New 16G Dyno Numbers on C16

[Purevil]

Except in post 30 of this thread you'll see that a stock Evo 8 makes 240/240 on this particular dyno. I doubt the dyno is all that high, if any at all.

Yes, for a stock 2003-04 evo that is high. 03-04 evo's dyno 225-235 on mustang dynos. My car an 05' (factory hp went up in 05), it should read 245-ish on your average dyno. Every dynojet I have ever seen reads high, I doubt this one is the acception. Also every dyno is different and the numbers are nothing more than a fancy tuning aid.

Its proven, that Curt knows what he is doing. He has been setting records in these cars for years. But even he cannot break the laws of physics when it comes to airflow. Factor out the extra 20-30whp from the dynojet and he is exactly where the numbers say he should be.

 

[danl]

Don't even start making dyno excuses, I will personally lash out on you. If you don't know what your talking about STFU. I've personally been on that dyno with my Evo 9, which has also been on a Mustang dyno. Its accurate enough and not overly optimistic. I've been on a few dynos in my DSM years (with my personal cars) and the dyno that he uses is good.

I said it before. Spend more time in your garage looking at things a different way trying to go faster and less time on the internet claiming bullshit.

Now I think some people need to chime in and make some apologizes. Thats what a man would do.

 

[TSIfreek]

It's not all about airflow, and this isn't the first time they've done it.

Luke airflow makes HP. The more airflow a turbo can put out the more air the engine can digest to produce power. I dont care who is tuning it what special parts are used etc unless there is a hidden N2O kit on the car I just dont see it happening. We can argue about this all day long it all comes down to proof and here there really isnt any besides a dyno sheet. If it can be done on 2 diffrent dynos then it deserves to be in the Guiness book of world records.
If this is true you can put that motor in a 3150 LB AWD 1g and run high 10s. Would love to see that one! Wont happen on 16g power alone. Maybe with a 100 shot.
No dought the car is making good power.

 

[Coal Sausage]

I think its not true. I don't believe any of it. Someone told me curt brown has a self lubricating wheel bearing system that decreases friction and therefore makes a dyno read higher. I bet if we looked under his dash we would find satan. I have the exact same mods and curt rubbed his balls on it and it picked up 34.6whp. Someone also told me he three fist ####ed a monkey to get power. I bet his car has nitrogen. I bet if you look closely under the seat you will find old greasy eaten chicken bones. I heard curt killed someone one time.

You guys kill me. This car made the power. RESPECT IT!
The end.

 

[Purevil]

Don't even start making dyno excuses, I will personally lash out on you. If you don't know what your talking about STFU. I've personally been on that dyno with my Evo 9, which has also been on a Mustang dyno. Its accurate enough and not overly optimistic. I've been on a few dynos in my DSM years (with my personal cars) and the dyno that he uses is good.

I said it before. Spend more time in your garage looking at things a different way trying to go faster and less time on the internet claiming bullshit.

Now I think some people need to chime in and make some apologizes. Thats what a man would do.

No need for threats. Just personally lash out son, I can take it.

I'm sorry if every number that has been posted from "this particular" dynojet seems high, just like every other dynojet. Im not saying its a bad dyno, we just need to realize that it is a dynojet and they do have a history of reading high. If you calculate out the airflow power numbers and take into account that its reading 20whp high, the numbers match up exactly where the should.

We can debate this all day and get no where. We won't know for sure until he runs it at the track. If Curt is making so much power, he definatly has an ace up his sleeve because there is no way he is doing it on a 16g.

 

[red91gst]

You guys still won't believe it even if I show you video etc, and I don't really give a ####.

I made the post to show you what power it MADE, its not a discussion, I don't need to prove anything.

I rode in the car on the street after the dyno, it is a low ten second car.

With the good motor in the car it WILL run a 9.8 at around 138mph, and make over 500awhp I'll put money on it...

