New 16G Dyno Numbers on C16

[90laserRSfwd]

I wanna go for a ride!

 

[LaserAWD]

Besides that, why would Curt pull the BR Stage 3 engine and drop in a stock 7 bolt? Why would he take out his ported head with those new fp beehive springs and put in a stock one with just cams? It doesn't make any sense at all...

You do realize this is a completely different car than the last one right? Go back and read post #42

 

[kraka]

Aluminum driveshaft helps. Well done, can't wait to this thing in the 9's. I think you already beat the Evo stock turbo record (16g), which might I add was also set by Curt Brown ha.

 

[Purevil]

You do realize this is a completely different car than the last one right? Go back and read post #42

Its not the same 16g terror he was playing with in December?
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[LaserAWD]

No, not according to post 42. Also in the other post around here about the 10.3 they state that Curt sold the car to someone else. I believe he then bought it back for parts and it sounds like the guy in post 42 now owns that shell.

 

[SBR Joe]

Heres the dyno numbers from 3 years ago on meatballs 1g!!! C16 i believe....oh, and did i mention it was an EVO3 16g. Enjoy boys!




Joe

 

[Slowboy]

AHHH - it is like the good ole days - TUNERS DRAMA!

However, unlike the good ole days my mouth is zipped tied shut (New Years resolution that I am sticking to)!

Nate - you are the man - when you and my bro get back from the Bahamas we will have a beer.

16G power forever.

PEACE -

The NEW and IMPROVED,

Mike Huml
Slowboy -

 

[BGGSTin]

beatentodeath:WTFWTF

You TPG guys are the almighty DSM gods. No shop can compair with your badass-ness...

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We are not even worthy to be in your presence... I'm starting to wonder if this entire thread is just a shameless plug for your shop? I mean you guys seem to enjoy pointing out the fact that you can make un-explainable power no one else can touch, not even Buschur, AMS, Magnus or even Shep can compair... So far the only explaination that anyone has given was that the car was tuned at TPG WTF... Get real guys...

I'm now positive that there is a very real reason the car made crazy power and you guys are fully aware that you will be called on it if you explain anything. You guys refuse to show an airflow log or even discuss the car at all. Besides that, why would Curt pull the BR Stage 3 engine and drop in a stock 7 bolt? Why would he take out his ported head with those new fp beehive springs and put in a stock one with just cams? It doesn't make any sense at all...

And stop telling everyone that the reason people don't make numbers like these is beacuse we don't know what we're doing. Thats straight up bullshit. The whole reason your getting called out on these numbers is because people know exactly what they are doing and they are fully aware of what that turbo is capable of.

Nates on vacation ass hole...TPG is a bunch of friends who help out to make a fast car, so yea it's a big plug. I havn't talked to him or anyone else in the past few days because I'm in college and have other things to do at the moment. Get real over thinking this a a shop plug...I didn't post the straight fact because i don't want to get them wrong.

If you'd actually know us, not one person's an asshole, or ignorant or anything else of that matter, no one claims to be better or whatever the F*cK your implying. However you don't know us and your categorizing it as such, so I'll just be an asshole. Just close this stupid ass thing before anymore posts are made because nothing else can be proven....all the proofs there if you don't believe it then whatever, I'm pleased.

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I bet you feel so much better now, im going to go crawl into a dark closet and cry myself to sleep now. Your the master of disaster and the term of the nator and the e of the peen and the macho of the man, you've got 2 guns with you at all times and you put the cheese in cheesy and the beef in beef cow and the hard in ass and the dick in moby dick and the sheep in serta and the micro in soft and the ap in apple and the ban in bannanna and the or in orange and the tooth in toothpaste and the tri in dent and the lum in luminescence and the co in my fee and the C in up and the tee in shirt and the blue in the sky and the white in the clouds and the clear in the rain and the g in the odd and the con in tacts and the american in eagle and the holl in ister and the pee in the each and the tri of the state and the enemy of the state and the hemp in the lotion and the spray in spraypaint and the light in bulb and the son in sun and the green flashy light in my router and you put the oil free in the moisturizer and the orange light in the external hard drive and the silver in my pen basket and the star in my bucks and the dr in my pepper and the cable in my ties and the i in my home and the simple in my vanilla and teh focus in my formula and the key in my keyboard and the t in he and the a in and and the b in bee and the c in cow and the d in dinosaur and the e in extraordinary and the f in for and the g in get and the h in home and the i in in and the j in jackrabbit and the k in kangaroo and the l in llama and the m in monster and the n in nocturnal and the o in octopus and the p in platapus and the q in quarter and the r in rhinosaurus and the s in steeler and the t in tyranosaurus rex and the u in ultra and the v in victory and the w in wax and the x in xylaphone and the y in yawning and the z in zepher.

