Resolved 2G Engine Rebuild

[RubyEclipse]

Hello everyone! I just purchased my 1996 Eclipse GST a few months ago, had some issues with a few different things. Most recent was car was smoking and running very uneasy, so I decided to pull the engine. I am going to do a full engine rebuild-ish, I bought new wisco heads, still looking at the rods I want, if there’s anything anyone thinks I should buy and upgrade I would love help! Trying to push more power but not an insane amount seeing how I want this to be more of a daily but not quite. Thank you guys!

 

[Justin DuBois]

I gotchu. This is everything. I definitely think @SixBolt_16G was right, i definitely did not tighten them tight enough.

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If you can't get the input on the fuel filter to seal - you may need a new filter - Note the deformed lines on the bubble taper. That should be a smooth taper without an edge smashed into it. It may not seal properly.

 

[RubyEclipse]

If you can't get the input on the fuel filter to seal - you may need a new filter - Note the deformed lines on the bubble taper. That should be a smooth taper without an edge smashed into it. It may not seal properly.

I’m gonna need a new fuel filter because it’s Bent in? But the side I put to it is flat.

 

[pauleyman]

I can't tell what it is. You might take the filter and fitting to the shop. Tell them that's an SAE flare on the bottom and yiu want it to be a male AN. I think you're close but Im betting that fitting you have is not SAE on the side you're screwing into the filter.

 

[RubyEclipse]

I can't tell what it is. You might take the filter and fitting to the shop. Tell them that's an SAE flare on the bottom and yiu want it to be a male AN. I think you're close but Im betting that fitting you have is not SAE on the side you're screwing into the filter.

Got it. Would that be for both sides? The hose coming from the tank, and the fuel filter?

Wait so does that mean the filter housing is flared? Because that would definitely describe that problem. Is the hose coming down from the tank also flared? I had flat ends going to both the fuel line from the tank, and the fuel filter. Only the new fuel line had the flared end.

 

[Bigbeanbird]

The fitting in your hand. What is it? The left side is obviously a male AN and the hose will screw onto this. What is the other side? What does the package say?

Dude, I wasn’t aware of the different angles, thanks

If you can't get the input on the fuel filter to seal - you may need a new filter - Note the deformed lines on the bubble taper. That should be a smooth taper without an edge smashed into it. It may not seal properly.

Good point

Wait so does that mean the filter housing is flared? Because that would definitely describe that problem. Is the hose coming down from the tank also flared? I had flat ends going to both the fuel line from the tank, and the fuel filter. Only the new fuel line had the flared end.

I don’t think I’ve ever seen fuel fittings that were flat.. always had a taper

 

[19Eclipse90]

But would you use a crush washers on the bottom? I wouldn't. Needs a flare adapter or scrap the stock filter or fix the stock feed. I see no other way. Nothing AN/JIC should be screwed into the stock filter.

No, crush washers only for the top (banjo bolt).

The bottom (feed) is a metric inverted flare tube nut. The flare nut forces the seal of the flared pipe to the inverted flare of the filter.

Yes, the filter housing is flared to “receive” or “mate” with the flared pipe.

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[RubyEclipse]

No, crush washers only for the top (banjo bolt).

The bottom (feed) is a metric inverted flare tube nut. The flare nut forces the seal of the flared pipe to the inverted flare of the filter.

Yes, the filter housing is flared to “receive” or “mate” with the flared pipe.

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Shoot, then what bolt will fit that filter housing? I no longer have the flare line so what would work now?

So I’m here right now at the hose shop, what exactly am I asking for? SAE flared instead of JIC?

But would you use a crush washers on the bottom? I wouldn't. Needs a flare adapter or scrap the stock filter or fix the stock feed. I see no other way. Nothing AN/JIC should be screwed into the stock filter.

So i need an SAE to the fuel filter, but what about my hose? Is it SAE or JIC fittings?

