Doubleot
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Not a big fan of chrome/polished but it does look good.
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What he said ^InfiniteGSX, nobody here is trying to bash you because of what you did to your car, but you are drawing fire by arguing with everyone about the performance qualities of your setup, quoting NASCAR and the :elite: Honda crowd while claiming you have proven everyone wrong with "facts". You have come out with an attack on the rest of the DSM crowd stating that it's against our "rules" and that DSMers only care about the "straight line", when you are factually wrong in almost every case. Most DSMers drive their cars on the street, therefore handling is a big factor to a lot of us.
So please. Just come on out and say: "I put these rims on my car because they look sweet as hell. I understand the car is low and the suspension tuning is less than optimal, but I'm okay with that because I like the way it looks."
What he said ^
I typically don't put that much thought into it these days when I see cars on the street because the number of people who are actually doing a mod for something like you just described are so few, I'd be wasting my time putting that much thought into. What are the odds I'd actually be looking at a car that is actually raced on a track? I used to put more thought into it though.If you all don't mind, I'd like to take this a bit further in a serious manner.
My understanding of cosmetic mods and what people think looks cool is limited (since I grew up in a different millennium), but most seem to trace their roots back to racing. In other words, the mod IS functional in some way in some context, or is something generally seen on racing cars (such as sponsor stickers). Yes, the way that the mods are applied to street cars often don't actually achieve the original functionality, but the roots are still in racing.
I say this not only because I believe it, but because it explains why I can't stop myself from immediately thinking about the original function when I see a mod on a street car. Thus, when I see stretched tires, which I believe comes from drifting where they would stretch the tires to DECREASE lateral grip, I can't help but immediately think: "oh, so this person would rather slide than turn." And then I remind myself, if I'm driving when I see the car with stretched tires, to give said car more than the usual buffer space between us.
In any event, I'd be curious to know what other people think when they see a given mod on a street car. And, to be honest, there's a deeper and more personal reason for this. When you look at my Evo, you will soon see tiny brakes, rather than the OE disks and red Brembos. My guess is that most people (i.e., those I call the Great Unwashed in most situations) will not be impressed at all. But there will also be that small minority of people who will know that these brakes allow for 15" wheels. Yes, a majority of these few people will probably think that I drag-race, instead of rallycross (as both really want 15" wheels), but I'd still like to know how many other people think this much (too much) or this deeply (too deeply) when they see a modified car on the street.
Because its not, the car is around an inch higher. How it will be. TySee, now in that last picture the camber doesn't look quite that bad.
I think it looks pretty good. Although, I'm not a huge fan of wheels sticking out past the fenders. I still think it looks pretty good.
Good job on the looks OP. Can't agree 100% on the handling, but you definitely nailed the looks.
I'm building it. I don't trust anyone in this state. Too many shady people. I have Empire Engines do my machine work but I do any building. IF you do have a shop do it, do not go to budlongs. They have screwed up too many in my experience.Can I ask who in new Mexico is building your motor(if someone is building it here)? As I finally pulled my motor last weekend, I would like to drop it off to someone this weekend. Btw +1 on the wheels looks very good.
Well it is, its lifted another inch. Thats the height that I Want it.Damn in that last pic the camber looks less, than my,rears,.
Well I'm going to end up adjusting the coils to this height with full weight on the tires.If it is still sitting on the blocks that's pry why it looks so good. The full weight isn't on the wheels. May still have issues with camber. But good luck looks good. I have the mustang gt 17's on my 1g. But that's just to role it around.
I love the wheels. I never thought I'd put them on my car. I was actually going to pickup the 18x9/18x10 setup with fat tires for my AWD Supercharged V8 Grand Cherokee but I sold it and these wheels were cheap.There are a lot of closed minds out there. Stance looks fine, but I don't like the wheels much. Keep fighting the good fight, sir.
Neither am I. But I think it looks good on a silver car.Not a big fan of chrome/polished but it does look good.