 

[crazy_skier]

well again, do you do any out of state tuning? (looks like your in pennsylvania

 

[GVR4592]

Luke airflow makes HP. The more airflow a turbo can put out the more air the engine can digest to produce power. I dont care who is tuning it what special parts are used etc unless there is a hidden N2O kit on the car I just dont see it happening. We can argue about this all day long it all comes down to proof and here there really isnt any besides a dyno sheet. If it can be done on 2 diffrent dynos then it deserves to be in the Guiness book of world records.
If this is true you can put that motor in a 3150 LB AWD 1g and run high 10s. Would love to see that one! Wont happen on 16g power alone. Maybe with a 100 shot.
No dought the car is making good power.

Airflow doesn't make horsepower, I posted this in the other thread. If you have Dsmlink get a datalog of a good run, then pull 15 degrees of timing and add 10% fuel. Airflow won't change, but horsepower will. It makes the whole airflow argument irrelevant, you can flow 50 lbs/min and make 250whp or 500whp.

 

[GVR4592]

My brother is running 28psi and 27* timing with 272's on his 16g with e85 and I would estimate him at around 380whp. Is that dyno known to show higher numbers than normal. Some dynos can show up to 20% more power than others on the same car.

That could be too much timing, you would need to get it on a load holding dyno and play with the timing numbers to reach mbt. Power will fall off if you advance timing past mbt, usually it doesn't happen on a turbo engine because of detonation, but I've never used E85 so that could be the contributing factor.

 

[RedEyeBanDiT]

what do you have for weight reduction to run that good of a time? enlighten me

 

[1992awdlaser]

Nobody believed the pump gas numbers on the 2g either at first. Now everybody does after it ran what it did at the track. I don't think these guys would lie or even have a reason to lie. Curt Brown has been proving for years that he knows how to make a car fast without going extreme.

 

[JayRolla]

That could be too much timing, you would need to get it on a load holding dyno and play with the timing numbers to reach mbt. Power will fall off if you advance timing past mbt, usually it doesn't happen on a turbo engine because of detonation, but I've never used E85 so that could be the contributing factor.

Power is definently not dropping off. I do know what you talking about though. When my buddy was tuning his 2.4l stroker with a t67 he added so much timing that the motor lost power and he had to come back. E85 just does not detonate at all. I think I said a little high, he is around 24* by redline.

 

[JayRolla]

I never said he didnt make the power, I just dont believe it. Even if he hits a low 1/4 mile, what does the car weigh. He strips those cars to pretty much nothing and wieght to power is crazy. Maybe since I'm up here in the altitude thats why my bros car is not making as much. Its just crazy all the people that have ran 16's and no one comes close to 500whp. It just sounds insane.

It will just be incredible if he gets a 500whp dyno slip no madder the dyno on that 16g. He probably has a 20g wheel inside of, j/k. I dont want to start another fight.

Also hell the hell did he make 460whp on PUMP if Im reading that right!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I can barely make 300whp on a 16g with crappy pump.

 

[rrussell]

Hes figure out a way to run some killer bsfc numbers.

That and a lot less hp loss through the drive-train.

I still would love to see some pics. Even though I know it won't show any speed secrets.

 

[SBR Joe]

I never said he didnt make the power, I just dont believe it. Even if he hits a low 1/4 mile, what does the car weigh. He strips those cars to pretty much nothing and wieght to power is crazy. Maybe since I'm up here in the altitude thats why my bros car is not making as much. Its just crazy all the people that have ran 16's and no one comes close to 500whp. It just sounds insane.

It will just be incredible if he gets a 500whp dyno slip no madder the dyno on that 16g. He probably has a 20g wheel inside of, j/k. I dont want to start another fight.

Also hell the hell did he make 460whp on PUMP if Im reading that right!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I can barely make 300whp on a 16g with crappy pump.

