Do I have an FP 68HTA TD06SL2?

[gofer]

Eric, it looks like FP used a eBay 16g compressor housing and just ground off of "TURBOCHARGER TYPE: DSM/Evo III" on the plate.

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Michael, you're saying the customers of the new revised HTA68 will be VERY happy with this new wheel, what exactly does that mean? Will the 68 see an increase in airflow without sacrificing spool up?

How much would it cost a HTA68 user to upgrade to the new wheel?

 

[Michael@FP]

That's a 65MM turbine which was part of a sale we ran and the product description specifically listed TD06-68HTAs just like what we're doing with the Subaru 68HTA's right now. It's also why it was $750 instead of $1200 because we were building them out of non-standard parts.

The 68HTA was originally built out of a EVO III 16G turbo, then as those got expensive we swapped to use our own bearing housing, compressor covers, and turbine housing with genuine MHI TD05H turbines. Now those are impossible to get we ran a small sale to get rid of some TD06 turbine housings and wheels we're not longer going to be using and now we're using the new wheel.

As for the compressor cover we buy blanks and have them machined for our own wheels. The core shift that's evident in this one is probably the worse I've seen out of all the housings I've looked at but still won't impact performance. Feel free to port that if you wish but you're not going to pick up any performance on it.

-Michael

 

[turbosax2]

That's a 65MM turbine which was part of a sale we ran and the product description specifically listed TD06-68HTAs just like what we're doing with the Subaru 68HTA's right now. It's also why it was $750 instead of $1200 because we were building them out of non-standard parts.

I'm not here to start a pissing match, and there's really nothing I can do about it now, but I was NEVER notified of this. I had emailed you for a deal on the turbo and a manifold in response to your Who wants some bad ass deals on stock frame DSM stuff? thread (which you did make me a nice deal!), then received a quote for the parts. Neither the thread, email, or quote mentioned anything about non-standard parts.

That being said, how will this turbo perform as far as spool is concerned? Quick spool is a concern for me because of autox, and this was relayed to you during first contact.

 

[turtleb00st]

So... Where did the 71hta and green xl go? We're they made obsolete?

Is this new turbine wheel a custom made in Taiwan like the sl2 was?

 

[agentorange313]

So... Where did the 71hta and green xl go? We're they made obsolete?

Is this new turbine wheel a custom made in Taiwan like the sl2 was?

It really doesnt matter where its made, if FP stays on top of quality control, like they do, then it could be made on the moon for all i care, or any of us should care.

Most parts are made over seas anyway, Taiwan, China, Korea etc.

I really want a 68HTA now, I prefer to steer away from the Td05h wheel recently on my builds, I am using larger compressors and trying to keep my EGT temps down and keep surge undercontrol

 

[turtleb00st]

It really doesnt matter where its made, if FP stays on top of quality control, like they do, then it could be made on the moon for all i care, or any of us should care.

Most parts are made over seas anyway, Taiwan, China, Korea etc.

Easy there cowboy I was just asking a question. I currently have a 71hta on my car and couldn't be happier with the product or the customer service I have received...


And about all the quality control... Look a few posts up fp said they had an issue with the appearance of some of the compressor covers. I'm sure it has no effect on perfpance but it goes to show that not everything is perfect. I have OCD and would be a little disappointed seeing that gasket matching up all #### eyed

I like to know what I'm getting charged for as well as I'm sure a few others do. A move to using parts from non Japanese Asian counties should result in a lower cost to us... I'm just trying to see if that lower cost is being passed to us or just increasing the profit margin.

 

[CrackedDSM]

Easy there cowboy I was just asking a question. I currently have a 71hta on my car and couldn't be happier with the product or the customer service I have received...


And about all the quality control... Look a few posts up fp said they had an issue with the appearance of some of the compressor covers. I'm sure it has no effect on perfpance but it goes to show that not everything is perfect. I have OCD and would be a little disappointed seeing that gasket matching up all #### eyed

I like to know what I'm getting charged for as well as I'm sure a few others do. A move to using parts from non Japanese Asian counties should result in a lower cost to us... I'm just trying to see if that lower cost is being passed to us or just increasing the profit margin.

The Chinese compressor cover and "FP" CHRA which I am suspicious about, coupled with the different non-mhi anything makes me lean towards the "increased profit margin" part. $1300 for a turbo that uses an eBay compressor cover, non MHI CHRA, non-MHI turbine wheel is a little ridiculous, even if it is from FP. If you're sourcing parts for cheaper than before, why is it more expensive? I don't understand. Some insight would be great.

