PTE 6466 vs Xona 9569S

[1cleangsx]

Please show me a dyno graph of an hx52 on a 2.0 liter motor at altitude

 

[biglady112]

They are around. And so is video. My name is all over the internet. I even ran an hx52 on my 4g61 originally.

I do not have any favorites as I am not willing to spend large amounts of money for someone’s name. Xona would be at the bottom of the list however.

 

[JusMX141]

Like I have been saying to everyone. Those turbos are just expensive paperweights. Sit down and look at what class racers(think World Cup finals type cars) are running. You will see very few people running the Xona stuff.

Much of that is because Precision sponsors the events, and then makes the only turbo that fits a specific size frame...like the 6280 which is basically a class-cheater using a 76mm compressor with the inducer cut down to 62mm in front of the MWE groove.

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^ I serviced a S400-based diesel pulling turbo locally probably 7-8 years ago that was cut back to 64mm the same way, so that's not new technology by any means.

We saw an influx of other brands like Apex on people's cars at WCF this year because shops are getting fed up with their $4000 Precision 85 turbos ejecting turbine heads; although Precision will likely respond by banning compressors that aren't a thru-bore design just to stop Apex from cleaning up at the event Precision sponsors so they can continue to build one-off class-legal overpriced "cutting-edge" garbage turbochargers, and racers will keep buying them if they want a chance at winning in a given class.

 

[Vegas Smith]

(Gets popcorn ready)

 

[biglady112]

I can agree to that. That is why I personally run old diesel turbos. I can build an entire car for $4,000 even still today. I have nothing against precision or xona but, for an average guy like me, whatever “edge” the provide, it isn’t within my budget.

 

[Vegas Smith]

I did find it strange that FP/XR put out a strange example of how the uhf is better than previous gen on their website. Does FP not have enough resources to show a before and after on the same car and setup? Shit, all you have to do is ask a DSMer or evo guy and they'd put it on their car for free. Yet, they used this oddball example:
"
Here is a note from Robert about the performance of this UHF Green on the race car shown in the video above-

"There are 2 dyno graphs of Kerns car.

One is the current FP Green UHF, the other is the same FP Green UHF laid on top of last years combination with a FPRed model.

Your first thought might be "holdup, that new Green spools up the same as that Red and doesnt make the same peak power"

Well, last season the engine was a built long rod 2.4 with 10.5:1 CR and that dyno graph is 22psi. This season the engine is a stock 2.0 bottom end and the turbo comes on so fast that we are actually having to open the gate early to keep the torque below the failure level on the stock connecting rods! So we have almost the same power and response this year with a stock engine and FPGreenUHF turbo as we did last year with a built long rod 2.4 with 10.5CR and a bigger turbocharger."

Attention: All Forced Performance turbochargers are built to order to your exact specifications and should not be considered on the shelf ready to ship unless specifically noted on the work order. Build times vary by model of turbo and options of said turbocharger, therefore we cannot guarantee a delivery date or ETA."

 

[CrackedDSM]

I don’t mind FP Turbos but I’ve never thought they were worth the premium they charge. Same with precision TBH.

 

[Spleen8urLSX]

I don’t mind FP Turbos but I’ve never thought they were worth the premium they charge. Same with precision TBH.

FP shines on the “bolt on” market with the proof to back that class, can’t speak on the Xona stuff as I have no hands on with it. They’re the only ones still offering turbochargers that can make power in a bolt on configuration out of the box and have a big backing from the community, nowhere else is that easily obtainable. Sure there’s the BEP housings for the Holset’s and the hx35 worked well in that configuration (I was never blown away by the hx40 in the .55 housing) but the problem is that housing is no longer available new, so you factor in buying a $300 used turbine housing, a $150 super core, then the amount to have it serviced you’re talking almost brand new FP money. Same with the older Garrett based Precision stuff from before it was all over priced trash, heavy hitting bolt ons that were reliable but same issue as running a Holset in a bolt on housing in the year 2022, have to actually find the turbo then 9 times out of 10 have it serviced landing you just about at new FP price. Don’t get me wrong, I love Holsets and some of the old bolt on PTE stuff, but ultimately FP’s most modern bolt on stuff is going to outperform all of it (in bolt on config that is).

