[RESOLVED] pacesetter turbo manifold any good? (No.) [Merged 5-8]

[tsiawdspeed]

I was looking in a magazine and they said that Pacesetter made a header for the turbo. Does anyone know about the quality or performance of the header?

 

[jake98gst]

Originally posted by coltboostin
... So anyone with it on the car like to step up to the plate?

That's exactly the problem. People have the DNP manifold and will swear that it's worth every penny. Nobody has this thing on a 4g63 yet and the people with the DNP manifold seem to want to find any reason possible to make themselves feel better about spending too much. Or maybe the mani just sucks. No one knows.

And jdm, calm the f*ck down. I know you just spent 3-4 grand on an entire setup and will defend any part of it. But what if this manifold works out. You could have saved hundreds. I have no problem with buying "cheap shit" and "jerry-rigging" it to be stronger and longer-lasting than what you have. Think about it from the perspective of the college student who everytime he finds a dollar doesnt buy something, but hangs out with it, takes it for a walk, and spends quality time with it. Realize that people are on budgets and will make anything work. Oh...

Originally posted by coltboostin
Sure that thing is the sexiest piece of machinery to hit your engine bay since the turbo sitting next to it...

...and take a damn compliment. You have a kick ass car; nice job.

Then again, this manifold may suck from the start. Cracked welds can be dealt with. I'm interested in design.

Jake

 

[GaRn]

how did you get a car that runs 12's for 250 bucks?

 

[Wobble]

""People have the DNP manifold and will swear that it's worth every penny""

hell yea, you drop $500+ on a damn manifold you better say its the best thing since sliced bread, orr everybody else will call you an idiot.

 

[coltboostin]

Well, I bought my colt dl for 50 bones, it needed a head gasket, but drove. I got a back-smashed 93 Gs-t for 150$, throw in 50$ for misc. stuff, and bada bing. 12 seconds for 250$. I ran those old times at the shootout when I was only rockin the stock turbo junk (MAF, injectors, turbo, yada yada yada). I have a bunch more stuff on the car and in the garage that should put it in the 11's no problem. It is all about power to weight ratio. Eclipse power+My weight (2085 full interior )

Now where the hell did GS>< GO to with the butt dyno results?!

 

[GaRn]

wow thats pretty cool!

 

[GS><]

Well the results are in and I would definatly say that there is a big improvement over the ported 2g manifold. My brother has a 56 trim(I dont know the specifics I just know that it is a agp rs65 and that it is internally gated) and it DEFINATLY spools up much faster. I dont know how that other person had slower spool up, but whatever. Before we put the header on his car was just a little slower then my camaro ss and now he pulls on me a little. My butt dyno is not in tune right now so i really couldnt tell you how much better it is but definatly much better then the ported 2g was. The exhaust tone has definatly changer also. it sounds much angrier now and he is really happy with it. As far as beefing up the welds goes we did nothing. We tried welding other shit first with no luck so we decided not to burn a hole in the header. We just wrapped it to cool down the engine bay and that is all. As far as worring about it rusting and screwing up shit I really dont think that it will be a problem. As long as the car isnt your weekend only car it shouldnt have time to get all wet and rusty. And everyone that doesnt like the header then go start a thread that is all about how you wasted all you money on a 600 dollar header. That jdm guy must have spent around 15k on all the shit he has on his car, So congradu-fuc|(ing-lations your my hero. I dont care if you have a small college budget or not there is no reason to spend that much money on a header, that is out of control, those people that charge that should be drug out into the street and shot. and that is about all that I have to say about that. PEACE


John

 

[jdmawd]

Originally posted by GS><
That jdm guy must have spent around 15k on all the shit he has on his car, So congradu-fuc|(ing-lations your my hero. I dont care if you have a small college budget or not there is no reason to spend that much money on a header, that is out of control, those people that charge that should be drug out into the street and shot. and that is about all that I have to say about that. PEACEJohn

Come back in a year and tell us how its been holding up. Those things are falling apart and being sent back left and right. Good luck and happy boosting

 

[jake98gst]

Wow jdm, good self-control. I would have expected you to blow up on him and defend your shit.