 

[2DSMs]

Notice how the mod list says FP 16G, not whether it's big or small or EVO. Is it a coincidence that FP makes the "sleeper" 16G. I believe it's the "sleeper" that he's running.
You never had me fooled. End of story.

 

[1992awdlaser]

Lol.

 

[SBR Joe]

Notice how the mod list says FP 16G, not whether it's big or small or EVO. Is it a coincidence that FP makes the "sleeper" 16G. I believe it's the "sleeper" that he's running.
You never had me fooled. End of story.

I can vouche 100% sure that it is a plane jane evo3 16g...i worked on the car before...a number of times, its legit so stop complaining because you guys cant see those kind of results on your average car. Were not dealing with extra terrestrial beings here, this is believable.

Oh and you are OBVIOUSLY fooled.

Joe

 

[Purevil]

Look at this from everyone else's point of view.

If anyone else had posted numbers like these and then kept quiet about the car, everyone on the entire forum would have called bs. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe it just simply makes power because Curt touched it, whatever I don't care anymore. I'm sorry I took a cheap shot at your shop, that was uncalled for on my part. I apologize.

I love how when anyone questions anything on these forums anymore, they are automatically called random vulgar/childish names and assumed to be a worthless noob.

 

[Black_Bullet]

Well good job on the numbers if they are true.

I think it is good people are asking questions i don't know how it was done and i think that a little more information would be nice with out giving all the details.

Like i have a evo 3 and a full 3 turbo back no cat and a big front mount and so on and don't come close to those numbers.

So lets get a parts run down on this setup.

From fuel to motor and driveline.
He would want to sell more parts right?

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Aluminum driveshaft helps. Well done, can't wait to this thing in the 9's. I think you already beat the Evo stock turbo record (16g), which might I add was also set by Curt Brown ha.

Ive had recurring thoughts about an aluminum d/s. I want max performance without going o.d. on hp. Could you Tpg guys tell me your experiences and gains with that? Most ppl will say they arent needed, or its the last thing theyd do. Im just trying to think outside the box.

I can vouche 100% sure that it is a plane jane evo3 16g...

Joe

Plain like average joe buys it and bolts it on, or was work done to it to make it flow more?
Theres probably more to it.

Look at this from everyone else's point of view.

If anyone else had posted numbers like these and then kept quiet about the car, everyone on the entire forum would have called bs. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe it just simply makes power because Curt touched it, whatever I don't care anymore. I'm sorry I took a cheap shot at your shop, that was uncalled for on my part. I apologize.

I love how when anyone questions anything on these forums anymore, they are automatically called random vulgar/childish names and assumed to be a worthless noob.

Im not biased in any way, but I can see where your coming from, which is a logical stand point from years of being taught what was considered norm, and then someone coming along and doing otherwise. People didnt believe that you could make a machine to fly thru the air at first also either... You got to believe in the super natural first

Ok im not funny, but what i dont like is how dsmers are so secretive like their cars are apart of a government conspiracy towards each other.We should not be discrediting each other either, if this is a break thru for 16g'ers we need to share some of the tips instead of this dsm El33t mindstate.

Hey i only dynoed 271 awhp and 304 lbs/torque on 20psi pump gas supporting mods, all stock motor, chip tune, send me in the right direction. Id be happy for even 340awhp on pump when these cams and fp mani comes with more tuning. I dont think ppl are asking for all your martial arts secrets from the Mt. Fuji hidden scroll, just demonstrate a kick or two ya know, because obviously you guys are doing something different than the rest of us....

 

[tkelly27]

Airflow is generally just an estimation of maximum HP, there are a lot of other factors that go into it, especially on a chassis dyno. I'm not saying this is what they did (or that they did anything like this) but an example would be a gear treatment I had read about in a certain RWD magazine not too long ago. They micro surface finished the gears in the differential and gained 6hp, at the wheels. If you do that in the two differentials, the transmission, add in lower rotating mass of lighter wheels and drive shaft, you could easily be seeing more than 30 extra hp to the tires. Just in the drive train alone you can free up a lot of power robbing friction, and who knows what people making 270hp with 16g's are leaving on the table every where else in their combination. A car is a complete system, not just an engine.