 

[agentorange313]

Easy there cowboy I was just asking a question. I currently have a 71hta on my car and couldn't be happier with the product or the customer service I have received...


And about all the quality control... Look a few posts up fp said they had an issue with the appearance of some of the compressor covers. I'm sure it has no effect on perfpance but it goes to show that not everything is perfect. I have OCD and would be a little disappointed seeing that gasket matching up all #### eyed

I like to know what I'm getting charged for as well as I'm sure a few others do. A move to using parts from non Japanese Asian counties should result in a lower cost to us... I'm just trying to see if that lower cost is being passed to us or just increasing the profit margin.

Sorry if you took it personally or whatever matter you did take it in, I didnt mean it like that, I just think it was irrelevant question.

The Chinese compressor cover and "FP" CHRA which I am suspicious about, coupled with the different non-mhi anything makes me lean towards the "increased profit margin" part. $1300 for a turbo that uses an eBay compressor cover, non MHI CHRA, non-MHI turbine wheel is a little ridiculous, even if it is from FP. If you're sourcing parts for cheaper than before, why is it more expensive? I don't understand. Some insight would be great.

If this is indeed the TF06-07 wheel they use with the TF06-18K, its am MHI turbine wheel, well joint venture from FPs description on their website.

Market dictates price, I think that we have been blessed in the DSM community with cheap turbos. Our cars stock come with turbos, allowing them to be plentiful. Now that we are a dieing breed, increase cost of good, and a market that has very few turbos for under 1000, the price really doesnt seem that outrageous for a bolt-on turbo for a 15+ year old cars.

My 2 cents.

 

[turtleb00st]

Sorry if you took it personally or whatever matter you did take it in, I just think it was irrelevant question.



If this is indeed the TF06-07 wheel they use with the TF06-18K, its am MHI turbine wheel, well joint venture from FPs description on their website.

Market dictates price, I think that we have been blessed in the DSM community with cheap turbos. Our cars stock come with turbos, allowing them to be plentiful. Now that we are a dieing breed, increase cost of good, and a market that has very few turbos for under 1000, the price really doesnt seem that outrageous for a bolt-on turbo for a 15+ year old cars.

My 2 cents.

You do understand that even if the compressor wheel is a "mhi" joint venture the whole rest of the turbo is not anything mhi . Including that nasty comp cover.

Once again I have nothing but respect for fp, love my turbo and I'm thankful for the tech support I have received from amber and rob. I planned on buying from them in the future but these new pics and info have me a little worried.

Also remember now that the holsets are blowing up the turbo market, you can have a super high quality, built for the diesel industry turbo for way less. I hate them but it seems like the quality and longevity of them is making up for the issues I Have with them compared to other bolt on turbos.

You can go on eBay your self get some kinugawa/kawasaki parts that are decent quality and build your own bolt on turbo that will rival offerings from many of the Dsm companies for way less.

I would love to see some numbers though with this new turbine wheel as the td05 really chokes these turbos on high boost and e85. I can def see this thing being bad ass and making these small turbos really trap.

 

[Michael@FP]

I'm not here to start a pissing match, and there's really nothing I can do about it now, but I was NEVER notified of this. I had emailed you for a deal on the turbo and a manifold in response to your Who wants some bad ass deals on stock frame DSM stuff? thread (which you did make me a nice deal!), then received a quote for the parts. Neither the thread, email, or quote mentioned anything about non-standard parts.

That being said, how will this turbo perform as far as spool is concerned? Quick spool is a concern for me because of autox, and this was relayed to you during first contact.

At the time of the quote the 68HTA's were listed on the site as TD06-68HTA's I really didn't mean to mis lead you in anyway that's for sure. Just and over site that I didn't think to mention as the website had been updated.

As for performance the 65MM turbine adds a little on the spool side but adds a lot on the flow side. It's kinda like a 5H-20G vs. a 06-20G a little bit of spool for a lot up top. I don't want you to be unhappy with your purchase so I'll give you an opportunity to return it if you want.

So... Where did the 71hta and green xl go? We're they made obsolete?

Is this new turbine wheel a custom made in Taiwan like the sl2 was?