Anyway...GS><...Got any numbers? How much faster spoolup? One guy said he got 600 rpm faster spool up on a DNP header with a T25. I can get to liking that.

Jake

 

[bigfoot]

Originally posted by GS><
those people that charge that should be drug out into the street and shot. and that is about all that I have to say about that. PEACE
John

So which is it John? Shoot businessmen or peace?

 

[GaRn]

hahaha.. sometimes you have to shoot people to obtain peace..

sorry, had to say it

 

[jake98gst]

Oh, I forgot to ask a few things of the header also, GS><...
Like I said before, how many rpms faster is spool up? Did you guys do anything to the header before you put it on? such as enlarge the collector area (I think someone was saying something about that) or coat it with anything or whatever??? Or did you just take it right out of the box and slap it on?

Thanks,
Jake

 

[coltboostin]

Fantastic. Thats what I like to hear.

 

[arffy]

just my .02 cents on the debate and not to add fuel to the argument of whats better cheap or expensive.

The purpose of headers wether on a n/a or turbo'd car is about getting exhaust out of the engine not so much about thru the exhaust. When using individual runners over a manifold there is less back pressure at the valve and port were as a manifold the other firing cyl.s are backing up the next firing one instantly causing reverberation and less cyl. filling on the next stroke. the other benifit is it will also produce whats called scavanging which pulls exhaust out and premotes better cyl. filling on the next stroke, always a better thing, wether you can feel it in the seat of your pants or not.

I know from dyno results headers will raise hp/tq levels reguarless of the amount. In doing so it it is usually at a higher rpm level thus raising the curve. which in my opinion would raise the spool up at least a couple hundred rpm, but would most likely still pull harder at the same rpm due to the higher hp/tq level there. Well enough babaling.

I personally have used pasesetter headers on other american muscle cars with good results. I have a pacesettrer catback on my Talon right now ans love it (especially for the price) and was going to go with their downpipe as wel until I found a better deal on a Megan. I am still going to go with their header but waiting til I am ready to upgrade the turbo and do both at the same time. Imost definately will go with their ceramic coated and would never go with anything other than ceranic or SS on anything I own due to much past exsperiance with how long any mild steel painted headers last, it's just not worth not spending the extra 100-150 if you plan on keeping the car for a long time. Just my opinions on this subject, hope to have not offended anyone, but pasesetter is around for a reason....


Here are some others opinion if you interested and also the lowest prices I found on the headers.

Other professional thougts on pasesetter. http://www.spswebpage.com/tech/index.php?articleID=install-pace

Summit price of painted $130 #70-1225

Summit price of coated $267 #70C1225

http://store.summitracing.com/default.asp?target=search.asp&type=bymanufacturerspart&searchtype=both

 

[GS><]

we didnt do anything to the header except wrap it. We just arent knowledgeable of welding it and I dont know anyone around here that can so i wasent really worried about it. I will unwrap them every once in a while to ensure that everything is in order. I realluy couldnt say how much faster that it spools up cause it isnt my car I havent even driven the car, but head to head it got faster. And I too am suprised to see that jdm didnt strike back, guess I am right.....he he he. . See ya


KILL PEACE



John

 

[jdmawd]

Originally posted by GS><
we didnt do anything to the header except wrap it. We just arent knowledgeable of welding I realluy couldnt say how much faster that it spools up cause it isnt my car I havent even driven the car

My butt dyno is not in tune right now so i really couldnt tell you how much better it is but definatly much better then the ported 2g was.

and there you have it.

 

[coltboostin]

Damn JDM, you are just a hater. I dont like people like you as much as I dont like the people that say "well my boy's got a hunda that would kill ur car, runs 10' son street tires" F-in Morons. You seem to be the kind of person to think if its not my car, it is just not the bomb. My car is the best think that ever drove on this earth. Well, thats not the case. Dont be a hater. Its OK not to like a certain peice of equipment, but then be civil about it. Say, I beleive the pacesetter manifold is not a good buy because.... and go from their. No need to be like Man that think is a peice, look at my sh*t, cause its the bomb and better than yours! Common man, dont be insecure about ur big purchas. If you haev somehting constructive to say, then add to the discussion, dont hate. And this doesnt just go for him, it goes for all.