As stated before, airflow is just an estimate of hp, change your timing, change your fuel trims, change your compression ratio, change how much heat the engine wastes, etc. etc. and you'll be making more or less.

It's entirely possible this is real, it's also possible that there is some trickery going on. Just because it hasn't happened before doesn't mean it can't! It's hard to say either way until it runs the 1/4 mile and it's weight is given. You can't really fake 1/4 mile runs : D

 

[JayRolla]

I just cant wait to see the 500whp. He will always be known as the 14b/16g god.

 

[BGGSTin]

Airflow is generally just an estimation of maximum HP, there are a lot of other factors that go into it, especially on a chassis dyno. I'm not saying this is what they did (or that they did anything like this) but an example would be a gear treatment I had read about in a certain RWD magazine not too long ago. They micro surface finished the gears in the differential and gained 6hp, at the wheels. If you do that in the two differentials, the transmission, add in lower rotating mass of lighter wheels and drive shaft, you could easily be seeing more than 30 extra hp to the tires. Just in the drive train alone you can free up a lot of power robbing friction, and who knows what people making 270hp with 16g's are leaving on the table every where else in their combination. A car is a complete system, not just an engine.

As stated before, airflow is just an estimate of hp, change your timing, change your fuel trims, change your compression ratio, change how much heat the engine wastes, etc. etc. and you'll be making more or less.

It's entirely possible this is real, it's also possible that there is some trickery going on. Just because it hasn't happened before doesn't mean it can't! It's hard to say either way until it runs the 1/4 mile and it's weight is given. You can't really fake 1/4 mile runs : D

This sir have quite possibly the best explanation on this thread. You havn't really taken sides and you've provide facts for both arguments. You're an open minded individual.
For that I <3 You.

P.S. If you have facebook...be my facebook friend...that's how much I like your post.

 

[90laserRSfwd]

I'd like to see the car run also. I know no one is going to be giving out secrets, or whatever you want to call them, because let's face it, it is a race the car. One way to stay competitive in racing is to not let your secrets out of the bag. I just wanted to let everyone know that whether the car runs a 9 or a 12, at the end of the day, Curt is the only one that his car has to impress... I want an evo III 16g though too now! , a plain jane one like curt has. Hello Forced Performance.......

 

[rhamlinii]

Curt Brown................... That's all that would need to be said for me to believe it. I must say that if it happened to be someone else, i'd be ready to say bullshit.



Good luck with the car, any more information that could be shared would be nice.

 

[kraka]

I just cant wait to see the 500whp. He will always be known as the 14b/16g god.

Well, behind Joe Bucci of course

 

[SBR Joe]

Plain like average joe buys it and bolts it on, or was work done to it to make it flow more?
Theres probably more to it.

Nope....you call up FP, buschur or us and ask for a ported e316g, and itll be the exact same thing as whats on the car...in fact, i believe that turbo was on the car when Curt bought it.


Joe

 

[1SloColt]

Maybe if some of the people on here knew how to build a car properly they'd actually make the power an evo 3 compressor can produce. My brother's summit on a MHI evo3 16g with 2.5" exhaust, 264/272 cams, and tiny front mount made ~340 at 20psi on 2g timing at 91 degree ambient temps uncorrected! You throw in the same stuff Curt has, which is a better intake cam, better FMIC, SMIM, 3" exhaust, ported turbine housing and I don't see how an evo3 can't make anything but 375whp or better on pump.

 

[SBR Joe]

Well, behind Joe Bucci of course

Until Curt drives the car to the track, beats Bucci's current record..without n20, and drives the car home.


Joe

 

[fp-green-95tsi]

And everyone wonders why the big guys dont post on this board. Since we are talking about Curt, I got a kick out of him 2 years ago at the shootout in his evo. He was parked next to us in the hotel with 4 slicks in the back of the car. Drove to the track, swapped wheels, ran something like 9.30's, swapped back to the radials and drove home.

 

[crimsondragon]

What I wouldn't kill to have that knowledge in his brain as well as all the secrets. I wish my car could make 400fwhp on pump. Hell I wish it could make 300 already. But alas, patience is virtue.

 

[Nvisabl]

AHHH - it is like the good ole days - TUNERS DRAMA!

However, unlike the good ole days my mouth is zipped tied shut (New Years resolution that I am sticking to)!

Nate - you are the man - when you and my bro get back from the Bahamas we will have a beer.

16G power forever.

PEACE -

The NEW and IMPROVED,

Mike Huml
Slowboy -

YOU PANSY call me sometime