The 71HTA was just the 68HTA w/ a 84MM surge ported cover so instead of having two different part numbers we just added the 84MM surge ported cover to the 68HTA. The Green XL is not a regular part of our line up and was offered to liquidate parts we had a lot of most notably 65MM turbines and 3" compressor covers cut for 76HTA. Those parts are low quantity now so it's been removed as an option.

The Chinese compressor cover and "FP" CHRA which I am suspicious about, coupled with the different non-mhi anything makes me lean towards the "increased profit margin" part. $1300 for a turbo that uses an eBay compressor cover, non MHI CHRA, non-MHI turbine wheel is a little ridiculous, even if it is from FP. If you're sourcing parts for cheaper than before, why is it more expensive? I don't understand. Some insight would be great.

You do understand that even if the compressor wheel is a "mhi" joint venture the whole rest of the turbo is not anything mhi . Including that nasty comp cover.

Once again I have nothing but respect for fp, love my turbo and I'm thankful for the tech support I have received from amber and rob. I planned on buying from them in the future but these new pics and info have me a little worried.

Also remember now that the holsets are blowing up the turbo market, you can have a super high quality, built for the diesel industry turbo for way less. I hate them but it seems like the quality and longevity of them is making up for the issues I Have with them compared to other bolt on turbos.

You can go on eBay your self get some kinugawa/kawasaki parts that are decent quality and build your own bolt on turbo that will rival offerings from many of the Dsm companies for way less.

I would love to see some numbers though with this new turbine wheel as the td05 really chokes these turbos on high boost and e85. I can def see this thing being bad ass and making these small turbos really trap.

We do not buy generic parts from China we do not ring up Ebay.com and order whatever they have. All of our parts are cast to our specifications in small batch runs to help with quality control. If you know anything about casting it's only cheap if it's done in mass quantities think 10,000+ units. Our runs typically consist of 1000 or less units and are only done with facilities that have a proven track record of doing it correctly. Do you think that MHI only gets castings from their own foundries in Japan? No they don't, in fact we have used a couple of foundries that MHI uses that's how we found them.

After we receive the pre-machined parts they are sent off for a round of non destructive testing, cmm, and metallurgy and only after they come back passing those are the parts actually accepted. Core shits are inevitable in cast products and if we felt that it was so poor that it would hinder performance we wouldn't use it or we would correct it with machining. Unlike the ebay turbo builders who buy generic parts designed and manufactured in mass quantities in foundries with no qc we actually have everything built to our specifications, qc'd in house, and machined here. As you can imagine this process is not the cheapest way to do things, it is the best and right way to do things.

We still have an obscenely low failure rate on our turbochargers and we're here 5 days a week 8-9 hours a day answering phones and e-mails to support our product.

-Michael

 

[turtleb00st]

Wow. Mis information all over!!!

The 71hta was not a 68hta with a diff cover. I was told the compressor wheel was different. How else can you explain to me the 48lb min vs 51lb a min you guys put on the turbos. A diff compressor cover is not going to give 3 more lb a mins, especially since the anti surge hosing actually lets air bypass the blades.

71 is for the exducer, the 68 has a 68mm exducer

I find it odd that the smallest turbo you guys now offer spools slower now even if its a minimal diff but lots of customers act like its life and death Lots of people are looking for something super fast spooling and now that is not an option at fp. Personally I could Care less about 100/200rpm diff. Good to nnow my 51lb min turbo spools faster than the new 68

The diff between a 05 and 06 20g is fairy huge to be fair.

Also 1 more question are these "newer" fp turbos coming with upgrades thrust bearings or still the same stuff you guys been using?

I don't know what to say man but this thread is getting worse and worse

 

[YZFR1]

I think one of the even biggest issues in this thread is that this is not going to be a stock appearing turbo any more, at least not much more stock appearing than an ebay evo3 16g.

 

[edged1g]

I think one of the even biggest issues in this thread is that this is not going to be a stock appearing turbo any more, at least not much more stock appearing than an ebay evo3 16g.

Why not? As long as you keep the 16g style compressor cover it is.

 

[94awdcoupe]

The 71HTA was just the 68HTA w/ a 84MM surge ported cover

tis makes me feel better. I bought some of those 71hta evo 9 turbos you had on sale. I was a bit miffed they were 68mm. I though maybe they were on sale because they were 68mm and not the updated 71mm wheel?? so the same is true for the evo8/9 turbos as well?

not complaining at all. just curious...

