ECMlink SD V3 WOT pulls inside how do they look?

[Archer Fabrications]

hey sorry i didn't respond yesterday, i was a little busy, so i decided id load the min oct evo map as my max oct map, it definitely feels alot quicker and i can see the timing curve you were talkin about. i did get some knock but it wasn't anything more then 1 degree and a .7 so that's good. im still getting the VE figured out i have a few pulls that look a lot better, here they are: thanks for all your advice. let me know if im heading in the right direction. i know im hitting rich spots going right into boost and i put my tip in back to stock still was rich now its up to the VE it looks like

ive loaded a leaner VE map on some parts that arent showing in that log, so i have already made adjustments just haven't taken another pull yet. hoping that rich dip will disapear

As far as my wideband goes it matches the volts being set put if i log it RAW perfectly and when i look at both of them it seems pretty close on gauge and in link, although i have a hard time looking back and fourth fastenough it is pretty much correct.

I'm running 10* coolant offset cause that's what my tuner set it at... i haven't had any problems i run a steady 200 degrees coolant temp on an open waste gate dumped aluminum radiator with an aluminum sheet metal heat shield so it doesn't burn a whole through thing thing. ill probably zero it out once i get my dump tube welded up and throw in my shiny new KOYO that's sitting in my living room right now. the waste gate is dumping all over my radiator and alternator so the alternator probably needs to be replaced soon, but im hitting steady battery voltage haha not worried about it cause i have replacement parts waiting to go in. although my alternator pigtail is a little melted :S probably have to find a new one at the junk yard.

 

[Archer Fabrications]

Ill post a log tomorrow morning but i was doing pulls n i hit 438hp/365ftlb torque on a really good pull the afrs are getting in line and the max timing i see at around 7k is 2.2* ill get ocasional .7 knock depending on how i throttle into the pull, should i adjust my base tip in?

logs: still getting the VE adjusted for going a little lean at the end of the pull

the 70-90 was at 1.9 seconds in the 438hp log that should be good for high 11 second quarter mile by the equation right? hows the timing looking now?

 

[turboglenn]

callme crazy but they look like logs from a DSM running ECMlink ...that just my first impressions

As for the timinmg i have NO IDEA what the hell some one did with putting in negative timing numbers under wde open throttle..that' anti-lag settings, not power/p[ulling setttings, you'd get rid of knock by putting positive numbers in there.,buit peoplehave already helpoed soi i hope its going better now, gotta run !!

 

[Archer Fabrications]

callme crazy but they look like logs from a DSM running ECMlink ...that just my first impressions

As for the timinmg i have NO IDEA what the hell some one did with putting in negative timing numbers under wde open throttle..that' anti-lag settings, not power/p[ulling setttings, you'd get rid of knock by putting positive numbers in there.,buit peoplehave already helpoed soi i hope its going better now, gotta run !!

Are you saying what i was on was similar to anti lag settings? Yeah i dunno what the negative timing was about. right now im on the evo8 mod 1 min oct timing map and it seems to be working pretty well. haha noticed you were in sort of a hurry... oh btw coolant offset was so the fans come on earlier* glen, what do you mean a dsm running ecmlink? i am running ECMLink man . You talking cause i'm not on DSM fuel or timing maps? do you think it looks better now glen?

 

[MY1GDSM]

Wait?

Your trying to get the Raw volts to line up to the Linewideband? WTF like literly line up to each other in the log?

Sounds like you going to have some fun there...

From what I understand you said(and what I see in the log) I highly doubt you still have your Wideband set right (you have spots where the wideband in the log is showing 9:1 AEM W/b's don't read that low... How do you expect to make fueling changes of of somethign you can't confirm yourself is even right ???

FYI From what I see if you had it set right you would be about 11.5:1-12:1 AFR from 5k up...

IMHO timing still looks like crap there isn't any reason you should still be running -5* flat out. But that has been said more then once.

You should atleast load up the Evo MAX table and Min tables in there.

If you pick up knock that is what the min table is for...

When you got knock before when you loaded the EVO map you still had the very low min table loaded. a nat fart and that alone is going to make the motor really pick up some noise when interpolating between those maps that is some very big changes in timing 6* to -3. Load the max evo map After you get a accurate Wideband reading set up in the logs (Ask and you might get some help )and start making some Fueling changes... I'd say do it Now but your more then likely going to blame the timing again for your other problems or because your lack of understanding of everything at work here... .

that' anti-lag settings, not power/pulling setttings

I can see the flames from here!!!

