Winter 07/08 Projects and Plans?

[DBordersX]

Winter plans: find out where the mildew smell is coming from, save for summer build (no racing plans until I get off the ground mods wise)

Summer Plans:
ETS Street FMIC with blo-thru MAF-T configuration
Tial BOV
FP 4" Intake system w/ K&N Filter
FFWD fuel system in a box
Supra FP
1050cc Injectors
DSM Link
AEM WBO2
Move gauges to the pillar (behind steering wheel now)
Paint her white (needs a paint job badly and white because I just read that Redding is the sunniest city in CA and hottest place north of the 40th parallel)

Some sway bars are also a possibility

Not to mention after doing all this myself (read: it's gonna take 3 months instead of a couple weeks) I'll have to figure out how to make her run with all the new toys.

I'm sorta giddy and sorta terrified at the same time

 

[DSMTalonTsiAwd]

Start Buying all the parts That I have been waiting to get

Evo III 16g Turbo
Evo III or GT Exhaust Mani
Evo III O2 Housing
Turboback Exhaust 3"
Walbro Fuel Pump
ACT 2600
FMIC Kit
SAFC

 

[neoviper]

I wish my list involved more mods but here it goes.

1st and foremost, fix the damage from the accident i had ( long story but lets just say my cars been out of commision for a while ).

New ACT 2600 clutch ### my clutch is shot (and still praying that my flywheel is ok [again long story but lets just say my cars in a bit of a complicated situation, but hey, whose isnt])

And to sum it up i have alot of maintanence to do on the car, service the trasmission, new brakes and tires, basically a very good tune-up ### its been sitting awhile.

If all goes well i'll be set for one of the best summers of my life!!

wish me the best!

 

[WHite97RS]

RM sways
Brake lines
Brake Pads
Turn Factory Rotors

That is if I get this stuff for Christmas from my Fiancee and Parents, if not.....

Nothing

 

[tsiboosted]

RM sways
Brake lines
Brake Pads
Turn Factory Rotors

That is if I get this stuff for Christmas from my Fiancee and Parents, if not.....

Nothing

If you have not done so already, you should check out VIP Garage's brake line kits for 2G's. I run them on my race car and have been very pleased with them.

Technafit 2G Kit

Russell 2G Kit

Also, they have full brake kits as well. So you wouldnt just be turning your factory rotors. Several different kits and prices HERE. Check them out

 

[D_Eclipse9916]

If you have not done so already, you should check out VIP Garage's brake line kits for 2G's. I run them on my race car and have been very pleased with them.

Technafit 2G Kit

Russell 2G Kit

Also, they have full brake kits as well. So you wouldnt just be turning your factory rotors. Several different kits and prices HERE. Check them out

He already knows, I told him to get them from Martin , but good suggestion for everybody else.

 

[chavez408]

plans have changed
The talon decide to snap a few valves so I will be replacing those as well with a new belt, water pump, head deck, sand, resurface, ect.
So that made a big hole in my pocket for mods. So there goes the option of me upgrading turbo and other goodies. I guess I will be powerd by the mighty 14b.

 

[mavisky]

14b is a great turbo. There are many times out on the autox course I wish I still had one instead of waiting on this 18g to get to work.

 

[talonTSIDriver]

14b is a great turbo. There are many times out on the autox course I wish I still had one instead of waiting on this 18g to get to work.

Ha, I love my FP T28!!

 

[tsiboosted]

I still have my factory T-25 and love it on road courses. Only other turbo which I will be switching to is the EVO 16G later next year. Cant have the lag you know ???

 

[Slow old poop]

I still have my factory T-25 and love it on road courses. Only other turbo which I will be switching to is the EVO 16G later next year. Cant have the lag you know ???

I have a 20G and find that if you keep the revs up and your foot in it all the time, there is no lag. My stroker motor is tuned to come on strong from 4000 to 6500, and I don't recall any lag.

 

[talonTSIDriver]

I have a 20G and find that if you keep the revs up and your foot in it all the time, there is no lag. My stroker motor is tuned to come on strong from 4000 to 6500, and I don't recall any lag.

The only problem with left foot braking to keep the boost up is that you may not have any brakes for your next turn. This is caused by no vacuum to the brake booster. Its kinda scary when this happens.