 

[turtleb00st]

If this is true about the 71s idk what to think. How does a compressor cover give 3 more advertised lbs a min. Also why call it the 71hta and tell me the compressor wheel is bigger than the 68s?

FYI right here the exducer is claimed 71mm

http://store.forcedperformance.net/PROD/NTEVO71HTA.html

 

[Michael@FP]

Wow. Mis information all over!!!

The 71hta was not a 68hta with a diff cover. I was told the compressor wheel was different. How else can you explain to me the 48lb min vs 51lb a min you guys put on the turbos. A diff compressor cover is not going to give 3 more lb a mins, especially since the anti surge hosing actually lets air bypass the blades.

71 is for the exducer, the 68 has a 68mm exducer

I find it odd that the smallest turbo you guys now offer spools slower now even if its a minimal diff but lots of customers act like its life and death Lots of people are looking for something super fast spooling and now that is not an option at fp. Personally I could Care less about 100/200rpm diff. Good to nnow my 51lb min turbo spools faster than the new 68

The diff between a 05 and 06 20g is fairy huge to be fair.

Also 1 more question are these "newer" fp turbos coming with upgrades thrust bearings or still the same stuff you guys been using?

I don't know what to say man but this thread is getting worse and worse

I'm not really sure how anything I said is misinformation, everything I said is factual and true. We never mislead anybody and if something changes with the turbo we might not jump up and down and announce it especially if it's something like increasing the max flow rating of the turbocharger without sacrificing spool. Maybe we should jump up on our soap box and scream buzzwords at people, but that's not our style.

About 2 years ago we quietly changed the compressor wheel from a 49/68 wheel to a 51/68 wheel which uses the inducer spec from the 71HTA wheel with the 68HTA exducer. Which bumped the advertised flow rate from 48 to 51lb a minute. Let's be honest though before the change people had already discovered the flow rate of the 68HTA was well beyond the advertised flow rate. So we made a change for the better and didn't say anything, how is that a bad thing?

As for the difference between a DSM 71HTA and DSM 68HTA the compressor cover was the only difference between the two. We made a decision to call the large cover turbo a 71HTA as not to muddle with a long standing pillar of the DSM community and further confuse people. It didn't work, so I pulled the product page and made the large cover an option on the 68HTA. However internally these turbos used all the same parts and the product description of the 71HTA made it obvious "the 68HTA you know and love now available in our 84MM flow advancement port cover".

As for the situation with the TD06-68HTA our friend has, that is a bit of miscommunication. We were currently selling those turbos he asked for a hook up I gave him a hook up on what we were currently selling assuming that he was aware. I'll take full responsibility for that and if he wants to send me the turbo back for a full refund I'll gladly print him a shipping label and take it back.

You're assuming a lot the Subaru Green has a 76HTA wheel while the Green for EVOs and DSMs use a 73HTA wheel. Just because it shares a part name does not mean they're identical turbochargers. Our turbochargers are built to fit a niche, the Green has long been the 450WHP turbo for a DSM and EVO you need 54LB a minute for that job however for a Subaru it requires a larger compressor and turbine wheel to reach the same goal. The DSM 68HTAs actually use a wheel we designate 7168HTA because it's a hybrid between the two, which is why we called the large cover version a 71HTA. I see now that just caused more confusion, and have corrected it.

Prior to this year we have listed the turbo specs in the product description now we have a standard layout on every product page showing you exactly what size wheels it uses and what type of bearing system. This is partly to blame for the confusion as extracting that data before was difficult and now it's right up at the top and makes it easy for people to see and people understandably have questions/concerns. Which is why I'm here in this thread trying to sort it all out.

We are a company founded on honesty and doing the right thing, if we were intentionally trying to mislead people and sell inferior products we wouldn't be around today and I definitely wouldn't be on the forum talking to you guys.

-Michael

 

[gofer]

About 2 years ago we quietly changed the compressor wheel from a 49/68 wheel to a 51/68 wheel which uses the inducer spec from the 71HTA wheel with the 68HTA exducer. Which bumped the advertised flow rate from 48 to 51lb a minute. Let's be honest though before the change people had already discovered the flow rate of the 68HTA was well beyond the advertised flow rate. So we made a change for the better and didn't say anything, how is that a bad thing?

