3rd and FINAL Round 2009: 14b Talon ends the season on a high..

[SBstar]

Looking slick Phil! Family car with attitude! Gotta love the white as well.

 

[Phil1320]

Looking slick Phil! Family car with attitude! Gotta love the white as well.

Thanks!!! I really only wanted a white one. Finally, I can make up for not getting a white talon! Honesly, I've been happy with the red in hindsight, it's been awesome. I've been trying to clean it up as best I can, obviously it looks better in pics than in person, but, it's fairly clean. The only thing aesthetically that bothers me with the Galants, including mine, is the black door frames fade and the "corners" on the windshield and rear window fade to chrome. I've colored the window trim seals with permanent marker for now. It won't last super long. As far as the door window frames, the driver side is worse as you can see from the pics, passenger side is ok. I thought about painting them in satin black, but what a tape job I would need on the whole car. So, I'm gonna do what most cars have these days and use vinyl to cover it and that will be fine. And, won't have to worry about black spray anywhere. Call me crazy, but this is my biggest pet peev with these cars. There are some sick Galants out there with alot of time and money spent on them, and these two simple things are not addressed, and IMHO it makes these cars look like crap.

UPDATE TALON: Even though the possibilty of me racing next year is super slim as I've said elsewhere, I've decided to not let that get me down, and I have already started to work on the things that I can, which means things I already have:

-Polk A-Arms
-Cams/Gears
-rear 1/4 lexan

.......and, my all-time favorite~WEIGHT REDUCTION! ......:

I think it's blog time.......

 

[Gooberlog]

Man i'm jealous for your galant. It looks really nice. Glad everything worked out well with all the maintenance.
Working on the talon with the parts you already have will give you something to do and something to look forward to. Keep it up Phil.

 

[Phil1320]

Man i'm jealous for your galant. It looks really nice. Glad everything worked out well with all the maintenance.
Working on the talon with the parts you already have will give you something to do and something to look forward to. Keep it up Phil.

Don't be jealous! but, seriously, thanks! So, far, so good, gotta get out there and drive it some and then come back for an inspection. I may even pull the timing cover back off in a couple weeks to see if the crank seal is holding well, and to see if the rear balance shaft/oil pump seal is leaking. It was so nasty in there I couldn't tell, I'm hoping it was just oil from the leaking crank seal that got up in there.

I am still motivated to work on the talon......and hope somehow the work will pay off next year at some point. I have started a blog, but have to get my first entry in there. So, check it out soon!

I've got the insurance card for the VR4, tomorrow register it, then I can give some impressions.

Ok, a couple updates. Drove the galant for the first time today. It drives very well, however, I knew I'd find some things to nit-pick. It needs an alignment, but it's not off bad.....with new tires on there though, I will try to get that done sooner than later. It has a "whine" of sorts, especially at highway speeds, when I let off the throttle, it goes away, I'm thinking maybe the bearings in the tranny are making this noise. You can hear some gear whine as well, when letting off throttle, nothing crazy, but, it's there. I may need to do front strut bearings.....I hear a clunk sometimes, just speculating. It shifts well, glad about that. Overall though, I had fun, glad to have an AWD DSM on the road again. It handles very well for being bone stock and 190k on the clock.

Took it through emissions, no prob there, very clean.

Wanted to do some more investigating when I got home so took aircan out, filter is a bit dirty, will replace that. Looked at MAF, there's no lower honeycomb and no sign that one was ever there! Weird. I'm wondering if all GVR4's came with no lower honeycomb right from Japan? I'd like to swap my modded talon MAF in, apparently it works, even though my Talon is a '90. There was an air silencer in there. See ya to that, it's out already! I'm used to driving cars that are a bit quicker....it's fairly lazy in 1st and 2nd gears. 3rd seems to pull the nicest for whatever reason. I checked the turbo via the compressor side, spins freely and seems to have normal play, cool. So, it's time already to employ all possible free mods. I can't have my pick-up being quicker than the VR4. I think I'll pick up a K & N too. Those factory style filters suck.