 

[tsiboosted]

I have a 20G and find that if you keep the revs up and your foot in it all the time, there is no lag. My stroker motor is tuned to come on strong from 4000 to 6500, and I don't recall any lag.

Depending on what track you are running and its lay out, sometimes you would not need the 20G. But I see where you are coming from. I left foot brake on the course I race my series on in a few different sections. Not long though. Only in 2 sections of the track I am ever away from around 6500 rpms. Other than that, its usually 3rd and 4th gear the whole way. I am going to stick with my original plans of the 16G. If it is not enough, Im sure it would be fairly easy to sell and upgrade to the 20G. Only time and testing will tell.

The only problem with left foot braking to keep the boost up is that you may not have any brakes for your next turn. This is caused by no vacuum to the brake booster. Its kinda scary when this happens.

No it is not. Has happened to me before and I went sliding off the track as I pitched the car sideways to try and slow down before I shot onto another section of the track into oncoming cars going down the front straightaway.

 

[Slow old poop]

The only problem with left foot braking to keep the boost up is that you may not have any brakes for your next turn. This is caused by no vacuum to the brake booster. Its kinda scary when this happens.

Braking? Who said anything about braking?

You only brake before the corner, turn in, and nail the throttle. The AWD pulls you right through the apex so (ideally) you are at maximum revs at corner out. If you are left foot braking (or even trail braking) into the turn, you are slowing down way too much. Where you are braking, you should be accelerating. It is amazing how much speed you can carry into a turn with AWD.

 

[talonTSIDriver]

Braking? Who said anything about braking?

You only brake before the corner, turn in, and nail the throttle. The AWD pulls you right through the apex so (ideally) you are at maximum revs at corner out. If you are left foot braking (or even trail braking) into the turn, you are slowing down way too much. Where you are braking, you should be accelerating. It is amazing how much speed you can carry into a turn with AWD.

Right, but if you want FULL boost at corner exit, you should keep one foot on the gas through the entire corner. And depending on the particular track, you may have to do this 2 times in a row and it could be deadly.

 

[mavisky]

I have a 20G and find that if you keep the revs up and your foot in it all the time, there is no lag. My stroker motor is tuned to come on strong from 4000 to 6500, and I don't recall any lag.

I can't wait to stretch this car's legs on a road course, hell I'm looking forward to running some Corvette Club autox's next year just to get off these shitty little honda courses our region builds.

 

[talonTSIDriver]

I can't wait to stretch this car's legs on a road course, hell I'm looking forward to running some Corvette Club autox's next year just to get off these shitty little honda courses our region builds.

You should make a trip up to one of our auto-x's. They usually hit the limits of which our insurance allows, 70mph.

 

[Slow old poop]

Right, but if you want FULL boost at corner exit, you should keep one foot on the gas through the entire corner. And depending on the particular track, you may have to do this 2 times in a row and it could be deadly.

Apologies, dude. My comments were intended as a general rule. It seems that most racers start out by braking way too much, entering corners slowly, dropping down into a lower gear, and then revving the piss out of their motors to get speed back up. They need to learn to brake in a straight line, turn in, and get back on the gas. Left foot braking and trail braking is not the way to learn this.

Once that's accomplished, the next steo is learning how to carry speed in a higher gear. For most, this is an epiphany, and the turning point for when racers start to go really fast. It's possible to learn this by trial and error, but the best way is with an instructor. The epiphany occurs when you say, "Omigawd, I can't believe I went through there so fast!"

Once you've learned that --as you have--then you can apply left-foot and trail braking in appropriate places.

 

[talonTSIDriver]

Apologies, dude. My comments were intended as a general rule. It seems that most racers start out by braking way too much, entering corners slowly, dropping down into a lower gear, and then revving the piss out of their motors to get speed back up. They need to learn to brake in a straight line, turn in, and get back on the gas. Left foot braking and trail braking is not the way to learn this.

Once that's accomplished, the next steo is learning how to carry speed in a higher gear. For most, this is an epiphany, and the turning point for when racers start to go really fast. It's possible to learn this by trial and error, but the best way is with an instructor. The epiphany occurs when you say, "Omigawd, I can't believe I went through there so fast!"

