Resolved 2G Engine Rebuild

[RubyEclipse]

Hello everyone! I just purchased my 1996 Eclipse GST a few months ago, had some issues with a few different things. Most recent was car was smoking and running very uneasy, so I decided to pull the engine. I am going to do a full engine rebuild-ish, I bought new wisco heads, still looking at the rods I want, if there’s anything anyone thinks I should buy and upgrade I would love help! Trying to push more power but not an insane amount seeing how I want this to be more of a daily but not quite. Thank you guys!

 

[pauleyman]

I dont remember that fitting. Can u show us?

 

[RubyEclipse]

I dont remember that fitting. Can u show us?

That’s this one right here.it seems to be flared too.

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This is what they gave me. He said the inverted flare goes to the fuel filter, and the flared side goes to the hose.

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Will these work or do I need another part?

 

[pauleyman]

That looks correct if that flare angle is correct. The first Pic, is that 45 degrees? Stick the corner of something square in it. Should sit flat on the flare.

 

[RubyEclipse]

So in the back towards the tank it worked amazing. Like super good. No leaks, no nothing. By the fuel rail though, same story. Its actually leaking on top of the fuel filter where the fuel rail hose and the filter meet.

I cannot tell if the piece I put in is stopping it from leaking or not though. Should I get a new fuel filter and try or what do I do?

 

[pauleyman]

So in the back towards the tank it worked amazing. Like super good. No leaks, no nothing. By the fuel rail though, same story. Its actually leaking on top of the fuel filter where the fuel rail hose and the filter meet.

Do you have the copper crush washers in place?

 

[RubyEclipse]

Do you have the copper crush washers in place?

I do, took it off and tightened it down again, first leak. But it still does from the filter, I don’t remember who said I might need a new one if the flare got bent, but I’m going to go grab one. No matter how tight I go on the front it leaks. That filter if going to be the end of me.

 

[pauleyman]

I do, took it off and tightened it down again, first leak. But it still does from the filter, I don’t remember who said I might need a new one if the flare got bent, but I’m going to go grab one. No matter how tight I go on the front it leaks. That filter if going to be the end of me.

Its only leaking from the top?

 

[RubyEclipse]

Its only leaking from the top?

No, I did fix that. Now it is only leaking from the filter connections in the bottom.

 

[DreamChaser7]

The Rear Main seal housing has to be removed also, don't forget the tail end.

Definitely easier before it’s on the stand I found that out.

 

[RubyEclipse]

So I tried starting it with the fuel lines hooked up. Seems almost like oil and coolant coming from, or alongside my exhaust. It’s trying, but i don’t think it’s getting the right fuel or, something.

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It sounds like a muscle car because I haven’t put my exhaust on yet.

 

[pauleyman]

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It sounds like a muscle car because I haven’t put my exhaust on yet.

It shouldn't take that long to start. Something isn't right.

 

[RubyEclipse]

It shouldn't take that long to start. Something isn't right.

That’s what I was scared you were gonna say… I am going to double check my timing tonight, I don’t think that’s it, I’m pretty good and making sure everything is tightened and aligned.

What should I check or try next though? I don’t really understand what would make it not start.

Anyone got any ideas of clues as to why it sounds like this and won’t start? Should I do a compression test or what do I do?

 

[DSMPT]

Anyone got any ideas of clues as to why it sounds like this and won’t start? Should I do a compression test or what do I do?

Make sure the mechanical valve timing and the spark plug wire ordering is correct or just try to switch the wire ordering, like 4123 <-> 3214. This is one of most common no-start causes especially after rebuilding the engine.

 

[RubyEclipse]

Make sure the mechanical valve timing and the spark plug wire ordering is correct or just try to switch the wire ordering, like 4123 <-> 3214. This is one of most common no-start causes especially after rebuilding the engine.

You got it. I will absolutely try that, I am praying it’s something stupidly simple. I don’t know if it adds or not, but even when it was like the smallest bit starting, the RPMS did not move one bit. I saw the lil pressure gauge moving so we have pressure. i was worried about the bearings and crank. I’m going to also check timing marks.