Really not sure why I'm still even tring to help here...

 

[Archer Fabrications]

Wait?

Your trying to get the Raw volts to line up to the Linewideband? WTF like literly line up to each other in the log?

Sounds like you going to have some fun there...

From what I understand you said(and what I see in the log) I highly doubt you still have your Wide band set right (you have spots where the wide band in the log is showing 9:1 AEM W/b's don't read that low... How do you expect to make fueling changes of of something you can't confirm yourself is even right ???

FYI From what I see if you had it set right you would be about 11.5:1-12:1 AFR from 5k up...

IMHO timing still looks like crap there isn't any reason you should still be running -5* flat out. But that has been said more then once.

You should atleast load up the Evo MAX table and Min tables in there.

If you pick up knock that is what the min table is for...

When you got knock before when you loaded the EVO map you still had the very low min table loaded. a nat fart and that alone is going to make the motor really pick up some noise when interpolating between those maps that is some very big changes in timing. Load the max evo map After you get a accurate Wideband reading set up in the logs (Ask and you might get some help )and start making some Fueling changes... I'd say do it Now but your more then likely going to blame the timing again for your other problems or because your lack of understanding of everything at work here... .


I can see the flames from here!!!

im using gofers video to calibrate the WB.. isnt that how i do it?
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/articles-tuning-ecu/428702-ecmlink-linear-wb-calibration.html
so your saying i should be fine if i load both the min and max oct table even though the min oct table is basically never used? are you recommending using my modding my retarted evo max oct table? or just going full out stock evo 8 mod 1 map. I'm using gofers method (which from my understanding you want the logged value for the gauge to match the voltage being output? if thats wrong someone please correct me and tell me how its supposed to be. my gauge is like .4 or .5 off... its not terribly off but enough to be outa wack.

my 1gdsm did you look at my last logs?
Edit: nvm i see where you are seeing the -4.8*

 

[MY1GDSM]

that IS terribly off... . to me at least... I don't care for how Gofer does that test as there is no reason to even have the car running to get it set correctly with a AEM gauge... . You obviously didn't do that right though or your gauge would be set up right as it is now.

I'm not sure how you interpret what everyone says but I was pretty clear about what I said there and well... I could go on but, I gotta Run!

 

[Archer Fabrications]

that IS terribly off... . to me at least... I don't care for how Gofer does that test as there is no reason to even have the car running to get it set correctly with a AEM gauge... . You obviously didn't do that right though or your gauge would be set up right as it is now.

I'm not sure how you interpret what everyone says but I was pretty clear about what I said there and well... I could go on but, I gotta Run!

No i dont think i did set it right, ill do that today after work and load the regular timing map with the min oct one and see how it runs. but if it DOES knock. what do you sugguest? just taking it down as many degrees as there was knock for that perticular tracked cell?

k heres a log i havent loaded the max evo8 map yet cause i got a little knock, the WB was off by alot and now im getting steady afrs during pulls.

 

[Archer Fabrications]

here are a few more pulls, i got 5* knock from loading the retarted evo map but the AFRS are getting in line. here are some logs: the timing is still on min oct though in these logs

i notice knock more when i hit 4thcause the turbo spools so fast and it will still be at like 23* timing

 

[Archer Fabrications]

Do you guys think its time to turn up the boost?

 

[turboglenn]

I think some knock might be coming from timing attack rate (changing from -1 to 13* by redline...my curves usually only hjave 5-6* change from peak spool up to redlne anmd that -1 is about 10 to low

everyone's affraid of my maps on here but i'd try running this map would be safe for any good fuel still but the timing comes in smoother and AFR's are a touch leaner

 

[Archer Fabrications]

I think some knock might be coming from timing attack rate (changing from -1 to 13* by redline...my curves usually only hjave 5-6* change from peak spool up to redlne anmd that -1 is about 10 to low

everyone's affraid of my maps on here but i'd try running this map would be safe for any good fuel still but the timing comes in smoother and AFR's are a touch leaner

ill load that and run it! I wanna crank up the boost to as high as i can just to see how far i can push the turbo on the stock housing, from my logs do you think im ready to do that? ill post a log with glens timing first before i turn it up.

glen, were you trying to get me to target 11s in the MAX oct table? cause you put it in the MIN table unless you want me to copy that whole thing to the ECU i think the timing map MAX oct is all id load, you never use the min oct tables anyway and even in the program it says most users would match it with the max oct? what are your suggestions on that?