Here is the blog I started for anyone interested:

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/blogs/phil1320/834-short-history-talon.html

Thanks for reading!

 

[Phil1320]

Man i'm jealous for your galant. It looks really nice. Glad everything worked out well with all the maintenance.
Working on the talon with the parts you already have will give you something to do and something to look forward to. Keep it up Phil.

Whelp, as great as the Galant is in physical condition......it has ended up needing some extended work. When I got the car, I thought it was pretty slow. Everyone said, "it's stock, 20 years old, and heavier than the DSM." Good points, BUT, I knew it should have had a bit more snap. It would pull nice on the highway over 4000 rpm only though. It was a slug from a stop, and on low rpm roll ons. Sometimes idle was super low and stalled here and there.

So, I could smell exhaust in the cabin, I knew I had a leak somewhere. The car felt slow to me and as if it took forever for the turbo to spool. I estimated a 16.0 1/4 mile time at best, maybe about 85 MPH. So, here's what was wrong and there will be some pics to follow:

1. ECU caps leaked--BAD causing some damage
2. ISC motor failed--seized in closed position
3. Exhaust manifold cracked in at least 3 places--could feel exhaust on the bottom of my hand at idle
4. Turbine housing is really cracked and chunks of iron are missing especially in the wastegate area--looks to be a result of a clogged Cat. There are cracks at the area where the housing clamps to the center section of the turbo
5. Injector seals leaking
6. Cat is clogged pretty good and powder falls from inside it

So, I've got a few repairs to make. Once you look at the pics it will be easy for you to see why the VR4 was so slow. Having trouble uploading.....

 

[Gooberlog]

Whelp, as great as the Galant is in physical condition......it has ended up needing some extended work. When I got the car, I thought it was pretty slow. Everyone said, "it's stock, 20 years old, and heavier than the DSM." Good points, BUT, I knew it should have had a bit more snap. It would pull nice on the highway over 4000 rpm only though. It was a slug from a stop, and on low rpm roll ons. Sometimes idle was super low and stalled here and there.

So, I could smell exhaust in the cabin, I knew I had a leak somewhere. The car felt slow to me and as if it took forever for the turbo to spool. I estimated a 16.0 1/4 mile time at best, maybe about 85 MPH. So, here's what was wrong and there will be some pics to follow:

1. ECU caps leaked--BAD causing some damage
2. ISC motor failed--seized in closed position
3. Exhaust manifold cracked in at least 3 places--could feel exhaust on the bottom of my hand at idle
4. Turbine housing is really cracked and chunks of iron are missing especially in the wastegate area--looks to be a result of a clogged Cat. There are cracks at the area where the housing clamps to the center section of the turbo
5. Injector seals leaking
6. Cat is clogged pretty good and powder falls from inside it

So, I've got a few repairs to make. Once you look at the pics it will be easy for you to see why the VR4 was so slow. Having trouble uploading.....

Phil I'm sorry to hear you found so many issues with this galant. I also understand that the talon takes your interest a lot more in the dsm world than the vr4, but this car actually makes sense for you right now. Family man that also wants a street-able car, you could do some basic mods to this and have a nice little cruise around car. Like your evo's but with out the payments!

Alright so to get there, we would need to fix up the issues at hand soon and for cheap. Hey, this is a dsm site right? Cheap is the name of the game.

1.I think if your ecu is leaking bad, the classifieds might be your best bet. I imagine you should be able to run a turbo 1g dsm ecu in that car with no issues. They go fairly cheap especially w/o eprom
2. Now a junk yard might yield cheaper results, but here's a site with quality ISCs: DSMISC Automotive (New ISC Supplier)
3. When i install my HX35 i'll be selling my friend my high flowing hot parts, i can see if he would donate or sell really cheap his turbine housing and stock manifold which i believe are both in good to fair shape
4. see #3
5. There are many place that have these but here is one: 1g 2g DSM Lower Injector Seals Mitsubishi Eclipse Talon : eBay Motors (item 380115258678 end time Apr-28-10 15:31:56 PDT)
6. I'm guessing with a clogged cat, you have three options. A) replace it with a stock cat B) replace it with a small straight pipe or C) replace it with a 3" straight exhaust.....but since you're looking for cheap you could probably use the stock converter i took off my laser