 

[buzzard]

i might be stupid but why do you even need the thing at all. there are 500hp cars that have ported 1g and 2g manifolds. they crack, there made by the cheapest aftermarket exhaust company, and youre buying it sight unseen on ebay. for example a gvr4 with a fp red ran 11.33 and made 496hp with close to 400 ft lbs with a ported 95. use the money to buy other parts on your wish list that will make a bigger difference.

 

[jdmawd]

Originally posted by coltboostin
Damn JDM, you are just a hater. I dont like people like you as much as I dont like the people that say "well my boy's got a hunda that would kill ur car, runs 10' son street tires" F-in Morons. You seem to be the kind of person to think if its not my car, it is just not the bomb. My car is the best think that ever drove on this earth. Well, thats not the case. Dont be a hater.

Good points so lets take some random owner comments into consideration. Lets compare the difference of opinion. Lets begain with reviews of the Pacesetter Header

1)
The welds on the other hand are horrible, they probably will not last long under high boost.

2)
the manifold tubes are not equal length, spool-up might be a problem.......

3)
Performance: Because I tune for knock counts and fuel/timing I tune more with my DSMlink then my EGT. This is all tuned at @ 24 PSI on 93 pump gas, 0 knock count and good timing. At idle, exhaust tones stayed the same. On boost/full throttle the exhaust had a very different sound, very mean sounding! Spool-up..... well.....well....well.....spool-up suffered big time. Before the new manifold I was hitting full boost (24psi) @ 4000rpm and now it hitting full boost @ 4600rpm. So on that note the new manifold will be coming off soon. DAMN....my work wasn't done.

4)
I bought the ceramic coated one and immediately the coating flaked off the as soon as the tubes got up to temp. STRIKE#1. #4 and #2 cylinder cracked around the weld on the head side after removing and reinstalling three times. STRIKE #3

Hello Pacesetter! This thing is garbage take it back.

Hello DN Performance send replacement header ASAP!

Now lets look at some random DNP Header reviews

1)
got one too and the quality of it looks great. Good looking welds and the flanges are nice and thick.

2)
No problems here. I have had it installed since around Christmas and my car is a daily driver. Still in perfect shape. It helps my L2R reach full spool by 3500 rpm, and that still with the shitty stock sidemount I/C.

3)
I got the DNP exhaust manifold and installed yesterday. The exhaust manifold is very well built and I do realize my spool time was about 300~400rpm faster.


4)
It's been on the car now for 1 full year at this time. No problems what so ever. No cracks, no leaks & no rust. I drive it everyday and love it.


5)
I have also had this on my car for 9 months now as a daily driver. Through winter, spring and all of summer. No problems whatsoever.

6)
Well, after struggling with the Pacesetter crap I bought a DN Performance header and for what I paid it's worth every cent. As for performance the car seems no different, but the spool time is shorter


In conclusion please don't make baseless comments on my points of view. I do lots of research on parts before I spend my hard earned money now.

 

[dsmturboawd]

excellent.

I sent that POS back after finding 'huge' weld berries inside the runners.

yikes!

 

[Wobble]

Originally posted by jdmawd
Good points so lets take some random owner comments into consideration. Lets compare the difference of opinion. Lets begain with reviews of the Pacesetter Header

1)
The welds on the other hand are horrible, they probably will not last long under high boost.

2)
the manifold tubes are not equal length, spool-up might be a problem.......

3)
Performance: Because I tune for knock counts and fuel/timing I tune more with my DSMlink then my EGT. This is all tuned at @ 24 PSI on 93 pump gas, 0 knock count and good timing. At idle, exhaust tones stayed the same. On boost/full throttle the exhaust had a very different sound, very mean sounding! Spool-up..... well.....well....well.....spool-up suffered big time. Before the new manifold I was hitting full boost (24psi) @ 4000rpm and now it hitting full boost @ 4600rpm. So on that note the new manifold will be coming off soon. DAMN....my work wasn't done.

