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Pte 5557 Vs 50 trim?

Posted by JDR7919, Feb 10, 2010

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  1. JDR7919

    JDR7919 Proven Member

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    I was wondering if anyone has any experience with the new pte 5557. I have not found a whole lot of info on it. I did read that it will spool faster than a 50 trim and make more power up top. Does anyone know if this is true?

    Does anyone know what the spool would be?

    I was thinking about getting a 50trim with a goal of running low to mid 11s on pump and meth.
    I was told that the 5557 would be would get me there easier.

    Thanks
     
  2. Car Cannibal

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    A 50 trim is pretty much saying a PTE54 (cast wheel) unlike the new billet PTE55 which is not only bigger but lighter with a more efficient design.

    The 55 will make a lot more power and if you're worried about spoolup, put it in a small ex housing.
     
  3. xezerax

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    Just ordered a billet 5557 this week, it should be here tomorow. Once i get it running ill post up on here how it goes. Im coming from a 5457 that got robbed from me back in december so i decided to go a little bigger. Its deffinatly rated for more power, hopefully the spool will be similar with the billet.
     
  4. DSM_PWR

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    The reason the 5557 is better is because of the design/weight of the billet wheel.

    Its able to hold more boost alot better up top without spiking or settling down -5psi..
     

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  5. JDR7919

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    Let us know how the turbo is!

    So should spool be late 3k to 4k?
     
  6. JusMX141

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    It's part of the latest, greatest series of PTE turbos- so that means it will spool like a T25, flow like a GT42R, and be more reliable than a 14B at stock boost just like all of it's predecessors.

    Correct me if I'm wrong.
     

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  7. 95blackGsTurbo

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    Ok. Done.
     
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    One more tweek:

     

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  9. DWR-DSM

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    Do you have first hand experience with this turbo to make these opinions? I have never heard any bad things about the 5557.
     

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  10. 95blackGsTurbo

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    PTE is still PTE. They may have put a cool billet wheel on but they didn't fix the reliability problem with their turbo's.
     
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  11. JusMX141

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    They're not reinventing the wheel, here. It's going to be the same old 50-trim that they've always sold with a newly-designed (and most likely Chinese-built) billet compressor wheel. Same T3 center housing that has failed them in the past on DSMs.

    I don't doubt the ball-bearing variant of the 5557 is of good quality, but I'm sure the journal-bearing versions will have the same issues as preceding models.
     

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  12. DWR-DSM

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    Yes PTE is still PTE. I know about the t3 center housing but what about the direct bolt on housings?
     

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  13. JDR7919

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    Thats what Im trying to figure out. I hear that they had some bad batches and then I hear that they fixed it. Who makes a good 50trim or slightly bigger turbo that is reliable besides FP? I really like FP but want to know of some more options.
     
  14. ed_dogg23

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    My buddy and I installed the pte 5557 turbo last year on his 2g. After the tune we netted 525hp and 507lbs at the wheels. The car is on e85. The last time I drove the car at Bandimere it was 3500lbs and ran a 11.80 @ 125. It hits 34 lbs of boost right around 4500 rpm and is on a dsm housing. Hope this helps.
     

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  15. JusMX141

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    The PTE DSM bolt-on turbine housing is just a chunk of metal....a rather poor-flowing chunk of metal at that. Not much to fail there.

    The poor-flowing housing design is no secret- I know of an instance where a guy swapped the PTE DSM bolt-on housing on his 6031E to a T3 .82 Garrett housing and magically gained almost 10 lb/min at the same boost level. Car got WAY faster.

    In a journal-bearing platform, nobody. I don't want to be the guy who drags Holset or Borg Warner into this PTE thread, but that's also an option you may want to look into.

    FP fixed the Garrett T3 reliability issues on DSMs by adapting Garrett compressors to the durable Mitsu TD06 20G platform with excellent results. These are the FP DSM Green and DSM Red turbos that we have all grown to love over the years.
     

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  16. JDR7919

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    I think Im going to just wait a little longer and buy a green from FP. Does anyone know how much air the green can flow?
     
  17. Rockbmx1

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    I have a turbo that you'd love, tdo6h fp turbine and an hta82 compressor! It's hotness.

    The green flows about 50lbs/min.
     

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  18. JusMX141

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    Look at a 50-trim compressor map and you'll know.

    A DSM FP Green is nothing more than a Mitsubishi 50-trim....but you're paying for better durability, 100% bolt-on capability, and a turbine that guarantees the compressor can reach it's peak in a DSM bolt-on turbine housing. These are things you will NOT get with any normal Garrett 50-trim.
     

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  19. daren_p

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    I don't doubt this one bit but I don't think thats really a fair comparison, the .82 T3 will flow better then all the bolt on style housings no matter what they are. The PTE housing to a .63 T3 would be a much better comparison, though I still have no doubt the .63 will outflow, no question.
     

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    Hmm, the PTE 5557 sounds interesting, it is pretty cheap as well, I do not see a mitsu housing on these though. Only see T3 and T4. Would also like to hear reviews of this turbo. Also if these turbos fail like people state they do, isn't there any warranty on defects?
     

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  21. JDR7919

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    There is a 1 year warranty
     
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    We've had 2 GS-Ts run the PTE 5557 Bolt on Journal Bearing turbo since May/June with no issues to date.

    One customer is a good friend and he has over 6,000 miles on his. Journal Bearing, DSM Bolt-On 5557 with the billet wheel, internal gate.
    He made 330whp with a stock 7-bolt motor, stock head, stock cams on our Mustang Dyno on straight 93 octane pump gas with DSMlink. He drives his car pretty hard, and is into boost alot. 23-24 psi. Still holding up great.

    We also have an Evo running the T3 5557, Journal Bearing. It has over a few thousand miles with no problems. His car made 446whp on our dyno on E85 running out of fuel pump [ It actually made 460 at one point but we backed it off ]. It also went [email protected] in a full weight evo at 446whp.

    I do not have a dyno graph online of the GS-T but I should be able to pull it and post it tomorrow sometime!

    I'm not posting here to push precision products, but just first hand accounts with these turbos, and exactly how they have been performing. No issues to report!

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  24. Boug

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    OK. According to the Web site, the PTE 5557 (at least according to the drop-down menu) doesn't offer the DSM housing. Would I have to call in order to place a special order? And as far as housings are concerned, I see the .48 and .63 that I know basically lets me know I'll either spool sooner or later. Is there any stated flow characteristics of the turbo available or can you give your best estimation based on previous experience with other turbos? I really get tired of seeing/reading guys bash PTE as I'm a new guy to the DSM scene and would like to know of some real-world accounts in order to make my own decision.
     
  25. xezerax

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    I've had the journal billet 5557 on my car since Febuary now with no issues. Has the internal gate and boost is steady with my evc4. It made 372whp on 93 and meth at about 27psi tuning with an afc. I'll be getting link v3 soon and head back to the dyno and post some new numbers.
     
    Last edited: Oct 27, 2010

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