I have been in both of the cars and they are tastefully gutted. Still have stock front leather seats, dash, radio, heat, carpet, panels..all the comforts of a DD car are retained. No back seats and such. A lot of reducing weight isnt actually removing things, its replacing heavy things with lighter things like wheels, driveshaft, etc.


The 460whp was on C16.

Joe

 

[pboglio]

I'm glad I read this thread. I've seen this at work actually. The biggest disbelievers are the ones who are SCARED or feel threatened. Geez, congrats are in order man 460 a.w.h.p.

A bigger man gives credit, show some class guys. If you post a dyno on a turbo and it doesn't pull what it should, you get slammed. If you post a dyno on a turbo and it pulls MORE than it should, you get slammed. I've learned a very important lesson, its not worth posting dyno pulls period.

 

[DSM90AWD]

It's a healthy thing to question things that you may have never seen before, but at the same time need to keep an open mind as many such things are true. Who'd of thought a 14B could run 10s, an AWD DSM could run 7s or an EVO2 could run 0-215MPH in a Mile?

So when is this new car going to hit the track?

 

[red91gst]

So when is this new car going to hit the track?

As soon as PRP opens, which is March 29th.

 

[danl]

No need for threats. Just personally lash out son, I can take it.

I'm sorry if every number that has been posted from "this particular" dynojet seems high, just like every other dynojet. Im not saying its a bad dyno, we just need to realize that it is a dynojet and they do have a history of reading high. If you calculate out the airflow power numbers and take into account that its reading 20whp high, the numbers match up exactly where the should.

We can debate this all day and get no where. We won't know for sure until he runs it at the track. If Curt is making so much power, he definatly has an ace up his sleeve because there is no way he is doing it on a 16g.

Ok, since I'm allowed in your particular case.

You sir are a moron. I stated that I know the dyno and it does not read overly high. I dynoed my nearly stock Evo on it. You are basically insuenating that I am a liar by stating the dyno is respectable and that nate is a liar when you are stating that the power was not made on the turbo stated. You guys asked for a dyno sheet and you got it, now your calling more semantics. I will never be over. Even when the car runs well you'll pick apart at more semantics. Like I said earlier learn to wrench and you'll get similar numbers. Until then let the big boys set the benchmarks and mind your own.

 

[chicagoavenger]

Congrats!!!

 

[Purevil]

Ok, since I'm allowed in your particular case.

You sir are a moron. I stated that I know the dyno and it does not read overly high. I dynoed my nearly stock Evo on it. You are basically insuenating that I am a liar by stating the dyno is respectable and that nate is a liar when you are stating that the power was not made on the turbo stated. You guys asked for a dyno sheet and you got it, now your calling more semantics. I will never be over. Even when the car runs well you'll pick apart at more semantics. Like I said earlier learn to wrench and you'll get similar numbers. Until then let the big boys set the benchmarks and mind your own.

Glad you got that out in the open, don't you feel better now? No skin off my back, sometimes angry people just need to vent sometimes... So how much did your nearly stock evo put down, you seemed to have left that part out during your rant? All I said was that every Dynojet reads high, its a proven fact, do a google search and you can read all about it on numerous forums. Maybe this one is different, I could be wrong. I'll admit it, if I am wrong. It's really no big deal. Maybe its just me but for some reason every number that anyone has posted so far has been a little on the high side.

For the record, I never asked for a dyno slip.

The problem isn't that he made power, he's been doing it for years, but the fact that it was done with a 16g. There has to be some logical explanation for the power other than Curt Brown being the Chuck Norris of 4g63's. The whole reason people are questioning this isn't because the feel threatend, but because no one has ever achieved numbers anywhere near these on a 16g and perhaps the community could benifit and learn from his expertise. I'm not calling anyone a liar or anything like that, Im sorry if you feel that way.

 

[pickens]

Well put Purevil.

 

[JrCRXHF]

Well good job on the numbers if they are true.

I think it is good people are asking questions i don't know how it was done and i think that a little more information would be nice with out giving all the details.

