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I just dont understand. Anyone can tune a car, theres not really any huge tricks. Just because he's a good tuner doesnt mean he can just magically make more power than other people can. I dont see how a turbo with that low of airflow can make that power.

My brother is running 28psi and 27* timing with 272's on his 16g with e85 and I would estimate him at around 380whp. Is that dyno known to show higher numbers than normal. Some dynos can show up to 20% more power than others on the same car.

I hate how everyone always says we are dealing with Curt Brown. What special stuff does he do to get this extra 50hp just from tuning. Also how the hell you break 400whp on pump gas, if thats what Im reading right??????
 
Whoever made the post about the MAFT and link are give false air flow readings are not completely correct. You have to recalibrate it but once done, it is pretty much on the money.
 
JayRolla said:
I just dont understand. Anyone can tune a car, theres not really any huge tricks. Just because he's a good tuner doesnt mean he can just magically make more power than other people can. I dont see how a turbo with that low of airflow can make that power.

My brother is running 28psi and 27* timing with 272's on his 16g with e85 and I would estimate him at around 380whp. Is that dyno known to show higher numbers than normal. Some dynos can show up to 20% more power than others on the same car.
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I've said before, its not all in the tuning. The car being setup correctly has alot to do with the power, especially in this case.

The dyno is correct, a stock EVO8 on this dyno makes 240/240.

JayRolla said:
I hate how everyone always says we are dealing with Curt Brown. What special stuff does he do to get this extra 50hp just from tuning. Also how the hell you break 400whp on pump gas, if thats what Im reading right??????
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Curt has been doing this longer than you have known about DSMs. There are tricks and secrets, more than you will ever know. This is why his car and our TPG 2g are faster than similar cars with similar mods.
 
pickens said:
By "setup" correctly what do you mean? A stock 7-bolt with basic bolt-ons?
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Its all the little things. Rotating weight, parts selection, intake design... There alot of factors that determine how much power makes it to the wheels other than how much power the motor actually produces.

Secrets are exactly that, secrets. When you spend years researching and try parts you tend to keep the information quite. There is no special voodoo magic high horsepower man juice in there. :sneaky:
 
Its nice to see a 16g make this much power even though its rated at 380hp. Just wondering could you get around 600whp on an 20g being that you got this much power from a 16g? Just wondering thats all?
thanks
 
Now if he could do the same on E85 you'd see this guy right here selling his T3/4 setup and swapping down to something that spools before 4.2k RPM AND making big power :D.
 
JayRolla said:
I just dont understand. Anyone can tune a car, theres not really any huge tricks. Just because he's a good tuner doesnt mean he can just magically make more power than other people can. I dont see how a turbo with that low of airflow can make that power.

My brother is running 28psi and 27* timing with 272's on his 16g with e85 and I would estimate him at around 380whp. Is that dyno known to show higher numbers than normal. Some dynos can show up to 20% more power than others on the same car.

I hate how everyone always says we are dealing with Curt Brown. What special stuff does he do to get this extra 50hp just from tuning. Also how the hell you break 400whp on pump gas, if thats what Im reading right??????
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IT's not all in the tune. A TON of power can be had through thousands of other little tricks while putting the motor together, or things that are done to it like porting and other "hand ground" changes to certain parts, and probably some "un-obtanium" parts in there as well.

Extracting peak HP from the tune is just one step of the whole part of building a race motor to be powerfull and last more than one run.

but hold on...the motor is claimed to be all stock, does that inlcude the head?

SBR Joe said:
With the built engine and E85 im sure youll see 500+whp. Hello 9's.


Joe
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Now this i gotta see, hell i still want to see vid of a 16G on the car on the dyno making that kind of power. I'm not discrediting it, it's just one of those things that's so outrageous that i would have to see to truely be a believer and pass the workd on that a 16G can make 500 HP.
 
SBR Joe said:
Not the same car, very similar though...i actually have that car now..hehe. Curt bought that car back and i got the shell from him. That was the car that made 451 awhp on e85, and that was a high compression 2.0. His car now made more power with a stock bottom end, it will make well over 500 with the built engine and E85....guaranteed.


Joe
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Ahh gotcha. There are just too many former- and current- Curt Brown cars out there doing insane things with 16G's these days!
 
red91gst said:
HKS 272s, JMF old race version
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Looking at how late the power comes on for a 16g, and the fact that it's starting to fall off around 6500, have you considered trying something like FP1X cams or an extrude honed stock intake to better suit the powerband of the turbo?
 
Steve93Talon said:
Looking at how late the power comes on for a 16g, and the fact that it's starting to fall off around 6500, have you considered trying something like FP1X cams or an extrude honed stock intake to better suit the powerband of the turbo?
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Spoolup is pretty consistent with other 16g cars that I have tuned and the power is falling off do to the turbo not holding boost. With the higher compression motor in (2 compression points) the power will hold to nearly 8k, as seen in the dyno graphs from the E85 motor.
 
Keep in mind these numbers are on a dynojet, which read a little on the high side. My bone stock 05' Evo tagged 274 whp on a dynojet, which is 30hp more than what any other dyno would have read. This factor would put Curt's numbers right where they should be according to the airflow numbers.

Curt Brown's dyno numbers aren't what will be impressive, just wait until this beast hits the track.
 
Purevil said:
Keep in mind these numbers are on a dynojet, which read a little on the high side. My bone stock 05' Evo tagged 274 whp on a dynojet, which is 30hp more than what any other dyno would have read. This factor would put Curt's numbers right where they should be according to the airflow numbers.

Curt Brown's dyno numbers aren't what will be impressive, just wait until this beast hits the track.
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Except in post 30 of this thread you'll see that a stock Evo 8 makes 240/240 on this particular dyno. I doubt the dyno is all that high, if any at all.
 
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