Once you've learned that --as you have--then you can apply left-foot and trail braking in appropriate places.

I know what you mean, I tell most guys to brake straight and hard, then turn. But as you learn car control, you learn how to brake right up into corner entry and then its gas gas gas!!!

 

[Slow old poop]

I know what you mean, I tell most guys to brake straight and hard, then turn. But as you learn car control, you learn how to brake right up into corner entry and then its gas gas gas!!!

I had an instructor that gave me my epiphany. He kept yelling, "It will stick! It will stick!" I braked, turned in, nailed the throttle flat to the floor and bigawd, it stuck! Holy macaroni!

Hoo boy! I don't know how anybody can possibly learn this by themselves, because the first time you dive into a turn 20 mph faster than before, it is one scary sumbitch. A good instructor--somebody who knows AWD cars--is essential. It might be worth it to go off to a pro school just to learn this.

 

[talonTSIDriver]

I had an instructor that gave me my epiphany. He kept yelling, "It will stick! It will stick!" I braked, turned in, nailed the throttle flat to the floor and bigawd, it stuck! Holy macaroni!

Hoo boy! I don't know how anybody can possibly learn this by themselves, because the first time you dive into a turn 20 mph faster than before, it is one scary sumbitch. A good instructor--somebody who knows AWD cars--is essential. It might be worth it to go off to a pro school just to learn this.

I know this is a winter mod thread, but i think seat time should be considered a winter mod. I learned by riding with a few instructors. At first it scared the living CRAP out of me, you think "oh no, he's not hitting the brakes yet," and then at the last second, its HARD braking and a quick turn and that’s it. Seat time will be the best mod to make you faster, especially for your first few years.

 

[Slow old poop]

I know this is a winter mod thread, but i think seat time should be considered a winter mod. I learned by riding with a few instructors. At first it scared the living CRAP out of me, you think "oh no, he's not hitting the brakes yet," and then at the last second, its HARD braking and a quick turn and that’s it. Seat time will be the best mod to make you faster, especially for your first few years.

Hear hear! Seat time is worth ten times more than a new turbo in terms of return on investment.

 

[tsiboosted]

Hear hear! Seat time is worth ten times more than a new turbo in terms of return on investment.

Couldnt agree with you more there. On your brake talk in an earlier post. I think people, espeically new to road course racing, would HIGHLY benefit from HPDE's in this category. They teach a lot about braking properly, turn in points, getting back on the throttle etc. Threshold braking and what not as well. I cant tell you how much I learned from going to and still going to HPDE events. Even if you are a solo driver, it still wouldn't hurt you to have an instructor ride along with you at some of the events.

 

[chavez408]

I have so much to learn guys, I cannot wait to learn even more at the track! I am in the habit of breaking too much and have me rev the car way to much because of the lost of speed before the turn. It comes and goes, I just need practice.

 

[Slow old poop]

I have so much to learn guys, I cannot wait to learn even more at the track! I am in the habit of breaking too much and have me rev the car way to much because of the lost of speed before the turn. It comes and goes, I just need practice.

The best way to learn by yourself is to run in high gears. This will force you to maintain momentum through the turn because otherwise you will have to shift down. Eliminate first and second gear completely from your repertoire (except when starting off, of course).

For braking, always brake in a straight line, and get all your downshifting done BEFORE the turn. Don't worry about heel and toe. That's why God invented synchronizers.

Brake as hard as you can for a short a time as you can-this is called threshold braking. Never hit the brakes at any speed over 100mph (you'll eat up your brakes if you do). Just coast on down until you are under 100, then hit them hard. DO NOT eeeeease down on the brakes and hold them on for a long time, like you do on the street. This heats them up worse than hitting them hard. Get on, get off!

It's brake/downshift, lift off the brakes, turn in, ease down on the throttle, and accelerate through the apex all the way to corner out. In third or fourth gear, of course.

Also, learn the difference between fade and boiled fluid: If you have a hard pedal, but the car doesn't want to stop, you have fade. Most likely your pads are wore down. Change the pads. If your pedal goes to the floor, but pumps back up, you have boiled the fluid. Bleed the brakes at the next opportunity.

Good luck. Get instruction, too.