 

[Phil1320]

Phil I'm sorry to hear you found so many issues with this galant. I also understand that the talon takes your interest a lot more in the dsm world than the vr4, but this car actually makes sense for you right now. Family man that also wants a street-able car, you could do some basic mods to this and have a nice little cruise around car. Like your evo's but with out the payments!

Alright so to get there, we would need to fix up the issues at hand soon and for cheap. Hey, this is a dsm site right? Cheap is the name of the game.

1.I think if your ecu is leaking bad, the classifieds might be your best bet. I imagine you should be able to run a turbo 1g dsm ecu in that car with no issues. They go fairly cheap especially w/o eprom
2. Now a junk yard might yield cheaper results, but here's a site with quality ISCs: DSMISC Automotive (New ISC Supplier)
3. When i install my HX35 i'll be selling my friend my high flowing hot parts, i can see if he would donate or sell really cheap his turbine housing and stock manifold which i believe are both in good to fair shape
4. see #3
5. There are many place that have these but here is one: 1g 2g DSM Lower Injector Seals Mitsubishi Eclipse Talon : eBay Motors (item 380115258678 end time Apr-28-10 15:31:56 PDT)
6. I'm guessing with a clogged cat, you have three options. A) replace it with a stock cat B) replace it with a small straight pipe or C) replace it with a 3" straight exhaust.....but since you're looking for cheap you could probably use the stock converter i took off my laser

Trav--- thanks, but, it's ok, you've got to expect this stuff. I bought the car because it's core(body and undercarriage)were rust free. I knew I'd have some mechanical stuff to deal with. I'm using my old Extreme ported exhaust mani, and pairing it with my original talon turbine housing that has been ported at the inlet to match the mani. It is not ported on the O2 side as for now I want it to mate with the stock O2 so I can run the stock downpipe into the stock cat back.

So, what I have and still need to do/get:

1. new knock sensor
2. might need new O2 sensor and with all that's happend I may as well
3. injector seals and on one injector the dark brown cover that goes into the seal was cracked--I have my original talon injectors so have that
4. Throttle body is going to be sent out for rebuild
5. Got a working ISC from a friend
6. ECU was sent out, repaired, and socketed--so that's ready to go
7. The stock clogged cat will be modified for better flow
8. Intake manifold needs to be hot tanked as it was nasty
9. EGR valve needs cleaning
10. Proper setting of base timing
11. Idle relearn procedure

That should be it........but with my new job, my time is VERY limited.....so I got the Integra registered for now......meanwhile de-modding my Colorado as much as I can before trading it in on the SUV....

Still having trouble uploading but I got one to go...So, here is one pic of some of the carnage:

 

[SBstar]

^ OUCH

THat does not look healthy. Seems every time you buy a new "dsm" there are a ton of little maintenance things to do. Part of the process and nothing surprises me anymore, including holes in the floor where the previous owner tried to get to the rear diff bolts! Plug away at it, at least none of it is going to break the bank too bad other then the sensors.

 

[Gooberlog]

Yeah just work at it as your time allows. Sounds like you got a hand on the situation. This car should run a lot better once you get it all freshened up!

 

[bullettdsm]

Took it through emissions, no prob there, very clean.

Heh heh, now we know why

Hey hey, my brotha, long time no talk. Tracks are opening up, so my time in here becomes a bit more active. Had a rental at LVD today that got cancelled (good thing - too cold). ALMOST stopped off at the house today because I happened to be passing by (hoping wifey is doing good as well - say "hey" for me), but we'll hook up sometime.