 

[19Eclipse90]

M14 x 1.5 tube nut. But you need to know what the diameter of the tube is (feed line OD). Standard options look like it ought to be 5/16”. Here’s an example of what it would look like.

https://www.theindustrialdepot.com/...-lines/5-16-dom-m14x15-surf-seal-inv-nut.html

12274 (12-274) by Midland | Inverted Flare Fitting | Metric Tube Nut | 5/16 Domestic | M14 x 1.5 Surface Seal Thread | Zinc Steel

12274 (12-274) Midland Inverted Flare Fitting - Metric Tube Nut - 5/16 Domestic - M14 x 1.5 Surface Seal Thread, Zinc Steel, is ideal for use with hydraulic brake, power steering, fuel lines and transmission cooler lines, LP and natural gas.

hosewarehouse.com

 

[RubyEclipse]

M14 x 1.5 tube nut. But you need to know what the diameter of the tube is (feed line OD). Standard options look like it ought to be 5/16”. Here’s an example of what it would look like.

12274 (12-274) by Midland | Inverted Flare Fitting | Metric Tube Nut | 5/16 Domestic | M14 x 1.5 Surface Seal Thread | Zinc Steel

12274 (12-274) Midland Inverted Flare Fitting - Metric Tube Nut - 5/16 Domestic - M14 x 1.5 Surface Seal Thread, Zinc Steel, is ideal for use with hydraulic brake, power steering, fuel lines and transmission cooler lines, LP and natural gas.

hosewarehouse.com

I have one of those if that’s the stock bolt, but i no longer have the metal feed line.

 

[pauleyman]

I have one of those if that’s the stock bolt, but i no longer have the metal feed line.

If you're committed to this new line you're going to have this same problem at the tank end. The fittings are inverted flare. The fitting you you have looked to be flare but I can't tell if it was JIC or SAE.

For sure the stock filter fitting is SAE on yhe bottom. . Tell the guy that.

 

[RubyEclipse]

If you're committed to this new line you're going to have this same problem at the tank end. The fittings are inverted flare. The fitting you you have looked to be flare but I can't tell if it was JIC or SAE.

For sure the stock filter fitting is SAE on yhe bottom. . Tell the guy that.

I can try both? So i need it flared on both sides?

So i need what size of SAE?

 

[19Eclipse90]

Ah. I wasn’t following along that closely.

So, as Paul has stated, you need to know what the male threads are that are now on the feed line. And the filter remains M14 x 1.5

It would be a M14 tube fitting straight adapter to whatever the male threads on the feed line are.

 

[RubyEclipse]

Ah. I wasn’t following along that closely.

So, as Paul has stated, you need to know what the male threads are that are now on the feed line. And the filter remains M14 x 1.5

It would be a M14 tube fitting straight adapter to whatever the male threads on the feed line are.

I need m14 by 1.5 flared to a 6AN flare?

The hose i bought is a 6AN but I don’t know what that means, it’s flared on both sides the hose and the fuel housing, so it’s double flared, but what does SAE mean? The guy was asking and he said what’s SAE on the fitting and I don’t even know.

 

[pauleyman]

Looks like all your lines are female JIC as they most commonly are. Kind of self explanatory from there. The input to the filter is metric 14mm inverted flare. Thats what you have to get to OR ditch the filter and buy one with male JIC ends.

 

[RubyEclipse]

Looks like all your lines are female JIC as they most commonly are. Kind of self explanatory from there. The input to the filter is metric 14mm inverted flare. Thats what you have to get to OR ditch the filter and buy one with male JIC ends.

Okay, I’ll get the 14MM flare, and then get the jic flare in the other end, should work them correct? I need 2 of those too right?

 

[pauleyman]

The hose i bought is a 6AN but I don’t know what that means, it’s flared on both sides the hose and the fuel housing, so it’s double flared, but what does SAE mean? The guy was asking and he said what’s SAE on the fitting and I don’t even know.

The fitting in your hand looks right IF the right side of it is metric SAE. You can see the flare inside. If that is leaking its probably JIC. You could be trying to match a 37 degree female flare to a 45 degree male flare. I can't tell from the picture.

