What Turbo is this? [Merged] Turbo ID Identification

[JusMX141]

SBR G50 / Kinetic T50; sold for $629 new, I believe.

 

[brently]

SBR G50 / Kinetic T50; sold for $629 new, I believe.

Thanks for the help. Where or how could I go about finding specs on this turbo? Maybe just a ton of searching. When ordering parts, would this turbo fall under OEM style? Or Garrett style journal bearing? Thanks again.

 

[jayson427]

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/turbo-system-tech/382663-sbr-g50.html

I didn't read through it all the way but there's more info in that link.

 

[JusMX141]

Thanks for the help. Where or how could I go about finding specs on this turbo?

It's a knockoff of a T04E50 Garrett...doesn't get much simpler than that.

Look around for input from others- there are compressor maps all over the place for that wheel as well. Pretty good pump gas performer- has very wide efficiency islands on the map.

When ordering parts, would this turbo fall under OEM style? Or Garrett style journal bearing? Thanks again.

Rebuild parts would be T04E Garrett, oil line hardware would be the same as any other T3 or T4 Garrett unit once you determine what thread your oil inlet has...either 1/8" or 1/4" NPT. Yours appears to be 1/4" NPT from the photos.

 

[Breezio69]

Welp, I honestly bought this because it was dirt ass cheap. I've never dug into a turbo further than sticking my fingers in and feeling for shaft play on my e16g on my car.

Got this with a damn near brand new manifold for a honda and an external wastegate from some desperate kid... I talked him down less than half his asking price because I could tell he "needed money now"

Anywho, what I'd like to do is rebuild it. I pulled it all apart today and cleaned it up, I'm 1/2 way through polishing the cold side.

What do I have, what parts can be put in this? Genuine garrett? Still unsure on size and the turbine specs didn't match anything and that's what it needs the most, has almost no play with no oil in it. All I know is this is quite a bit larger than my 16g. But I still probably won't use it.

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[xuberantz]

Is this a bullseye t04b v-trim?

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[Diamond Star Werks]

Welp, I honestly bought this because it was dirt ass cheap. I've never dug into a turbo further than sticking my fingers in and feeling for shaft play on my e16g on my car.

Got this with a damn near brand new manifold for a honda and an external wastegate from some desperate kid... I talked him down less than half his asking price because I could tell he "needed money now"

Anywho, what I'd like to do is rebuild it. I pulled it all apart today and cleaned it up, I'm 1/2 way through polishing the cold side.

What do I have, what parts can be put in this? Genuine garrett? Still unsure on size and the turbine specs didn't match anything and that's what it needs the most, has almost no play with no oil in it. All I know is this is quite a bit larger than my 16g. But I still probably won't use it.

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Turbonetics grand National turbo I got here at the shop looks the same but its a stage two. But their stage 1 is bigger than that too so I'd assume it's a stock garret for a grand National. Big shaft garret.

 

[Breezio69]

Turbonetics grand National turbo I got here at the shop looks the same but its a stage two. But their stage 1 is bigger than that too so I'd assume it's a stock garret for a grand National. Big shaft garret.

That post made about 30% sense. Please retry to tell me what I have here

Edit:
Sorry I was super drunk and had no business even being online... haha. Can anyone confirm what mjcanada says? I was thinking ebay, but, the only thing that makes me think not, is every garrett on ebay has huge name plate raised tag and engraving. Also, the snail shape is different at the small end, and they all have a boost source tapped into them already..

 

[Diamond Star Werks]

I have a Turbonetics cheetah stage 2 Grand National turbo at my shop. Turbine housing is the same. Comp housing and chra look near the same as well.
Your turbine wheel also looks the same as well. With the exception of it being much smaller. So based on that I would say you have a stock Garrett turbo off a Grand National.

 

[JusMX141]

What do I have, what parts can be put in this? Genuine garrett? Still unsure on size and the turbine specs didn't match anything and that's what it needs the most, has almost no play with no oil in it. All I know is this is quite a bit larger than my 16g. But I still probably won't use it.

An eBay T04E knockoff of some type.

There are no Garrett turbines with that spec, Garrett doesn't use a 12-point hex on the T327/T31 turbines, and the compressor wheel's an oddball too. The turbine wheel itself is close to a TD06 Mitsu spec for whatever reason....likely to get around copyright laws. If you really want to run that particular unit, there are complete new ones on eBay for around $130. Definitely don't rebuild it.

Is this a bullseye t04b v-trim?

T04B 50-trim. They modded the seal plate to use a T04E50 compressor wheel for this model and a handful of others. Allowed T04B fitment with T04E airflow....a big step for the era when there weren't that many manifolds available to allow block clearance for a T04E cover.

 

[Diamond Star Werks]

An eBay T04E knockoff of some type.

Guess that would explain while all the sizes are weird.

 

[xuberantz]

T04B 50-trim. They modded the seal plate to use a T04E50 compressor wheel for this model and a handful of others. Allowed T04B fitment with T04E airflow....a big step for the era when there weren't that many manifolds available to allow block clearance for a T04E cover.

