What Turbo is this? [Merged] Turbo ID Identification

[Gostlrs]

Trying to figure out what turbo just came on my project..can anyone help me out with what it is

Pn 757197-5004

 

[DSMnoobsause]

well doing a Google search i found this. the S on the end May mean ball bearing. but i don't know. maybe yours is.
D&W Performance 757197-5004S - Garrett Cartridge TA3408R 50 Trim Compressor

 

[Gostlrs]

I found the same things when I searched..Good thing is it seems to be an expensive one..I was thinking it was some ebay special at first look

 

[2gnt]

what turbo is this?
http://www.dsmtuners.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=120257&catid=searchresults&searchid=60124
all i know is that it is a Borg Warner turbo it is a t04b23 part number 313096 it has a t3 divided flange
can anyone help?

 

[jordancespedes4]

Just snaped this pic . Got this from a friend he said it came. From a commins turbo truck or somethig like that .if you guys look close the compresor wheel says 141k on one of the blades . What do you guys think

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[GRAVEDIGGER]

Just snaped this pic . Got this from a friend he said it came. From a commins turbo truck or somethig like that .if you guys look close the compresor wheel says 141k on one of the blades . What do you guys think

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Do you have a picture of the whole turbo? Is there a tag on it anywhere? The 141k is probably because it came off of a truck with 141k miles on it.

 

[JusMX141]

all i know is that it is a Borg Warner turbo it is a t04b23 part number 313096 it has a t3 divided flange
can anyone help?

You've already stated everything that could be deciphered by photos. Without wheel specs, we can't help you.

Whatever it is, it's designed to operate at lower boost pressures by the compressor design....and the turbine housing a/r is rather large. Basically it's the opposite of what you'd want to install on a DSM.

Just snaped this pic . Got this from a friend he said it came. From a commins turbo truck or somethig like that .if you guys look close the compresor wheel says 141k on one of the blades . What do you guys think

Looks like some sort of knockoff to me. I believe the guy you got it from was bullshitting you.

 

[jordancespedes4]

You've already stated everything that could be deciphered by photos. Without wheel specs, we can't help you.

Whatever it is, it's designed to operate at lower boost pressures by the compressor design....and the turbine housing a/r is rather large. Basically it's the opposite of what you'd want to install on a DSM.


Looks like some sort of knockoff to me. I believe the guy you got it from was bullshitting you.

Probably he was . Hope this holds till I can buy a real garret t3t4

 

[JusMX141]

Cummins engines use Holset turbos specifically, and that's definitely no Holset.

Ford Powerstrokes use a Garrett unit which is a reverse-rotation turbo, much like the turbos on Evo's. This is not a reverse-rotation Garrett.

Older GM diesels used different variations of the BW GM turbo; your turbo is close in styling but has a much larger compressor wheel.


The "generic" appearance of the cover and 12-point hex locknut lead me to believe it's a knockoff of some sort. Hope you didn't pay too much.

 

[Archer Fabrications]

ok i know that i have other threads pertaining to the FP red, but i was curious if what im about to drop serious cash on is in fact ACTUALLY an FP RED i only have 2 pictures.

 

[JusMX141]

Judging by the clipped TD06H turbine and "FP" stamp visible on the turbine housing, I'll go all-in on yes.

 

[Archer Fabrications]

thanks! didnt even see the FP stamp there hahahahaah good eye

funny thing is i sent this pic to FP both of them actually, and their techs couldent figure out what it was... how stupid is that.

 

[Archer Fabrications]

alright guys i decided to pick up an SCM6152 BB 1000 bucks, should do nicely! it has a 35R exhaust wheel, and S cover with a welded elbow to the driver side!

if anyone knows anything about this turbo, it'll be goin on a 2.0 id appreciate it

 

[JusMX141]

Wrong- it has a GT35R compressor wheel- the turbine is a Garrett T352 (Stage 5).

In journal-bearing form this is probably the worst bolt-on turbo you can buy for a DSM. It's unreliable as hell, laggy, and if you're lucky enough to get the DSM bolt-on turbine housing you're stuck with a setup which doesn't support enough turbine flow to allow the compressor to breathe to it's potential. Basically you'll have all the lag of an actual 35R but the airflow potential of something a bit smaller which will spool quicker. Swapping to a T3-flanged .63 a/r (or larger) turbine housing will remedy this, but will come at the cost of even more lag.

In regards to the reliability concern, there don't seem to be any issues with PTE's ball bearing units when oiled properly- but their journal bearing turbos are literally less-reliable on DSM's than most Chinese turbos sold on eBay.

I look for this turbo to get phased out of production soon with all of the available turbos in it's price range now utilizing billet compressor wheels which offer both quicker spool and better efficiency than this unit.

 

[jordancespedes4]

Cummins engines use Holset turbos specifically, and that's definitely no Holset.

Ford Powerstrokes use a Garrett unit which is a reverse-rotation turbo, much like the turbos on Evo's. This is not a reverse-rotation Garrett.

Older GM diesels used different variations of the BW GM turbo; your turbo is close in styling but has a much larger compressor wheel.


The "generic" appearance of the cover and 12-point hex locknut lead me to believe it's a knockoff of some sort. Hope you didn't pay too much.

man you sure know your turbos man . i didnt pay much for it so im good i guess i ll just use it for the winter and get something good for the spring , but thanks anyways

 

[AWD_FIEND]

I'm a property manager for foreclosed homes and while I was cleaning out a farm house I found this Holset HX35W turbo in pieces on a bench. I knew enough about Holsets to know what it was and decided to keep it despite the fact it's missing the turbine and compressor wheels, and that it's origin is unknown. I've read all the Holset threads but nothing specifically revealed what I was in possession of, in fact based on what I know something isnt right about my setup.