That’s where that premium comes from. However they’re not for me, if I ever decide to stop messing with the stock frame bolt on stuff I’ll simply go back to a t3 set up and have Justin do an hx40 and be done, but others in our community still go after the bolt on stuff and FP is the only ones in that market so they get their price. As far as the Xona stuff goes, out of the big DSM crowd we have here in shootout country (Ohio) I’ve never had my hands on one or seen one use or on the dyno or anything to get any kind of idea on them.

 

[biglady112]

Those bolt on jobs don’t work that well though. Especially at altitude. Back pressure problems and under perform like you wouldn’t believe. Racing at sea level and at 6000ft are not the same. And that goes for turbos across the board.

 

[Spleen8urLSX]

Those bolt on jobs don’t work that well though. Especially at altitude. Back pressure problems and under perform like you wouldn’t believe. Racing at sea level and at 6000ft are not the same. And that goes for turbos across the board.

Oh I’m sure, I’m saying in comparison to other “bolt on” options. It’s like I said, even here in flat ol Ohio if I ever decide I want that kind of power again I’d switch back to a t3 set up before I’d go chasing it that route. That’s not to knock them either but to me by the time you buy everything you need to make it work well you’re not saving anything over a t3 or t4 set up and it’s not “bolt on” enough at that point to be much more convenient, it’s just simply why they sell them and they do outperform for the most part and are much easier to obtain than anything else bolt on is the selling point for many is what I was saying. I get a bunch of feathers ruffled when I say it but to me the black is massively over rated, while yes it’s made 600 before for some people, and yes we know people have gone fast with it (we ALL know one person went 8s on it as anytime it’s brought up that gets referenced), I’ve seen a few cars tuned with one personally that struggled to hit 450 for most users resulting in one hell of a boring bolt on turbo. I’ve driven 2 cars with the black in an 8cm housing and my personal s363sxe in a .82ar t3 housing lit off faster as well as my other buddies hx40 in a .70ar open t3 housing was better spool and response, along with seeming to pull harder up top. Can’t speak on the reliability of it but the things a bore in my opinion and easier much more efficient ways to make the power very few have made with it. That’s not to knock FP/Xona as a company as I’ve seen plenty of good from them but that specific turbo that was hyped up for years to me isn’t worth it over a simple t3 set up.

 

[Spleen8urLSX]

@biglady112 to get more back on topic, I did however come across a 9 year old thread the other day where someone machined a .70ar bep t3 housing to fit the hx52 turbine wheel. User made around 620 on a Mustang dyno which to me is hx40 territory, but that was with 91 octane pump gas and meth injection. Seemed a bit choked out but for the sake of science I’d like to see the hx52 in something like a .82 or .85ar open housing in comparison to the turbos named in this thread. The way I look at it a local here made that kind of power on straight 93 octane with no meth on a Mustang dyno with a 6466 in a .82ar t3 housing (then over 700 right after on 110 octane cam 2), 2.3 stroker at the time just like that car mentioned in that thread. While horsepower number alone doesn’t tell us what the power and torque curve would be between the 2 and spool especially being 2 different cars in 2 different places, it does confirm the hx52 very well could be a competitor at a much more budget minded price like you suggested. Though I don’t see anyone machining a housing anytime soon for sake of comparison, but definitely interesting none the less.

 

[biglady112]

The HX52 is still a small shaft turbo. Even with the the large Holset housing, I still ended up snapping the turbine shaft on two different occasions over spinning them. That is when I started using back pressure to tune cars. My only experience is at altitude but, the 6466 with the .82 Vband housing definitely spools faster. 2.0 vs 2.0. Not much, but it does. I made 800.3whp [email protected] through a TH400. Looking back I should have stopped at 775whp as it took a lot of timing to get to 800.

We made [email protected] on a fwd, manual trans 4g63 setup. That turbo is closer to a gt42 sized turbo. Moving to a small turbine housing is the wrong answer.

 

[biglady112]

Here is a video of my HX52 maxed out. Dyno graphs shown somewhere in there.

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[biglady112]

Here is a fwd, 2.0, manual trans hx52 I was a part of for a very long time. At altitude of course.

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