Altered Mental Status (1G AWD 5spd)

[BLACK'98DSM]

See what else he's got in the shed while you're down this way. Never hurts to have extras.

 

[CrackedDSM]

See what else he's got in the shed while you're UP this way. Never hurts to have extras.

Fixed it for you.


But that's a good idea. I'll bring a little extra cash. I don't have too giant of a budget though sadly. However we'll see what he's got. You anywhere near him and wanna meet up too?

 

[BLACK'98DSM]

Fixed it for you.


But that's a good idea. I'll bring a little extra cash. I don't have too giant of a budget though sadly. However we'll see what he's got. You anywhere near him and wanna meet up too?

I get so used to saying "down" because damn near everyone on this forum is farther North of me. Florida is an exception though. Send me a message when you're in the area. If it's a junk yard perusing day I'll take a break and go to Bryan's place.

 

[CrackedDSM]

Gonna head this weekend to pick up the transmission. Wish I could've found one for a little cheaper, and a little closer, but alas.


I'll save up my pennies and get this one sent out to someone who will look it over/rebuild it and fix the helicoil/jank. Have them hot-tank and paint it too. Getting antsy, just wanna drive this damn thing already. Still gotta fix the other gremlins like the seatbelts not working and whatever else I am forgetting. But man...I need that first drive. I'm not starting this thing again until it's ready to drive.

 

[CrackedDSM]

Enough of you have commented on my FS ad that I’ve been convinced to take the transmission apart. I have absolutely no clue what I’m gonna be looking at, so stand by in a couple weeks for pictures and videos asking what looks out of place if I don’t find anything glaring.


Legitimately my worst fear is I tear it apart and nothing is wrong. Then I have no clue what’s making that noise. Lol.

 

[CrackedDSM]

Well, transmission in AL fell through. Dude wanted $500 but refused to answer questions on if it had any grinds or issues. After repeatedly asking, his response was "It's a surprise".

For $500, 8 hours round trip of gas, my valuable time, and all the effort to install the transmission, I'm not about to take a chance. There's another transmission in south Florida that I'll probably end up getting. It's the same price, but a longer drive. Ugh, I hate driving to South Florida. Lol.

Or I may honestly just save up the $3k and buy a Jacks Ultimate Ratio trans w/ 4 spider center diff that's for sale. We'll see.

 

[BLACK'98DSM]

That really blows. He should know how to talk directly with people. I have never been treated this way by him before. I'm almost sorry for giving you the lead but I genuinely thought there would be a smooth transaction.

 

[CrackedDSM]

That really blows. He should know how to talk directly with people. I have never been treated this way by him before. I'm almost sorry for giving you the lead but I genuinely thought there would be a smooth transaction.

Nah, shit happens. 100% nowhere near your fault. If I lived within an hour or less of him, I'd probably have bought it anyway. But being far away, counting in gas money, food, other expenses because the wife and kid are gonna come with(don't have to, but I like them and enjoy being around them), and factoring in my already lazy-ass time to install the transmission and test it out...it's not worth being surprised with a grindy POS, or worse it be missing a gear or etc.


Risk vs reward. I do agree he should be more direct, and be more willing to answer a direct question instead of ignoring it or playing games.

 

[CrackedDSM]

Gotta helicoil a few bolts on my current noisy transmission, but once I do I'm gonna just stab it in and see what happens. It'll at least let me drive it down the road just to say it runs and drives.


On God though if I put this transmission in and it's quiet AF/turns out the problem was all old parts, you'll hear me screaming from wherever you live now, 10 states away. (This isn't gonna happen, but just figured I'd put this out into the Ether. Lol. Nothing wrong with a small hit of Copium every once in awhile).

But, this will allow me to fix/adjust the clutch and make sure everything is copacetic, and iron out all the other little bugs that come up/have been ignored. Plus it'll scratch the "I wanna drive this damn car" itch.


Also, renamed the project. "AMS" Talon now means "Altered Mental Status" Talon, because I've honestly got to be crazy for trying to fix up this basket case. Play on words. That honestly may end up being my license plate too. "AMS4G63" or "AMS DSM" or some variation.

 

[chrisman287]

May the lord be with you

 

[DreamChaser7]

Praise Be. May The Lord Open.

 

[CrackedDSM]

Thanks fellas. I’m still gonna disassemble the trans because I need to helicoil a few threads, so pictures will still be posted of the trans internals. I’m not disassembling the gear stacks to look at bearings though because I don’t have a press. Everything else will be here though!


One weird thing though, I was going through videos of the transmission sound, and when I revved the engine, the sound didn’t increase or get louder. Honestly it sounded like it kinda went away, then came back as RPMs dropped. If it’s a bearing or internal trans problem I’d think it’d get louder or faster when you revved it. Again, copium? We’ll find out.

 

[pauleyman]

Thanks fellas. I’m still gonna disassemble the trans because I need to helicoil a few threads, so pictures will still be posted of the trans internals. I’m not disassembling the gear stacks to look at bearings though because I don’t have a press. Everything else will be here though!

Unless you're talking needle bearings you don't need to disassemble. All of the roller and ball bearings will be visible. If you've got one that's bad you'll know it. Hand tools only and you can have the trans apart in 30 min. If you happen to have a junk clutch disk around cut it up, take the splines part to a muffler shop or equivalent and have it welded to a cheap impact socket. I did it years ago for about 5 bucks.