I did some more reading and searching, so just to be clear it's NOT the vtrim? I've found very little information about the T04E50 wheel in the T04B housing. I've always read about the problems with the v-trims surging, yet this turbo has been on the car for 4 years and has NEVER surged and is still very tight with no shaft play at all... Flow numbers the same as the vtrim - 48lb/min?

 

[kenjiw]

is this an authentic MHI Evo 3 16g turbo or what?

 

[Diamond Star Werks]

is this an authentic MHI Evo 3 16g turbo or what?

14b. 16g comp wheel fins are 6/6. Means 6 sets of two fins.

 

[WES_393]

Serial number even says 14b.

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/articles-turbo-system-intercooler/313105-16g-serial-numbers.html

 

[JusMX141]

I did some more reading and searching, so just to be clear it's NOT the vtrim?

Correct.

I've found very little information about the T04E50 wheel in the T04B housing.

Doesn't matter what compressor cover it has, it will still perform like a T04E50.

I've always read about the problems with the v-trims surging, yet this turbo has been on the car for 4 years and has NEVER surged and is still very tight with no shaft play at all... Flow numbers the same as the vtrim - 48lb/min?

The V-Trim was never that efficient...you'd be lucky to break the 40-42lb/min mark with a V-trim before running into surge issues.

You never surge because you have a T04E50 compressor.

is this an authentic MHI Evo 3 16g turbo or what?

14B. Stock turbo from a manual 1G.

 

[4Gwannabe]

^ He's right. I just ran the serial. Jdm 13t.

As for the wrx, good catch. I wasn't aware of the turbine difference until I searched it up!

What serial number did you run?

As far as I'm concerned no "JDM" Mitsubishi Eclipse were ever produced from Japan they were built in Illinois and shipped to Europe and Japan...

That turbo is more than likely a 13g and the "straight blades" on that turbo could of been different version of the same style turbo.
I've had 2 14B turbo next too each other and one had "straight blades" and one had "swirly blades".

 

[iiNFAMOUSCHRiS]

What serial number did you run?

the "49189-02500" that's printed on the side....here's another thread on here about the same turbo also

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/newbie-forum/235644-td04hl-answer-where-turbo-came.html

 

[4Gwannabe]

the "49189-02500" that's printed on the side....here's another thread on here about the same turbo also

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/newbie-forum/235644-td04hl-answer-where-turbo-came.html

Dude they ran a serial number to a 13G

And you sent me another post that had just as much confusion on it as this one does

 

[iiNFAMOUSCHRiS]

from another site:

Like the Galant VR4, the Japanese-market Mitsubishi RVR sports wagon is powered by a 4G63 engine. In the RVR, however, the engine is essentially Evolution-spec.

The RVR engine is listed with a healthy 169kW but, curiously, it employs a smaller turbo than the less powerful VR4 engine. The RVR uses a little TD04HL, which is quick to spool up but has limited scope for extra power. We'd be reluctant to run this turbo past 190kW. The turbo core is water-cooled.

The compressor inlet on the TD04HL is 54mm diameter and the discharge nozzle is approximately 50mm diameter. The 4 bolt turbine mounting flange appears identical to the VR4's at 82 x 92mm. The turbine housing is also marked with a 0.50 A/R ratio, while the dump pipe requires 5 bolts.

This turbo is a good choice for 1.6 – 1.8 litre turbo engine with basic mods.

i found out ### it is. its basically the same thing as a 14b. but a jdm its a 13t 6cm, it runs 440ish cfm n peaks at 475cfm

 

[JusMX141]

As far as I'm concerned no "JDM" Mitsubishi Eclipse were ever produced from Japan they were built in Illinois and shipped to Europe and Japan...

So, as far as you're concerned, the 4G63 was never used in anything but a Mitsubishi Eclipse...correct?

That turbo is more than likely a 13g and the "straight blades" on that turbo could of been different version of the same style turbo.
I've had 2 14B turbo next too each other and one had "straight blades" and one had "swirly blades".

While I do appreciate your expert analysis regarding the blade shape, the turbo in question is a TD04HL 13T.

 

[4Gwannabe]

So, as far as you're concerned, the 4G63 was never used in anything but a Mitsubishi Eclipse...correct?

While I do appreciate your expert analysis regarding the blade shape, the turbo in question is a TD04HL 13T.

Read slower and you might understand what I was saying better

13t off what car May I ask? that serial number comes up for many different types of 13t Mitsubish made for differ vehicles

 

[JusMX141]

Read slower and you might understand what I was saying better

I went full-retard and it still didn't help me understand, so I'll just proceed with the information you requested.

49189-02500 = MR204972; TD04HL 13T 5cm2

It's the factory turbo from an automatic RVR.

 

[iiNFAMOUSCHRiS]

Read slower and you might understand what I was saying better

13t off what car May I ask? that serial number comes up for many different types of 13t Mitsubish made for differ vehicles

I went full-retard and it still didn't help me understand, so I'll just proceed with the information you requested.

49189-02500 = MR204972; TD04HL 13T 5cm2

It's the factory turbo from an automatic RVR.

or he could've just read what I posted....also shot you a PM, jusMX141

 

[4Gwannabe]

from another site:

Ehhhh sick man wish I could of found this before I started opening my moth ill admit #salty but hey I didn't see any part number! So idk how you guys knew what his was