Thank you very much by the way, thank you all. I am so happy and excited. I’ve got much much smaller leak by the fuel filter, think I need to tighten it a wee bit more, but it is so so much less than before.

So I am currently redoing my timing. I took a look at it and really thought it was all messed up and janky, but it doesn’t seem like it is. Another thing I saw is that my pressure plate or whatever behind the crank bolt is, is a little wonky. Tad bit bent in some spots and stuff. Could be a problem or no? Is it worth replacing or looking into? I think my car is not shooting fuel into the car, and that is what is causing the fuel pressure build up. I mean it seems backed up to where it’s dumping fuel onto the ground. I want to do a compression test to make sure I did the rings right, I’m like 99% sure I did. I check every single ring multiple times too. I have new spark plugs in so I’m going to switch up their order and whatever tomorrow like @DSMPT had said to do. Just to make sure it’s not that. I’m really trying to think of whatever else it could be. Isn’t it really those main 3 that stop it from starting, Compression, fuel, and spark? I don’t have any vacuum lines disconnected or wires. Maybe a ground isn’t set up correctly? Or the wires to the spark plugs? I don’t know. Just all guesses here. Thanks again guys for the help. I got until next Tuesday with this car to have a ton of time, after that I will be decently busy. Hopefully able to complete it by then, I’m really praying I’ll be able too.

 

[Bigbeanbird]

I do, took it off and tightened it down again, first leak. But it still does from the filter, I don’t remember who said I might need a new one if the flare got bent, but I’m going to go grab one. No matter how tight I go on the front it leaks. That filter if going to be the end of me.

Dang it, always something huh..

So I am currently redoing my timing. I took a look at it and really thought it was all messed up and janky, but it doesn’t seem like it is. Another thing I saw is that my pressure plate or whatever behind the crank bolt is, is a little wonky. Tad bit bent in some spots and stuff. Could be a problem or no? Is it worth replacing or looking into? I think my car is not shooting fuel into the car, and that is what is causing the fuel pressure build up. I mean it seems backed up to where it’s dumping fuel onto the ground. I want to do a compression test to make sure I did the rings right, I’m like 99% sure I did. I check every single ring multiple times too. I have new spark plugs in so I’m going to switch up their order and whatever tomorrow like @DSMPT had said to do. Just to make sure it’s not that. I’m really trying to think of whatever else it could be. Isn’t it really those main 3 that stop it from starting, Compression, fuel, and spark? I don’t have any vacuum lines disconnected or wires. Maybe a ground isn’t set up correctly? Or the wires to the spark plugs? I don’t know. Just all guesses here. Thanks again guys for the help. I got until next Tuesday with this car to have a ton of time, after that I will be decently busy. Hopefully able to complete it by then, I’m really praying I’ll be able too.

Do you have spark?? Check the compression but that should be sano , if ya do have spark use some starter fluid in tiny bursts and crank it.. it should at least grumble a couple times.. maybe rotate the pressure plate and see if it helps..
Never had that much trouble with fuel leaks so I can’t really speak about the DSM setup, but, make dang sure you get it straightened out before you go boostin..
If I were you, uh, you do have ECMLink right?? Anyhow I’d get it to the grumble stage before ya worry about the plug wire cross..
Tired, goodnight and may God bless

 

[pauleyman]

Yiu cant have a bent plate. That plate triggers the crank sensor. Show us please.

 

[RubyEclipse]

Dang it, always something huh..


Do you have spark?? Check the compression but that should be sano , if ya do have spark use some starter fluid in tiny bursts and crank it.. it should at least grumble a couple times.. maybe rotate the pressure plate and see if it helps..
Never had that much trouble with fuel leaks so I can’t really speak about the DSM setup, but, make dang sure you get it straightened out before you go boostin..
If I were you, uh, you do have ECMLink right?? Anyhow I’d get it to the grumble stage before ya worry about the plug wire cross..
Tired, goodnight and may God bless

I did use starter fluid, but it wasn’t a small amount. It was actually a lot. And it grumbled for sure, it barely started and then when I let off the starter, it died. It sounded a lot better when I first had tried to start it not going to lie.