Like i have a evo 3 and a full 3 turbo back no cat and a big front mount and so on and don't come close to those numbers.

So lets get a parts run down on this setup.

From fuel to motor and driveline.
He would want to sell more parts right?

 

[BGGSTin]

Glad you got that out in the open, don't you feel better now? No skin off my back, sometimes angry people just need to vent sometimes... So how much did your nearly stock evo put down, you seemed to have left that part out during your rant? All I said was that every Dynojet reads high, its a proven fact, do a google search and you can read all about it on numerous forums. Maybe this one is different, I could be wrong. I'll admit it, if I am wrong. It's really no big deal. Maybe its just me but for some reason every number that anyone has posted so far has been a little on the high side.

For the record, I never asked for a dyno slip.

The problem isn't that he made power, he's been doing it for years, but the fact that it was done with a 16g. There has to be some logical explanation for the power other than Curt Brown being the Chuck Norris of 4g63's. The whole reason people are questioning this isn't because the feel threatend, but because no one has ever achieved numbers anywhere near these on a 16g and perhaps the community could benifit and learn from his expertise. I'm not calling anyone a liar or anything like that, Im sorry if you feel that way.

How is this still being argured and poured over from like 3 threads ago...

Everyones case is basically being presented like a record is impossible to be broken or that odd things don't fall in your favor or that some people may just dedicate so much more time, money, and headaches into something that when they finally do find that combination that works best they don't want to share what's happened. Well in this case it was share'd and it's still disputed like everythings pulled out of our asses.

Read the threads on the 2g about some of the things that Andrew's done to it. I can say that I know of NO ONE ELSE that's gone through the headaches and time spent on certain portions of their car.

...Are you guys working with large group of people who's lives are cars?
...Do you guys have a dyno freely available to try anything spur of the moment?
...Do you guys have pretty much unlimited funds?
...Have you devoted weeks worth of your time to tuning one car?
...Are you certified in any aspect of tuning, are you paid to do it?
...Do you guys have the availability to any tool imaginable?
...Do you guys go to the track every weekend, have problems, troubleshoot and make them better?
...Do you guys ever switch tracks because one of them blows and doesn't have any track prep, i.e. "there's no traction capn' "?
...Do you state the words: impossible, no, never?
...Do you know the big people in the industry?
........there's much more.....

Can you answer yes to all of those...if you can then you've probably not answered a question truthfully...that's why the things happen that happen as a result of those creating the happening.

Oh, and this is just my opinion but why the hell would I disclose anything that makes me do something better than other people? ESPECIALLY those same people who talk shit the moment I say I did it...maybe that's why we've accomplished the things we have because everytime we set a goal we have everyone telling us it can't be done.

Curt Brown > Chuck Norris of 4G63's > You

Your Post Count > any TPG member

...notice the relationship?

 

[Purevil]

You TPG guys are the almighty DSM gods. No shop can compair with your badass-ness...

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We are not even worthy to be in your presence... I'm starting to wonder if this entire thread is just a shameless plug for your shop? I mean you guys seem to enjoy pointing out the fact that you can make un-explainable power no one else can touch, not even Buschur, AMS, Magnus or even Shep can compair... So far the only explaination that anyone has given was that the car was tuned at TPG WTF... Get real guys...

I'm now positive that there is a very real reason the car made crazy power and you guys are fully aware that you will be called on it if you explain anything. You guys refuse to show an airflow log or even discuss the car at all. Besides that, why would Curt pull the BR Stage 3 engine and drop in a stock 7 bolt? Why would he take out his ported head with those new fp beehive springs and put in a stock one with just cams? It doesn't make any sense at all...

And stop telling everyone that the reason people don't make numbers like these is beacuse we don't know what we're doing. Thats straight up bullshit. The whole reason your getting called out on these numbers is because people know exactly what they are doing and they are fully aware of what that turbo is capable of.