THANKS EVERYONE THAT IS HELPING ME OUT IM ACTUALLY MOVING FORWARD AND THIS EXCITES ME!

and special thanks to glen and my1gdsm and calan for putting up with my shit in the other thread if im missing someone sorry ill add in a thank you to you as well! i wanna crank up to 28psi soon to see how that feels hehehe.

 

[MY1GDSM]

I think you still have some work to do before upping the boost...

You are getting things closer inline... But I think you still may have the Wideband set wrong...

 

[turboglenn]

oops ya, 11's in max octane not minimum, hell i'd put the same map in both and run different timing maps for octane

 

[Archer Fabrications]

I think you still have some work to do before upping the boost...

You are getting things closer inline... But I think you still may have the Wideband set wrong...

I did it with a video camera because i was alone... Video taped the wb reading and RAW voltage it was hitting when at 14.7 and 11.1 open loop idle and looked at the video and set that voltage as the offset.. just like the instructions said in the video, i wasnt able to hit a SOLID SOLID 11.1 in open loop at idle it would swing a little bit thats why i had to break out the vid cam and stop it right when it hit 11.1 on the recording then refrence the voltage in the video also at that AFR i think its pretty accurate to within .2 or my WB might be giving up the ghost, i have a spare for an occasion like this cause im running it in the o2 housing. What makes you think its off still?

here are my offsets because i dont think you can see them in the logs because they are different for each computer:

This is using linear Wide band with the AEM UEGO

Min volts: .51V < Gauge output at 11.1
Min Lambda: .75 < 11.1
Max Volts: 2.31 < Gauge output at 14.7
Max Lambda 1.00 <14.7

also check out my global and deadtimes they seem to be VERY off for 1000CC injectors... Maybe thats just me though.

oops ya, 11's in max octane not minimum, hell i'd put the same map in both and run different timing maps for octane

okay, i noticed you had a random 10.7 in the 6500 and .09 load was there a reason for this? or does it not matter, i dont think i hit those cells anyway? id think that everything should be around 11.1 although im hitting 11.1ish right now when im targeting 10.6, but obviously thats not the goal haha. Im gonna run lean when i load that MAX oct map. Oh well though more VE tweaking is in my future..

I think i have to make my global MORE positive AGAIN because i dont think i should be hitting 102VE at all. its odd because when i richen the global, i still see a negative LTFT even after it updates itself i see a change but a few % global doesnt seem to make LTFT that much different? WTF ? i have verified NO boost leaks.. The tester pops off the turbo before i hear any air seeping out and that's at about 30psi in the intake track.

 

[Archer Fabrications]

glen, i hit knock on that revised map. it didnt decline quickenough but its weird that the transition from 17 to 6 doesnt cause knock. here is the log.

 

[MY1GDSM]

I've posted how to do the calibration quite a few times on here...

Why are you still trying to tune with out doing this?

 

[Archer Fabrications]

Try, these numbers for the Linwideband I think your W/b may actually line up with them to what your gauge says. Your wideband reads to 10:1 if you set min lambada to 11:1 your not going to see anywhere in the log lower then that.

i thought that was the target number to log? i was just following gofers video he said he didnt care about anythign above 14.7 and nothing below 11.1 but it would still log and show what was on the gauge and it does for me; but those were all he cared about logging? it still shows what the gauge says even when it goes to 10's but ill try it out. Everything looked as if it was matching.

Everyones WB is different and will have different max and min voltages...

Are you thinking im knocking with these timing maps because my WB is logging wrong or something? im kinda curious why what glen suggested gave me 15 counts of knock.

 

[MY1GDSM]

i thought that was the target number to log? i was just following gofers video he said he didnt care about anythign above 14.7 and nothing below 11.1 but it would still log and show what was on the gauge and it does for me; but those were all he cared about logging? it still shows what the gauge says even when it goes to 10's but ill try it out. Everything looked as if it was matching.