Yiu cant have a bent plate. That plate triggers the crank sensor. Show us please.

Of course. It’s not terribly bent or super bad, but it definitely has some spots.

 

[pauleyman]

I did use starter fluid, but it wasn’t a small amount. It was actually a lot. And it grumbled for sure, it barely started and then when I let off the starter, it died. It sounded a lot better when I first had tried to start it not going to lie.

You shouldn't need starter fluid. Not even on first startup. Something is wrong. No fuel ot spark. Did it flag a code?

 

[RubyEclipse]

You shouldn't need starter fluid. Not even on first startup. Something is wrong. No fuel ot spark. Did it flag a code?

No, surprisingly. I did not. I checked and checked but nothing ever came up. I think I’ll pull the spark plug and see if it lites. It’s either that or fuel. I can go back through my fuel line and see if there’s a link or something, it’s making it all the way to the fuel filter for sure, but I don’t know about my injectors.

 

[pauleyman]

No, surprisingly. I did not. I checked and checked but nothing ever came up. I think I’ll pull the spark plug and see if it lites. It’s either that or fuel. I can go back through my fuel line and see if there’s a link or something, it’s making it all the way to the fuel filter for sure, but I don’t know about my injectors.

My guess is injectors aren't firing. Biggest suspect you've mentioned is the trigger plate.

 

[Bigbeanbird]

I did use starter fluid, but it wasn’t a small amount. It was actually a lot. And it grumbled for sure, it barely started and then when I let off the starter, it died. It sounded a lot better when I first had tried to start it not going to lie.


Of course. It’s not terribly bent or super bad, but it definitely has some spots.

Dude, why did you use a whole bunch of starter fluid?? Not good man.. the only reason I said to use it is because it’s way more flammable than gasoline so if there was even a tiny spark, the fluid would ignite before gasoline, obviously it did.. but too much can do big damage.. I would have slapped your hands for spraying that much.. at least you had a spark, right??

 

[RubyEclipse]

My guess is injectors aren't firing. Biggest suspect you've mentioned is the trigger plate.

Okay, got it. My guess was to much pressure build up, I took off the top bolt for the fuel filter, and man you should’ve hear how long the air hissed how. I mean it was like cracking a soda. Air just hissed for a few seconds out.

Dude, why did you use a whole bunch of starter fluid?? Not good man.. the only reason I said to use it is because it’s way more flammable than gasoline so if there was even a tiny spark, the fluid would ignite before gasoline, obviously it did.. but too much can do big damage.. I would have slapped your hands for spraying that much.. at least you had a spark, right??

Yes, I did. Is to much that bad…? I did not know that, how is it that bad?

 

[Bigbeanbird]

Yes, I did. Is to much that bad…? I did not know that, how is it that bad?

I’ve heard stories of holes being burned in pistons, always been careful with the stuff because it is so volatile but if you got even a weak spark it will ignite the fluid and let you know at least you have a spark.. im sure it has a proper A/F mixture just like gasoline, don’t know what it would be.. hope you get your leaks all sealed up so ya can drive it for awhile

 

[pauleyman]

Okay, got it. My guess was to much pressure build up, I took off the top bolt for the fuel filter, and man you should’ve hear how long the air hissed how. I mean it was like cracking a soda. Air just hissed for a few seconds out.

Air??? Shouldn't be air. Should be fluid.

 

[RubyEclipse]

Air??? Shouldn't be air. Should be fluid.

There was seemed like a pressure build up. Only did it once or twice. But that makes sense if I’m putting air into the lines, then I’m trying to start it but the fuel has no where to go. And the injectors aren’t opening. They would just be closed, holding everything including the air.