Here's what's strange. Based on what I've read an HX35W indicates it should have an internal wastegate, but the turbine housing doesnt have a flapper or look anything like a cummins HX35 turbine. Is this because it's from an industrial application (there was a lot of farm tractors on site)? The turbine housing also has a V-Band downpipe flange which isnt normal for an HX35W either. My only conclusion is this is an aftermarket housing but I'm not sure. I looked up the turbine housing part number from the compressor cover and wasnt able to identify what I have (photos).

So what am I working with?
What would be your recommendation for how to get this thing working again?

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[DSMTyson]

My friend has the same housing on his Big H1C. I'm pretty sure the older cummins didn't run internal wastegates. But the fact that the compressor housing says HX35W either tells me that the compressor housing is from an HX35 and the turbine housing is from an H1C OR it's a HX35 and the guy swapped an old H1C non wastegated housing on it for an external application or another reason.

 

[92AWDHX40]

That looks like a hx35w its printed on the stamp, on the bottom.

 

[bastarddsm]

Yeah its a hx35w probably off a truck, and someone swapped on a older housing off a 92 truck. Its definatly a 21cm housing and it won't be much use on a dsm. You'll have to source a source a smaller housin or a bep. I saw 25psi at about 5300 with an open manifold, and what I think is a 20cm housing.

 

[AWD_FIEND]

My friend has the same housing on his Big H1C. I'm pretty sure the older cummins didn't run internal wastegates.

The H1C housing looks VERY similar but isnt exactly identical from the photos I've seen. The H1C has a large square pad between where the inlet flange and the volute begins where on my housing it's missing. I dont know what that means exactly, whether mine is a different casting of an H1C or if it's something different all together. Is there anyway to identify it from the numbers cast onto it? I'm not saying I think you're wrong cause it looks like you could be right, I just want to find out for sure.

That looks like a hx35w its printed on the stamp, on the bottom.

Uhhhh, yeah...

Yeah its a hx35w probably off a truck, and someone swapped on a older housing off a 92 truck. Its definatly a 21cm housing and it won't be much use on a dsm. You'll have to source a source a smaller housin or a bep. I saw 25psi at about 5300 with an open manifold, and what I think is a 20cm housing.

Yikes 21cm! BTW how can you tell? So will these housings take the HX35 wheels or do I need something different?

Was your 20cm housing twin scroll? I was hoping that would improve boost threshold even if the housing was a little on the loose end.

 

[JusMX141]

8-blade 56mm HX35 with a 21cm turbine housing from an older H1C.

You don't want to use that turbine housing on a DSM as it was designed around a turbo system which had no wastegate and controlled the max boost by the size of the housing alone. The result is going to be excessive lag and slow boost recovery.

If there's no rotating assembly, about the only useful part you have there is the compressor cover IF you're able to find a rotating assembly or a good used CHRA with no cover.

 

[Archer Fabrications]

Wrong- it has a GT35R compressor wheel- the turbine is a Garrett T352 (Stage 5).

In journal-bearing form this is probably the worst bolt-on turbo you can buy for a DSM. It's unreliable as hell, laggy, and if you're lucky enough to get the DSM bolt-on turbine housing you're stuck with a setup which doesn't support enough turbine flow to allow the compressor to breathe to it's potential. Basically you'll have all the lag of an actual 35R but the airflow potential of something a bit smaller which will spool quicker. Swapping to a T3-flanged .63 a/r (or larger) turbine housing will remedy this, but will come at the cost of even more lag.

In regards to the reliability concern, there don't seem to be any issues with PTE's ball bearing units when oiled properly- but their journal bearing turbos are literally less-reliable on DSM's than most Chinese turbos sold on eBay.

I look for this turbo to get phased out of production soon with all of the available turbos in it's price range now utilizing billet compressor wheels which offer both quicker spool and better efficiency than this unit.

this turbo was modified to have a GT35R EXHAUST wheel. is what the guy said, hes very knowelageable about turbos.... its the stock compressor wheel, but he swapped the turbine for a 35R wheel. and yeah it is a BB turbo so you think it should do alright on a 2.0? shooting for 10 sec 1/4 mile if i hit the track.

oh ps. it is a DSM Flange.. but its ported.

 

[JusMX141]

this turbo was modified to have a GT35R EXHAUST wheel. is what the guy said, hes very knowelageable about turbos....

So am I, and I know enough that you can't put a ball bearing GT turbine into a journal bearing T-style center housing. If it has a GT35R turbine, then the turbo itself is a GT35R and not a 6152.

its the stock compressor wheel, but he swapped the turbine for a 35R wheel. and yeah it is a BB turbo so you think it should do alright on a 2.0? shooting for 10 sec 1/4 mile if i hit the track.

oh ps. it is a DSM Flange.. but its ported.

You can port it until there's a hole in the side of the housing and it won't make the nozzle area or the critical area around the turbine wheel any larger or better-flowing.

In layman's terms, your funnel can be the size of a 55-gallon drum, but if the outlet is the size of a dime, that's the amount it's going to flow.

 

[AWD_FIEND]

8-blade 56mm HX35 with a 21cm turbine housing from an older H1C.

You don't want to use that turbine housing on a DSM as it was designed around a turbo system which had no wastegate and controlled the max boost by the size of the housing alone. The result is going to be excessive lag and slow boost recovery.

If there's no rotating assembly, about the only useful part you have there is the compressor cover IF you're able to find a rotating assembly or a good used CHRA with no cover.

Important question, will the HX35 Turbine wheel fit in this housing? I never said I was planning on using it on my DSM

 

[JusMX141]

H1C's and HX35's use the same turbine wheel. If you're using it on it's original-intended application (5.9L Cummins), then expect maximum boost with the 21cm turbine housing to be around 20-22psi depending on load.