Everyones WB is different and will have different max and min voltages...

Are you thinking im knocking with these timing maps because my WB is logging wrong or something? im kinda curious why what glen suggested gave me 15 counts of knock.

No, everyones AEM W/b will be differant because of grounding issues among with a number of other factors like the logged input ect.this is one of the biggest reasons that I recomend a Lc-1 or them... .

Any way HE Himself doesn't care about anything lower then that... . He like me runs E85 and isn't going to be down in the 10:1 AFR's. besides your numbers for 11:1 are wrong or using the number I posted it would match up... . that's what I meant by what I said before... .

You on the other hand in several logs have hit max rich in the logs which shows as 0.10-0.12 from the Raw volts and is 10:1 on the gauge which is a lambda of 0.68... . your current settings have you dipping below a 10:1(or did) logged value which isn't possible with your wideband... .

Regardless all you needed to do was unhook your wideband sensor from the harness as it will default to 14.7 look at the Raw voltage and punch that in for lambda 1 then remove the sensor from the exhaust and put it heating up in a Break clean soaked rag to wait and see the min volts that the gague maxs out at 10:1... .

I prefer that way with the AEM gauges as the car doesn't need a bunch of fuel dumped down it at idle and your not counting on the car to really be switching at 14.7 running.... .

 

[Archer Fabrications]

Regardless all you needed to do was unhook your wideband sensor from the harness as it will default to 14.7 look at the Raw voltage and punch that in for lambda 1 then remove the sensor from the exhaust and put it heating up in a Break clean soaked rag to wait and see the min volts that the gague maxs out at 10:1... .

i will do this. guessing puting it in brake cleaner is similar to it running rich so will give off the maximum rich voltage correct?

and when you say unplug the sensor from the harness, you are referring to the engine bay one correct?

i unplugged it in the engine bay and i see a 14.8 interesting...

my max volts for the 14.8 (which showed as 14.7 in the log) was 2.41 (i believe i actually had it before at 2.31) but i just changed it now using the unplug method and saw a 2.41 for a 14.7 or 14.8 AFR ill dip in like maf cleaner or something, i dont have brake cleaner

 

[Archer Fabrications]

Well i pulled my transmission out yesterday to replace the throw out bearing and clutch fork with a FORGED ONE!, and im gonna take a peek at my clutch because i was getting raddling noises that went away when the clutch was pushed in, the throw out bearing didnt seem in too bad condition but it was an ACT one and there was very minor play in the bearing itself. im starting to think that it couldent have made THAT much noise. my oil looks clean, my trans fluid looked like gun metal metallic BMW paint waiting on more redline MT-90. Good time to clean and paint the tranny. I Noticed some of the input splines are wearing.. Uh oh. Anyway, so tuning is gonna be on the back burner for right now. I'll get back when i can!

 

[Archer Fabrications]

Alright i've got a quick question. I know that getting knock during 2 step seems to be a common thing, but is it phantom? is there a way to get rid of the knock during 2 step? I'm not using anti lag, and don't plan to. i have a 5250RPM launch but fir the first rev ill get like 6* knock and then the rest it will be gone. you guys think that's just cause its hella loud? Or is there a way to tune for correct fuel delivery during 2 step using speed density.

I figure if I adjust the VE in the spots that are tracked during the 2 step would affect other areas; say a 2nd gear pull may turn out too rich? Or even messing up 1st AFRs? How are you guys tuning your 2 step?

 

[MY1GDSM]

I would think your tune was still not close enough to be doing any launches Imo

But, if you slowly rev up to you 2-step limit you shouldn't knock at all... .

 

[Archer Fabrications]

I would think your tune was still not close enough to be doing any launches Imo

But, if you slowly rev up to you 2-step limit you shouldn't knock at all... .

my car still isnt finished with surgery so im not doing launches right now, this was just something i thought about previously

 

[Archer Fabrications]

i have not yet pulled the wideband and wrap it in a gassy towel yet to calibrate for the richest it will go yet, but i think i have that part dialed in pretty close using the method i stated earlier with a video camera and open loop. how can i get rid of this knock in 4th? timing got pulled really low here because of it. but its also in an area in the timing map that has low numbers, can i please get some advise?