4)
I bought the ceramic coated one and immediately the coating flaked off the as soon as the tubes got up to temp. STRIKE#1. #4 and #2 cylinder cracked around the weld on the head side after removing and reinstalling three times. STRIKE #3

Hello Pacesetter! This thing is garbage take it back.

Hello DN Performance send replacement header ASAP!

Now lets look at some random DNP Header reviews

1)
got one too and the quality of it looks great. Good looking welds and the flanges are nice and thick.

2)
No problems here. I have had it installed since around Christmas and my car is a daily driver. Still in perfect shape. It helps my L2R reach full spool by 3500 rpm, and that still with the shitty stock sidemount I/C.

3)
I got the DNP exhaust manifold and installed yesterday. The exhaust manifold is very well built and I do realize my spool time was about 300~400rpm faster.


4)
It's been on the car now for 1 full year at this time. No problems what so ever. No cracks, no leaks & no rust. I drive it everyday and love it.


5)
I have also had this on my car for 9 months now as a daily driver. Through winter, spring and all of summer. No problems whatsoever.

6)
Well, after struggling with the Pacesetter crap I bought a DN Performance header and for what I paid it's worth every cent. As for performance the car seems no different, but the spool time is shorter


In conclusion please don't make baseless comments on my points of view. I do lots of research on parts before I spend my hard earned money now.

I dunno if youdidnt go back in read, have a short attention span.. or what...

but it HAS ALREADY BEEN ESTABLISHED!! that a 500+ doller header is better than a 120 doller one, so dont sweat the research on it..


as for the pace setter slowing spool slower than stock because the runners are not = lenght.. i find this hard to believe.. because the STOCK runners are ALL different lenghts.. none of them are the same, the pace setter one has 3 that are pretty close and 1 that is shorter...

dont get it.

 

[jdmawd]

Originally posted by Wobble
I dunno if youdidnt go back in read, have a short attention span.. or what...

but it HAS ALREADY BEEN ESTABLISHED!! that a 500+ doller header is better than a 120 doller one, so dont sweat the research on it..


as for the pace setter slowing spool slower than stock because the runners are not = lenght.. i find this hard to believe.. because the STOCK runners are ALL different lenghts.. none of them are the same, the pace setter one has 3 that are pretty close and 1 that is shorter...

dont get it.

If you expect to be taken seriously.Consider using some type of spell check service, and attempt to use some form of proper punctuation.

 

[coltboostin]

The only person to compain of a slower spool was the guy that got his car tuned. All others said their was a big decrease in spool time and big butt dyno gains in power. It makes sense that the guy that got his car tuned at the same time he put the header on was the ONLY person to complain about a worse spool time, maybe a case of poor tuning?

 

[jdmawd]

Originally posted by coltboostin
The only person to compain of a slower spool was the guy that got his car tuned. maybe a case of poor tuning?

Safely running 24psi in pump gas with a large turbo requires some tuning skill. Looks like he knew what he was doing. Maybe the manifold is complete garbage like the reviews suggest.

 

[GaRn]

why are we still arguing about this? either you like it or you dont, theres no need to bash it if you have an expensive manifold to justify your spending alot of money on yours, and theres no need to justify getting something cheap, who cares what anyone else thinks?

your not going to change anyone elses mind at this point.

i dont use punctuation because im lazy and its much faster, im not gettin a grade on it, couldnt care less.

 

[GS><]

Oh crap dont tell me that jdm is my grade school grammer teacher. Now I am screwed, before you decide to be a jerk ...dont. NO ONE likes arrogance. No my butt dyno is not it tune, but I find it interesting that you didnt quote me when I said that we raced his car against my camaro before and after and it was slower before and faster after. I hate being mean to a specific person but you really arent cool. Your car is, but that appearantly it is supposed to make up for your lack of coolness(look that one up in the DICKtionary) happy flaming


John