr and leave the SD table alone for now. The only objective at this point is wb=afratioest at 5500rpm. Looking at your log above, from 4800rpm to 6200rpm you will see that whole area tighten up to afratioest nicely, and you may be surprised on the effect that does to 6200+.

If this is on E85 you should rework your timing table during the WOT pull. It's safe and good but there's a bit of power left on the table.

You're insanely close to a fast dsm.

 

[CrackedDSM]

Just keep physically adjusting the afpr and leave the SD table alone for now. The only objective at this point is wb=afratioest at 5500rpm. Looking at your log above, from 4800rpm to 6200rpm you will see that whole area tighten up to afratioest nicely, and you may be surprised on the effect that does to 6200+.

If this is on E85 you should rework your timing table during the WOT pull. It's safe and good but there's a bit of power left on the table.

You're insanely close to a fast dsm.

This makes me happy. Will do for sure!

Any suggestions on timing? It’s full E85 that consistently tests at 83% ethanol.

Also: take some fuel pressure out, right? I’ll leave the VE map alone.

 

[Stapl3]

This makes me happy. Will do for sure!

Any suggestions on timing? It’s full E85 that consistently tests at 83% ethanol.

Also: take some fuel pressure out, right? I’ll leave the VE map alone.

Timing should be at it's lowest point when boost hits, hold steady until peak torque, then increased continually to your target peak number (22 IMO) at rev limit. You already have two of these in the bag as your peak boost is at 4300 and peak tq is at 4700, on your table both those cells are the same.

Attachment is what I would do.

And yes, you're about half point rich. Lower the base fuel pressure until wb=afratioest at 5500rpm. It will probably be minimal like a quarter turn counterclockwise. I would mess with the afpr until you got it as dead nuts on as you can. It's a fine adjustment there as you have 360 degrees to turn it. Global fuel % is a garbage adjustment in comparison as that only allows you to adjust every 10th of a percentage.

 

[CrackedDSM]

I haven't touched timing yet, I wanna make sure the fuel system is dialed in first. I adjusted the AFPR, and honestly I think I'm really happy with how it is. I need to give it more fuel down low, obviously, but I'll let yall look it over and critique it. I'm gonna let the car cool down before I take a long 3rd gear pull. With it being mothers day there's a ton of traffic. I might drive it to work tomorrow so I can get a good long 45 min cruising log to adjust fuel trims/VE map. I'll also get a full 3rd gear pull too because where I work has back roads to drool over man. Long, flat roads for miles with zero police presence and no homes. Man. Anyway.


Love this car, man. Here's the log. And this time I remembered to actually attach it!


Edited to add: Now that my dip-stick is sealed tight, oil is spraying out of the BOV when I let off the throttle. It's not a ton, but it's noticeable. So, either the turbo is about to blow, or there is just a ton of blow-by. Either option is just as likely, to be honest. I started and stopped this engine a ton trying to get all my ducks in a row, and it was 0 miles and not broken in. I think that glazed the cylinder walls before I had a chance to actually drive it and break it in. And the turbo has always had up and down shaft-play. But, either way, I'm not gonna stop driving it. Either the turbo blows and I get it rebuilt, or I'll find a way to test if it's blow-by(how? Compression test? Leakdown? IDK). But if it's the engine...I happen to have a spare short block in the parts Talon, matter of fact.

 

[Stapl3]

I haven't touched timing yet,

This is where I say to myself why did I bother. Again.
Have I steered you wrong ever? You're now sitting with a perfectly calibrated fuel system, something 99/100 DSMs never have. I literally handed you a 100hp file, which is not about making the power, rather gaining guilt free efficiency and now you're like.. nah?

 

[CrackedDSM]

Seriously dude, I appreciate your advice but I'm legitimately sick of getting a lecture from you when I try to approach things with a safe hand. Not even mentioning the times I've done your advice, only for you to then comment apparently changing your mind to lecture me on why I did that.

I'm not here to explain myself to you. If I bother you that bad, feel free to leave. I'm over being talked down to or treated like I'm some asshole out to get you. I have explained to you SEVERAL TIMES that it's nothing personal against you, and there's no vendetta. I won't say so again. Either accept that, or don't. I'd appreciate you sticking around and helping, but I'd also appreciate you just dipping out and never talking to me again. Whatever is in your best interest. I am not forcing you at gunpoint to come in here and help me, so the apparent rage at my behalf as if I am tagging you and begging for your help is...confusing, to say the least.

 

[Stapl3]

Seriously dude, I appreciate your advice but I'm legitimately sick of getting a lecture from you when I try to approach things with a safe hand. Not even mentioning the times I've done your advice, only for you to then comment apparently changing your mind to lecture me on why I did that.

I'm not here to explain myself to you. If I bother you that bad, feel free to leave. I'm over being talked down to or treated like I'm some asshole out to get you. I have explained to you SEVERAL TIMES that it's nothing personal against you, and there's no vendetta. I won't say so again. Either accept that, or don't. I'd appreciate you sticking around and helping, but I'd also appreciate you just dipping out and never talking to me again. Whatever is in your best interest. I am not forcing you at gunpoint to come in here and help me, so the apparent rage at my behalf as if I am tagging you and begging for your help is...confusing, to say the least.

Amazing.

