Round #2 2009 14b keeps chipping away...

[boosted240]

Ok well it was the mag**s gasket. And the black dot is where it burnt through at

 

[habitatguy187]

Ok, that's the egr valve spot not the egt. Clears up a lot.

 

[Phil1320]

Looking forward to the results! When I gutted my 1ga doors I removed 20 lbs per side, I then figured I could remove another 5 lbs per door. So a good 50 lbs is possible, plus removing the talon effects is a couple more lbs per side, not much but it all counts.

As I said before, hope you snag that record back!

It's definitely worth it put it that way. I did not do the gutting on these doors, they were actually done by Leon R. and were on his car when he went 11.64. The passenger door is VERY light compared to my original door with the power window stuff and of course the side impact beams. The driver door is heavier as is still has a regulator and roll up window etc. I was told the impact beams weigh in around 15 lbs. each. Anyway, it should help a tad I suppose. I wish I had the control arms and rear 1/4 windows in because this will probably be the lightest the car will ever be. If I do any more "advanced" weight reduction in the future I will only be countering the added weight of a rollbar/cage.

Thanks for the words....I'd like to hold the record again, but, the all time record is still Joe B. at 10.84, granted, that was a purpose built machine that I would have to mimic in almost every way, including fully built motor, fuel system with 1 gallon fuel cell, lexan windshield, etc., to even challenge as I've said before.

But, for AWD 14B it's possible. And for stock engine/turbo I'm there. For least modded DSM I'm there. For basic bolt-on DSM I'm there. The one thing that I have on my side is that there aren't many, if any, original stock engines out there any more. Although I happen to know where two cars are that match that description

Either way, it is what it is and I'm gonna give it one last go for this year. Based on what happens, I'll make a decision about next year. Adding a 100 lb. cage into the car isn't going to make it quicker, but throwing an EVO 3 16G in after that might......

Should be interesting. I think I've seen a 60' time on the 14b list of 1.51 which may be the best out there. I've gone 1.54. So, I will try to grab top spot in that category. Lots of people around here seem to think the car is capable of 1.3 sixty foots with the stutterbox in place. Not sure about all that craziness, but, 1.4X is realistic to me.

Only time will tell. But, I guess that's why I've stuck with this so long. I like the numbers game. I love to analyze my slips vs. other guys like Dave Womer. Sometimes it's tenths of a second, sometimes, like now, it's one-hundredths of a second. When I was working on the talon yesterday, I thought wow, all this time spent out of several days, all for a couple of tenths of a second. That is what it takes though. And I believe that many people don't want to devote the time needed and go to the extremes that need to be met in order to get that next tenth of a second. Many just bolt on more power. So, I pat myself on the back, and admire guys up here that Maximize set-ups before bolting up the next configuration, Dave definitely fits that description.

In fact, some friends chuckled at me when they found out I actually keep the top ten off the 14b list in my wallet! I pull it out and reference it here and there. And, when I'm at the strip, I know exactly where I stand. Didn't need to pull it out last time though when I hit the 11.59, I knew I had jumped another spot!

The goal this time out is to best my 11.59 first and foremost. So, if it's 11.55 I'm happy.
Goal number two would be besting Dave's 11.51 effort.
Goal number three would be besting Nate's 11.44 effort.
Final goal is two tenths better than the last outing's 11.59, so 11.39.

If all goals are met, that would be the "perfect" season close for me.

If only goal number one is met, it's still a great day.

If I run personal best 60' times, and personal best 1/8, but not 1/4, still a great day.

So, that's it!

I'll take this time to thank SBstar for his ongoing and strong support of my efforts.

Also, pneumo, for supplying me with what will hopefully be the ticket to, well, going sub 11.50 and edging him out! All joking aside, it's a pretty good day when a guy that has the same goal as you, a competitor of yours, reaches out to lend expertise and help. Even when the "chips" are down on his side. I appreciate you helping my efforts Dave with the chip, and I hope we can see the fruits of your labor.

Phil

 

[Gooberlog]

Phil don't stop now. This is the most progress your car has seen in the last five years or so. Your a big motivation to all of us. Every time i read your threads, I'm reminded of my goal with my car of beating my old 14b record, and you remind me how possible it is. Even if you upgraded to a 16g no one would give you a hard time. It would not be like your taking an easy way out. You've done just about as much as you can do to propel the 14b with out making your car a straight tuna can. To remind people that you still have no logging device to make adjustments on and that your on the original bottom end should drop jaws. You still have a few parts to install on your car to help you reach your goals, so with your driving, I say it's only time before you see them. I think it's a little to soon to take the 1g off the 1320.

 

[SBstar]

No Phil, Thank you! Finally, after I get this ecu fixed I should be hitting the track this year, a first year goal of some 13's. This winter I'll get that fmic installed, again thanks for the pictures, and hopefully add a few more goodies. Next year should be a blast.

 

[Phil1320]

From personal experience from my car and our shop car the intake manifold gasket will burn through where the egt is. It gets to hot and burns right through and give you a nasty boost leak. I hope you have a better experience then we did. But we figure after 4 of them doing the same thing we would just use a stock one. Good luck, car is awesome.