Good to hear the new job has got you busy. Hours = cash = living

MB

 

[pneumo]

Wow! Phil that's the worst turbine housing I've ever seen! and congratz on the new job!

 

[Phil1320]

^ OUCH

THat does not look healthy. Seems every time you buy a new "dsm" there are a ton of little maintenance things to do. Part of the process and nothing surprises me anymore, including holes in the floor where the previous owner tried to get to the rear diff bolts! Plug away at it, at least none of it is going to break the bank too bad other then the sensors.

I could not believe what I saw when I pulled the manifold off. Obviously, I knew I had a problem with the manifold leaking, but I had no idea what else was there.......noone I've shown has seen anything like it.

At least there's no wondering anymore about why the turbo didn't seem to spool.

I expected some work on this car, just not quite this much....but, it's nothing too crazy. The guy who repaired my ECU really gave me a great deal. The sensors will be the only real money spent, well, the T/B rebuild a little, but it should be up and running soon I hope. It should feel like a very different car.

Yeah just work at it as your time allows. Sounds like you got a hand on the situation. This car should run a lot better once you get it all freshened up!

It should be at least what I expected it would be. I knew the car couldn't have been that damn slow. I remember my higher mileage Lasers and how quick they spooled....this thing was the opposite and now we know why But, yes, it should run much nicer......can't wait....should be a fun car after!

Heh heh, now we know why

Hey hey, my brotha, long time no talk. Tracks are opening up, so my time in here becomes a bit more active. Had a rental at LVD today that got cancelled (good thing - too cold). ALMOST stopped off at the house today because I happened to be passing by (hoping wifey is doing good as well - say "hey" for me), but we'll hook up sometime.

Good to hear the new job has got you busy. Hours = cash = living

MB

Seriously, I have been out of the local loop for the most part man. Lots going on, and don't have anywhere near the free time I used to. But, that's ok for now. Gotta prioritize and hopefully fit some fun stuff in between. The Galant passed the emissions test with ok numbers, but, it took a long time on the machine before it passed.....crazy, b/c if you take the cat and hold it vertical, the broken up core starts to fall out! You can't really see much light of day through it.....and it looks fine from either side....but something isn't right there! I'm actually surprised it passed !

Wifey is doing great, thanks for asking, and I'll pass on the "hello."

Yes, let's hook up sometime soon and catch up with news on the projects!

Stop by anytime.....hopefully I'll be here!

Wow! Phil that's the worst turbine housing I've ever seen! and congratz on the new job!

That seems to be the same thing anyone I've shown says after looking at it. It is wasted! Amazingly, the turbine wheel is ok and shaft play is normal. Thanks! It's going very well, but, as I've stated, it takes alot more of my time than I'd like, but it's an enjoyable environment which helps.

Hopefully I'll be able to get the Galant mobile by the end of the month and finally get the Talon to the shop for the rollbar by June.

That's the plan, I just don't know if I'm sticking to it yet, let's hope!

A couple more shots:

 

[talontd92tsi]

Dear LORD. I have never seen an exhaust housing THAT bad.

 

[Phil1320]

Dear LORD. I have never seen an exhaust housing THAT bad.

That seems to be the general consensus. When I saw it, I immediately wondered if anyone had ever seen one like this! I'm only guessing that it is a product of the clogged cat, or a past problem that the car had maybe....either way, I figured some of you here would find interest in seeing it! I'll get a pic of the knock sensor up as soon as I can..........

 

[Gooberlog]

I have never even heard of one being that bad. Phil that car is going to haul ass when your done.

 

[Phil1320]

I have never even heard of one being that bad. Phil that car is going to haul ass when your done.

You're right....it should be a whole new animal!

 

[DRAGIN]

Phil I read a bunch of your thread and looked at the galant pics. It all looks awesome man. We need to hang out sometime.

 

[Phil1320]

Phil I read a bunch of your thread and looked at the galant pics. It all looks awesome man. We need to hang out sometime.

Thanks, glad you like! Definitely, it's been a long time. Those were fun times we had for sure. Talk to you soon!