 

[RubyEclipse]

The hose is flared, to which I do not know. I am going to get the male to male fittings, then test them out. I think you’re right about the JIC, it fit very nicely into the new fuel line. The only parts that didn’t is the only line to the tank, and the fuel filter. Those leaked bug time.

 

[pauleyman]

Did you screw the hose fitting directly to the tank fitting also? If so that's incorrect. Thats two different flares just like at the filter.

 

[RubyEclipse]

Did you screw the hose fitting directly to the tank fitting also? If so that's incorrect. Thats two different flares just like at the filter.

I put the flat side to the tank hose, I didn’t know it was flared. But would it not be a SAE flare too?

 

[pauleyman]

Flat side?
Don't think I'm explaining well. The kit you bought has female 37 degree JIC hose ends. They need to be screwed onto male AN fittings. The part in your hand is a male AN on the left side. The angle of the flare is 37 degrees. The flare at the tank and at the bottom of the filter are SAE and 45 degrees. You may be able to physically screw them together but they will not seal.

 

[RubyEclipse]

Flat side?
Don't think I'm explaining well. The kit you bought has female 37 degree JIC hose ends. They need to be screwed onto male AN fittings. The part in your hand is a male AN on the left side. The angle of the flare is 37 degrees. The flare at the tank and at the bottom of the filter are SAE and 45 degrees. You may be able to physically screw them together but they will not seal.

Yes, got it. That’s what I had meant I just did not say it correctly. I meant I had put the flat end of the adapter piece to the tank hose. The side that was not flared. It has leaked because the side I put towards it was not flared. So I am going to get a double flared adapter piece. My hose is originally female on both sides, which is why I need this piece in the first place.

 

[pauleyman]

Yes, got it. That’s what I had meant I just did not say it correctly. I meant I had put the flat end of the adapter piece to the tank hose. The side that was not flared. It has leaked because the side I put towards it was not flared. So I am going to get a double flared adapter piece. My hose is originally female on both sides, which is why I need this piece in the first place.

Look at this link.

STM -6AN Male to 14mm x 1.5 Female Bubble Flare Fitting

The STM -6AN Male to 14mm x 1.5 Female Bubble Flare Fitting is typically used with the DSM sending unit to convert lines to -6AN. Also fits the Evo 8/9 fuel hardline. Sold individually. Ships worldwide. Buy yours at STM!

stmtuned.com

Thats what you need on your tank side. You'll notice the inside looks exactly like the bottom of the fuel filter. Open the link and look at the pictures.

 

[RubyEclipse]

Look at this link.

STM -6AN Male to 14mm x 1.5 Female Bubble Flare Fitting

The STM -6AN Male to 14mm x 1.5 Female Bubble Flare Fitting is typically used with the DSM sending unit to convert lines to -6AN. Also fits the Evo 8/9 fuel hardline. Sold individually. Ships worldwide. Buy yours at STM!

stmtuned.com

Thats what you need on your tank side. You'll notice the inside looks exactly like the bottom of the fuel filter. Open the link and look at the pictures.

Got it ok. I’m not that high up on the fuel tank though, I’m using the line that drops down, is it still the same thing though?

Look at this link.

STM -6AN Male to 14mm x 1.5 Female Bubble Flare Fitting

The STM -6AN Male to 14mm x 1.5 Female Bubble Flare Fitting is typically used with the DSM sending unit to convert lines to -6AN. Also fits the Evo 8/9 fuel hardline. Sold individually. Ships worldwide. Buy yours at STM!

stmtuned.com

Thats what you need on your tank side. You'll notice the inside looks exactly like the bottom of the fuel filter. Open the link and look at the pictures.

I did see it looks the exact same. I’m here at the parts place, had to drive a bit further cause they’re the ones who have it. I’m getting SAE and JIC dual flared piece. 14MM by 1.5.

 

[pauleyman]

Got it ok. I’m not that high up on the fuel tank though, I’m using the line that drops down, is it still the same thing though?

The rubber line?

 

[RubyEclipse]

The rubber line?

Yes. The one that drops next to it. It only seems to come down a few inches. But I haven’t seen the top of the tank yet.