Damn......after reading this I may just hold on the gaskets until after this last outing. Of course I don't drive the car much but at the strip. Although, it would suck to have that happen at the road course and more likely as you're running full bore for 20-25 mins at a time.

Thanks for the props! And the heads up with the gaskets.....

 

[Phil1320]

Phil don't stop now. This is the most progress your car has seen in the last five years or so. Your a big motivation to all of us. Every time i read your threads, I'm reminded of my goal with my car of beating my old 14b record, and you remind me how possible it is. Even if you upgraded to a 16g no one would give you a hard time. It would not be like your taking an easy way out. You've done just about as much as you can do to propel the 14b with out making your car a straight tuna can. To remind people that you still have no logging device to make adjustments on and that your on the original bottom end should drop jaws. You still have a few parts to install on your car to help you reach your goals, so with your driving, I say it's only time before you see them. I think it's a little to soon to take the 1g off the 1320.

Thanks Travis! Also, for being one of my biggest supporters as well! You've definitely known me for a while now.

There are definitely plenty of things left on the table, no doubt. There is ALOT I could do. We will see. Even things like porting the outlet on the compressor housing. Clipping the turbine wheel for instance. I know many people have done those things and they may help, but, who knows. It's tough to say. Or how bout Extrudehone the intake mani? There are just plenty of things that I can try but not sure if I will.

Dave(pneumo) makes 29 more horsepower at the wheels than I do. So, with that, there is definitely power to be made over what I have now. But, I've created a hypothetical brick wall with making power when I DON'T install the cams, or the balance shaft removal, etc. I just don't want to mess with the engine until need be, I truly think I'll regret it.

But, as I've said, sub 11.50, time for roll-bar/cage, now we start going the other way with weight reduction....adding weight back in. Obviously, weight reduction has played a huge part in making the talon quicker. That trend is nearing it's end for the most part. So, the time will come when I need to think about making more power, and that may be the point where I stop with the 14b, and bolt on the 16g to that same motor with just the chip and AFC and see what that brings.

I may have a tiny bit of upper RPM power coming my way with the chip, that may be significant....I keep forgetting about that. But, above that, not sure what else I can do. Not sure that DSM link would get me much over the chip with my current configuration. And, like I said, now, I will get into some larger money spending, that I would most likely rather put into some Wilwood brakes and some sick wheels and tires for the road course.

That's my thought process now anyway. Travis I appreciate your vote for the talon to stay a drag racer for now and it will be included in all of my considerations when I decide what to do for 2010!

Glad all you guys believe it's far from over with the 14 and let's hope it's not!

 

[Phil1320]

No Phil, Thank you! Finally, after I get this ecu fixed I should be hitting the track this year, a first year goal of some 13's. This winter I'll get that fmic installed, again thanks for the pictures, and hopefully add a few more goodies. Next year should be a blast.

You are welcome, anytime! I hope you get it together and do get some runs in. I'm sure your goal of 13 second ET's will be met, and there are some other little secrets that I can let you in on(yes, you too Gooberlog) for some extra speed even with the bare bones stock parts. Make sure you have good portwork on the turbine housing, O2 sensor housing, and manifold. Just for starters. Proper MAF mods, and there's some other little things as well. Let me know if you guys are interested

Next year will be a blast for sure!

 

[boosted240]

Ok, that's the egr valve spot not the egt. Clears up a lot.

O sorry i thought i put egr. Must of accidently hit the t. Sorry for the mixup.

 

[boosted240]

Damn......after reading this I may just hold on the gaskets until after this last outing. Of course I don't drive the car much but at the strip. Although, it would suck to have that happen at the road course and more likely as you're running full bore for 20-25 mins at a time.

Thanks for the props! And the heads up with the gaskets.....

Yea no problem. I just dont wanna see it happen to you ### i know how much it sux. Especially when you spend that much money on a gasket when if you had spent $2 on a stock one it wouldnt have happened. And the only thing we could figure out that caused it was the 2-step, because the race car doesn't see the street, we make a pass and drive it to the pits thats it. Good luck with the car.

 

[bullettdsm]

but throwing an EVO 3 16G in after that might......

Do that and we'll be tangling

Should be interesting. I think I've seen a 60' time on the 14b list of 1.51 which may be the best out there. I've gone 1.54....... Not sure about all that craziness, but, 1.4X is realistic to me.

Agreed. Really 1.5's a awfully nice. I think 1.4's will be a push.

Only time will tell. But, I guess that's why I've stuck with this so long. I like the numbers game. I love to analyze my slips vs. other guys like Dave Womer. Sometimes it's tenths of a second, sometimes, like now, it's one-hundredths of a second.

Really? I hadn't noticed

In fact, some friends chuckled at me when they found out I actually keep the top ten off the 14b list in my wallet!

And I'll take full credit. All in good fun.

The goal this time out is to best my 11.59 first and foremost. So, if it's 11.55 I'm happy.
Goal number two would be besting Dave's 11.51 effort.
Goal number three would be besting Nate's 11.44 effort.
Final goal is two tenths better than the last outing's 11.59, so 11.39.

I think all these goals will be reachable.