 

[Anfurnyy]

spraying out of the BOV when I let off the throttle. It's not a ton, but it's noticeable. So, either the turbo is about to blow, or there is just a ton of blow-by. Either option is just as likely, to be honest. I started and stopped this engine a ton trying to get all my ducks in a row, and it was 0 miles and not broken in. I think that glazed the cylinder walls before I had a chance to actually drive it and break it in. And the turbo has always had up and down shaft-play. But, either way, I'm not gonna stop driving it. Either the turbo blows and I get it rebuilt, or I'll find a way to test if it's blow-by(how? Compression test? Leakdown? IDK). But if it's the engine...I happen to have a spare short block in the parts Talon, matter of fact.

Your catch can setup is recirculating or no?

I think it takes a lot to glaze the walls honestly you're probably fine there. A compression test and or leak down isn't ever a bad idea to do though.

A leak down should tell you if you have excessive blowby / ring gap as it'll just leak all out into the crankcase passed the rings.

I also can't say I've EVER heard of someone tuning fuel by adjusting the fuel pressure regulator. I'm sure somewhere, somehow it's a legit tuning strategy but as far as I've ever heard, read, done- fuel pressure should be the ONE CONSTANT that shouldn't ever change unless needed.

Now with that being said, if the car runs and drives great and you're happy with where it's at fuel wise then let r rip.

I can't speak to much for what numbers to should run for timing, it's something that my tiny brain has never really been able to grasp. I do understand the concept of low timing at peak boost / spike due to cylinder pressure during that time but what NUMBERS to plug in is just confusing.
TLDR: low timing peak boost, then ramp it in to peak timing at redline.
I think I'm running only 17° up top, but I'm also running 45+ psi so obviously there's a trade off there. Can't have cake and eat it too type of situations

 

[Justin DuBois]

I haven't touched timing yet, I wanna make sure the fuel system is dialed in first. I adjusted the AFPR, and honestly I think I'm really happy with how it is. I need to give it more fuel down low, obviously, but I'll let yall look it over and critique it. I'm gonna let the car cool down before I take a long 3rd gear pull. With it being mothers day there's a ton of traffic. I might drive it to work tomorrow so I can get a good long 45 min cruising log to adjust fuel trims/VE map. I'll also get a full 3rd gear pull too because where I work has back roads to drool over man. Long, flat roads for miles with zero police presence and no homes. Man. Anyway.


Love this car, man. Here's the log. And this time I remembered to actually attach it!


Edited to add: Now that my dip-stick is sealed tight, oil is spraying out of the BOV when I let off the throttle. It's not a ton, but it's noticeable. So, either the turbo is about to blow, or there is just a ton of blow-by. Either option is just as likely, to be honest. I started and stopped this engine a ton trying to get all my ducks in a row, and it was 0 miles and not broken in. I think that glazed the cylinder walls before I had a chance to actually drive it and break it in. And the turbo has always had up and down shaft-play. But, either way, I'm not gonna stop driving it. Either the turbo blows and I get it rebuilt, or I'll find a way to test if it's blow-by(how? Compression test? Leakdown? IDK). But if it's the engine...I happen to have a spare short block in the parts Talon, matter of fact.

I see you are above 100 in your VE table, and the VE peak is not at all where I would expect to find it. It looks like you need more global fuel?

Another thing I noticed is your IAT temps are fixed at 88deg? That's awfully consistent for a 3rd gear pull. I was expecting it to move a little.

 

[BLACK'98DSM]

You two must be brothers

 

[DreamChaser7]

I’m staying out of it. Is there a popcorn eating emoji? J/K.

 

[Ludachris]

Seriously dude, I appreciate your advice but I'm legitimately sick of getting a lecture from you when I try to approach things with a safe hand. Not even mentioning the times I've done your advice, only for you to then comment apparently changing your mind to lecture me on why I did that.I'm not here to explain myself to you. If I bother you that bad, feel free to leave. I'm over being talked down to or treated like I'm some asshole out to get you. I have explained to you SEVERAL TIMES that it's nothing personal against you, and there's no vendetta. I won't say so again. Either accept that, or don't. I'd appreciate you sticking around and helping, but I'd also appreciate you just dipping out and never talking to me again. Whatever is in your best interest. I am not forcing you at gunpoint to come in here and help me, so the apparent rage at my behalf as if I am tagging you and begging for your help is...confusing, to say the least.

Might be time to make use of the Ignore feature on the site, for both of you... click on his avatar hit the Ignore button.

 

[DreamChaser7]

Chris,
I truly hope it’s not there and at the end of the day personalities/ daily events/ etc just didn’t align right. We ALL have to remember what we read in text has no context/tone/demeanor expressed properly. Both members have been a value to all of us and I hope will continue to be. To you Cory: I’m personally a wise ass all the time ( you didn’t get enough time with me when we met to receive that, ) and have realized some people don’t get it and think I’m serious even hearing me in person. To you Stapl: Some people have quicker “trigger points” and sometimes we need to let them find their own course best attentions aside. Ok, I’ve had a few drinks. Counseling session over. Let’s get back to what’s important here..
I personally need all of you cooperatively.

 

[jesse12345]

I respect everyone and to be fair there's not one thing that could ever get me mad. That said I hope you guys can be friends again.