One weird thing though, I was going through videos of the transmission sound, and when I revved the engine, the sound didn’t increase or get louder. Honestly it sounded like it kinda went away, then came back as RPMs dropped. If it’s a bearing or internal trans problem I’d think it’d get louder or faster when you revved it. Again, copium? We’ll find out.

 

[CrackedDSM]

Unless you're talking needle bearings you don't need to disassemble. All of the roller and ball bearings will be visible. If you've got one that's bad you'll know it. Hand tools only and you can have the trans apart in 30 min. If you happen to have a junk clutch disk around cut it up, take the splines part to a muffler shop or equivalent and have it welded to a cheap impact socket. I did it years ago for about 5 bucks.

Is that to hold the shafts while I remove the nut on 5th gear?

Not gonna lie I was tempted to do that and just spin the trans with an impact fast as it’ll go and see if it makes noise.

 

[pauleyman]

Is that to hold the shafts while I remove the nut on 5th gear?

Not gonna lie I was tempted to do that and just spin the trans with an impact fast as it’ll go and see if it makes noise.

people say don't but I take them off with an impact and put them back on with the custom socket.
On the spin the trans thing you shouldn't need an impact. A drill would probably do it. Neutral you can spin by hand.

 

[CrackedDSM]

people say don't but I take them off with an impact and put them back on with the custom socket.
On the spin the trans thing you shouldn't need an impact. A drill would probably do it. Neutral you can spin by hand.

I can spin it by hand easily but it doesn’t make any noise or bind. Tim Z said that spinning it by hand might not spin it fast as the engine does and that would explain no sound.

Figure I could spin it faster with an impact.

 

[Stapl3]

What's the Jack's ultimate ratio? I don't see it on their website.

Why not just put fluid in the trans and drive it? The noise may go away, this problem may just fix itself.

 

[DSMPT]

when I revved the engine, the sound didn’t increase or get louder.

If the transmission didn't have the fluid, it probably didn't have the fluid transfer (friction/dragging) to spin in neutral.

 

[CrackedDSM]

What's the Jack's ultimate ratio? I don't see it on their website.

Why not just put fluid in the trans and drive it? The noise may go away, this problem may just fix itself.

I put fluid in it before and the noise didn’t go away. That’s why I dropped the trans and changed all the old clutch stuff. The TOB was a POS, and the clutch was rusty and ancient.


But, that’s now the plan! Gonna stab it back in and drive this SOB.

 

[Spleen8urLSX]

Something to remember to is this thing sat for who knows how long all freshly put together before you started it for the first time. Things are going to make noise and be goofy a bit just from lack of use until you drive it and limber everything up. I’m with staple, don’t over think it, put the trans back in the car fill it and run it some and see what happens. Could confirm it is indeed hurt, but could just as easily confirm that it’s absolutely fine with just a little time invested.

 

[pauleyman]

I put fluid in it before and the noise didn’t go away. That’s why I dropped the trans and changed all the old clutch stuff. The TOB was a POS, and the clutch was rusty and ancient.


But, that’s now the plan! Gonna stab it back in and drive this SOB.

Since it's already down you have nothing to lose taking it apart for inspection

 

[CrackedDSM]

Something to remember to is this thing sat for who knows how long all freshly put together before you started it for the first time. Things are going to make noise and be goofy a bit just from lack of use until you drive it and limber everything up. I’m with staple, don’t over think it, put the trans back in the car fill it and run it some and see what happens. Could confirm it is indeed hurt, but could just as easily confirm that it’s absolutely fine with just a little time invested.

I’m convinced for sure.

 

[Stapl3]

Why not just send it out for a rebuild? It's only a couple grand and you get it back basically new. You're down with driving 8 hours for a mystery gearbox for 500, I saw you put deposit down on the experimental Australian gears that are 2 years out that costs more than a rebuild, but now you're here pulling this apart. 200 bucks on an exhaust manifold last week after I just pointed out all the effery a page ago in this thread. The battles you pick are bizarre to me. The project is not moving forward no pun intended.

I'm also genuinely curious about the Jack's ultimate ratio. I remember TRE 20 years ago had a close ratio gearbox where 5th topped out at like 100mph and I have been absolutely fascinated with it ever since. That's why I ask about it.

Again, I'm on your side dude.

 

[CrackedDSM]

Why not just send it out for a rebuild? It's only a couple grand and you get it back basically new. You're down with driving 8 hours for a mystery gearbox for 500, I saw you put deposit down on the experimental Australian gears that are 2 years out that costs more than a rebuild, but now you're here pulling this apart. 200 bucks on an exhaust manifold last week after I just pointed out all the effery a page ago in this thread. The battles you pick are bizarre to me. The project is not moving forward no pun intended.

I'm also genuinely curious about the Jack's ultimate ratio. I remember TRE 20 years ago had a close ratio gearbox where 5th topped out at like 100mph and I have been absolutely fascinated with it ever since. That's why I ask about it.

Again, I'm on your side dude.

Sometimes I wonder about you man. You were the one who told me f*** everything and just put the transmission in when I was talking about rebuilding it. Now you’re saying send it out and get it rebuilt which was the original plan in the first place?

And I’m not okay driving for a mystery box. Thus why I cancelled the transaction. I swear I’m confused.

 

[Stapl3]

Does the Jacks Ultimate Ratio exist?