Also, I agree with holding off on the gasket. I don't think it will be worth the concern should soemthing go wrong.

Should be a fun day as usual.

MB

 

[frankozz]

Do you have videos of your runs?

 

[Phil1320]

Do that and we'll be tangling




Agreed. Really 1.5's a awfully nice. I think 1.4's will be a push.


Really? I hadn't noticed




And I'll take full credit. All in good fun.


I think all these goals will be reachable.

Also, I agree with holding off on the gasket. I don't think it will be worth the concern should soemthing go wrong.

Should be a fun day as usual.

MB

Yo Mark! Totally all in good fun! This is a funny post! Yeah, 1.4's might be tough, but if the stutterbox doesn't get me a gain out of the hole, then I'll take back over the launching responsibilites if you know what I mean. So, the computer better be able to launch better than me!!!!

Yep, better hold on the gasket for now. Definitely not worth a problem of some sort.

I hope you're right about the goals, but, I believe the same.

It will be a fun day as usual!

 

[Phil1320]

Do you have videos of your runs?

Unfortunately, I do not have any video's of the 11 second passes I've made this year. Someone on our local board had one, it may be on Youtube. I'll search and let you know.

 

[SBstar]

Beg borrow and steal to get someone to video tape the 16th!

 

[bullettdsm]

Unfortunately, I do not have any video's of the 11 second passes I've made this year. Someone on our local board had one

Let me check.

MB

 

[Nate Crisman]

Good luck on 16th. I totally hear you on hitting the brick wall with weight reduction where all the things left to do either cost big $ or really mess up the car for "other use". I'm at the same part with my vr4, where the money spent on light brakes and carbon body parts would be more effective in buying power producing parts.

I would LOVE to see what your car can do with just the most basic of power producing parts:
Evo316g
mild street cams (hks 264/272 or like)
extrude intake or a basic smim.

I'd bet you would end up in the high 10's with 10mph more.

 

[Ludachris]

Good luck on 16th. I totally hear you on hitting the brick wall with weight reduction where all the things left to do either cost big $ or really mess up the car for "other use". I'm at the same part with my vr4, where the money spent on light brakes and carbon body parts would be more effective in buying power producing parts.

I would LOVE to see what your car can do with just the most basic of power producing parts:
Evo316g
mild street cams (hks 264/272 or like)
extrude intake or a basic smim.

I'd bet you would end up in the high 10's with 10mph more.

Wow, Nate Crisman, now there's a name I haven't heard in a while. Hope things are going well man.

Nice job Phil. Still waiting to see some pics of that beast in the gallery!

 

[Phil1320]

Beg borrow and steal to get someone to video tape the 16th!

I will do my best to get some coverage!

 

[Phil1320]

Let me check.

MB

That's right! You said the wifey might have got some of my passes! Please post them if so!

 

[Phil1320]

Good luck on 16th. I totally hear you on hitting the brick wall with weight reduction where all the things left to do either cost big $ or really mess up the car for "other use". I'm at the same part with my vr4, where the money spent on light brakes and carbon body parts would be more effective in buying power producing parts.

I would LOVE to see what your car can do with just the most basic of power producing parts:
Evo316g
mild street cams (hks 264/272 or like)
extrude intake or a basic smim.

I'd bet you would end up in the high 10's with 10mph more.

Thanks Nate! Exactly my thoughts......messing up the car for other use is the big one. And, yes, of course, extended money spending on the effort kinda defeats the purpose, and defeats the savings account!

I hear you with the power vs. lightweight parts......no doubt more effective in power producing parts.

Your basic outline above seems pretty cool, so 10's at 126...jeez that would be pretty sick.
I think without the "extreme" lightweight drag only set-up and/or fully built motor that it would take a 16G to put me in the 10's. It is always a thought. I think this outing on the 16th will help if not fully make me be able to decide which route to take.

I do have some cams from FP that were designed for the 14b powerband that I haven't installed. FP1X prototypes.

Maybe I'll send out an intake to Extrudehone this winter season. I've always been interested in it, and way back Chris Tichy used one to hit [email protected] on a small 16g, so, I figured it can't hurt!

I'll do my best!

 

[Phil1320]

Wow, Nate Crisman, now there's a name I haven't heard in a while. Hope things are going well man.

Nice job Phil. Still waiting to see some pics of that beast in the gallery!

Chris! We all come out of the woodwork sooner or later, that is if DSM's are IN your blood!

Thanks for the props! I do have some pics up in the gallery I thought!? They are at least in my profile, I thought they automatically are included in the 1G gallery? Thankfully my lack of computer skills doesn't transfer to driving skills. Correct me if I'm wrong? Also, trying to get a pic to you for the calendar. I don't know about all those pixels and crap though. It was a professional pic from the last outing that I think would be nice to have included in this years calendar. I've got to get in touch with the guys who took it and see if they'll let me use it.

Talk to you soon.

 

[Gooberlog]

+1 vote for phils car in the 2010 Calendar

 

[Phil1320]

+1 vote for phils car in the 2010 Calendar

Thanks Travis!!!

 

[bastarddsm]

Whats the fastest full weight 14b time?