Is it possible to send in my old HTA68 with the 51/68 wheel and have it upgraded to the 71HTA wheel with the 68HTA exducer? Not bringing the change to light isn't necessarily a bad thing, just frustrating as a customer not knowing exactly what you spent your money on.

I've got an old HTA68 and until now I thought nothing had changed with the compressor wheel, the only thing I noticed was that the advertised airflow increased on the FP site. Back in 2010 I was happy when I dyno'd my car and was logging 48lb/m when I first got it because FP was only advertising 47lb/m airflow. Recently the site showed the turbo's capable of 51lb/m and now I'm thinking I've got a restriction in my setup but in reality the compressor wheel size has increased and its not even the same turbo, which is nice to know.

Thanks for the explaination, Michael.

 

[Michael@FP]

Is it possible to send in my old HTA68 with the 51/68 wheel and have it upgraded to the 71HTA wheel with the 68HTA exducer? Not bringing the change to light isn't necessarily a bad thing, just frustrating as a customer not knowing exactly what you spent your money on.

I've got an old HTA68 and until now I thought nothing had changed with the compressor wheel, the only thing I noticed was that the advertised airflow increased on the FP site. Back in 2010 I was happy when I dyno'd my car and was logging 48lb/m when I first got it because FP was only advertising 47lb/m airflow. Recently the site showed the turbo's capable of 51lb/m and now I'm thinking I've got a restriction in my setup but in reality the compressor wheel size has increased and its not even the same turbo, which is nice to know.

Thanks for the explaination, Michael.

Your compressor wheel measures 51/68? If so then it has the current wheel we use in the 68HTA which is the 7168HTA wheel since it's a hybrid. If it has the older 49/68 wheel we can upgrade it however we don't do upgrades without rebuilds so it would be around $500-600 to do the upgrade.

-Michael

 

[turtleb00st]

91awd claims his turbo has a 68mm wheel when your site claims 71mm????Forced Performance Turbochargers: FP 71HTA Turbocharger for the Evolution IX

I'm just confused. You call the 68hta because it had 68mm wheel. 73 aka green due to its 73mm wheel, 76aka green xl because of 76mm wheel yet the 71hta only uses a 68mm wheel... See how it confusing?

Logically it just doesn't make sense to me to rename a turbo due to a diff compressor housing. The turbo is still the same. That's like calling a red with a 7cm housing s purple.

 

[gofer]

Your compressor wheel measures 51/68? If so then it has the current wheel we use in the 68HTA which is the 7168HTA wheel since it's a hybrid. If it has the older 49/68 wheel we can upgrade it however we don't do upgrades without rebuilds so it would be around $500-600 to do the upgrade.

-Michael

Sorry, 49/68.

The turbo's still in perfect condition so I wouldn't be needing a rebuild so paying for it wouldn't make sense. Good to know if I do need one though...

 

[Alucards_blood]

"the 68HTA you know and love now available in our 84MM flow advancement port cover".

-Michael

How can I get one of these? It would be great if I could send the 16g style compressor cover back and trade it for the downfiring compressor. I'm not sure if the option was available when I ordered back in December but this would work perfectly with my current intercooler piping.

 

[GSLENK]

Any way you could convert a tdo5h 20g to have this wheel? If so how much?

If I can pick up 5+ lb/min for a few hundred $$ I'm all ears. Any ideas on this?

 

[Michael@FP]

Right now upgrading the to new wheel is not available a few months from now when I have a ton of the shafts and housings sitting around it might be a service we offer but right now quantity is limited and we'll be using these on the new turbos.

-Michael

 

[Michael@FP]

How can I get one of these? It would be great if I could send the 16g style compressor cover back and trade it for the downfiring compressor. I'm not sure if the option was available when I ordered back in December but this would work perfectly with my current intercooler piping.

Is yours internally or externally gated?

If it's externally gates it's literally just a compressor cover swap and we sell them for $200.

If it's internal it's a littler trickier since the WGA is different between the two and your current WGA won't bolt up.

-Michael

 

[Michael@FP]

Sorry, 49/68.

The turbo's still in perfect condition so I wouldn't be needing a rebuild so paying for it wouldn't make sense. Good to know if I do need one though...

Yeah sorry for liability reasons we can't make a modification like that to a "used" turbo. No matter what happens if that turbo fails after we do the upgrade it's going to be our fault, so we only do it if we rebuild the turbo at the same time so we know exactly what's going on.

-Michael