I could get that large of a tire, but not without lifting the car a lot to save my fenders/tires or adding lots of negative camber. Why, I had the tires. I looked up online what they looked like to make sure they weren't too stretched on this wide of a wheel and I went for it.you should be able to get 245s easily on that rim with your offset.If you don't mind me asking, why are you running 225s?
I've seen these "facts" pay off when it involves camber and tire wear and handling on other vehicles of mine. While at the same time these people here that are "track stars" say that its the opposite and I in fact hurt my handling by lowering it soo low and allowing such a high degree of negative camber. But the fact that I did state that still remains is, my cars handling cannot get worse than what it was when it was, in everyone else's eyes, "perfect" and in my eyes is more Scary and unsafe. I may have lowered the car beyond the recommended height and my control arms are at a steep angle which has screwed the geometry of the car for that more "sporty look". I do do everything I can to make my car look sweet as hell. I chose these wheels because of the price and the idea of "stance" knowing that people would dislike it. But I also did my Clear Spark Plug Wire Cover with the same thought in mind, and even my candy blue and tucked engine bay. And I still have the same outlook as I did on the first post, if you don't like it.... suck it! It doesn't hurt you, or you in any way. It doesn't hurt me at all, In fact I couldn't be any happier with my car.InfiniteGSX, nobody here is trying to bash you because of what you did to your car, but you are drawing fire by arguing with everyone about the performance qualities of your setup, quoting NASCAR and the :elite: Honda crowd while claiming you have proven everyone wrong with "facts". You have come out with an attack on the rest of the DSM crowd stating that it's against our "rules" and that DSMers only care about the "straight line", when you are factually wrong in almost every case. Most DSMers drive their cars on the street, therefore handling is a big factor to a lot of us.
So please. Just come on out and say: "I put these rims on my car because they look sweet as hell. I understand the car is low and the suspension tuning is less than optimal, but I'm okay with that because I like the way it looks."
Stretch allows a lower drop without fender mods. The guy I bought my wheels from was LOW and thus I got 10" rears paired with 245s. Not extreme as some, but more than I personally like. It made the Coupe very tail happy in the wet.
Second, I do not see how stretching a tire makes it more likely to fit. Yes, a narrower tire on wheel X is more likely to tuck than a wider tire on the same wheel, but I don't see why tire X on a wider wheel is more likely to tuck than the same tire on the correct-width wheel. No, I'm sorry, but the only effects of running a wheel too wide for the tire are (a) less acceleration (due to more rotating mass) and (b) less lateral grip (due to poor sidewall support).
You say I've ruined the performance of the tire? Well how exactly. Stock sports cars come this way. IE: BMW M3. My father owns one, stock sized tires are stretched. The same amount of tire is touching the ground from the wrong sized wheel to the right sized wheel. There is less tire roll on the wrong sized wheel than the right sized wheel.
Here's my previous setup. 255/45/17 on 17x8+30. I didn't chose the tire size, they came on the wheels. Stock 99 Cobra Wheels and Tires.You must be logged in to view this image or video.
H&R 1.7/1.4" Springs on Tokico Illumina 5way Adjustable Shocks. Stock Sway Bars.
I took that setup out on a large cruise held by local web forums RacingSouthwest.com and TrueStreetCars.com. It was a Jemez, NM-Toas Cruise. Lots of Mountain S Curves. I didn't push it as I was in a race to win a championship. But Myself and about 100 other high end cars... STI's, Evo's, Corvettes, Drag Cars and Drift Cars as well as AutoX Cars. So we kept a decent pace and My car didn't do too bad but still would burn into turns, nose first. Which scared me. I haven't pushed this car because of that.
Thats with the "right camber" and the right tires on the right wheels and the right drop. According to what is right. Everytime I've had the wrong tires on the wrong wheels on the wrong camber the car has performed better than I have ever expected or asked for.
It has no camber in the front and the normal camber from lowering the car 1.5" in the rear.
The Lense was a wide angle lense and it screwed the images up.