Which Turbo Should I Get [merged] What Turbo

[Ludachris]

Which turbo will be sufficient for consistent 11 second times? I've recently decided on a big 16g, but will that be big enough to run 11s with supporting mods and decent tuning? Remember, this is for a budget street car, so any one purchase over $1k is tough. A big 16g will run about $700-900, which is about $300-400 less than the larger alternatives.

Of course, I'll need lots of practice to run these times, but, I just want to make sure that it's possible before the money is spent.

 

[iBoostDSM]

Definitely agree with what everyone said but go with a e3 16g not a small. It has identical lag and also flows more.

 

[DSMTyson]

IF your looking for a daily driver 350 or so hp go with a 16g small with minor fuel upgrade, no need for 255 or 800cc injectors because youl need a tune.

try a 16g small walbro 190 with ## stock injectors. a 20g turbo would give you massive lag considering its a higher rpm turbo. small 16g is more of a middle wideband of rpm. 20g is more higher rpm.

Wow, that makes...sense.. You'll be maxing out a small 16g with those power goals.

Anyways. If you are shooting for 300-350whp you should go with:

Evo 3 16G
wally 255(room for upgrade )
Fuel Lab or aeromotive AFPR
750cc injectors(room to upgrade)
Full 3" exhaust
FMIC
1G BOV
ECMLink V3

 

[gofer]

^^^ But not in that order ^^^ Attaining 350AWHP on a 16g isn't an easy feet, especially on just 20-23psi and pump gas.

I fixed the order that I suggest getting the supporting mods before getting the 16g, or any other turbo upgrade for that matter.

Wow, that makes...sense.. You'll be maxing out a small 16g with those power goals.

Anyways. If you are shooting for 300-350whp you should go with:

ECMLink V3
Walbro 255 and adjustable fuel pressure regulator at the same time OR Walbro 190
1050cc injectors
---> Wideband o2 sensor and boost gauge
Full 3" exhaust
FMIC and 1G BOV at the same time
Evo 3 16G

^^^ Fixed.

 

[jordancespedes4]

Yeah why not? Build it until it breaks then build it more. If you have the budget go for it now but if your compression is good and all of the hard parts are in spec there's no reason to rebuild it just for the sake of rebuilding it.

That is a lot of turbo for 300 WHP though.

yes i ll make sure everything is i good shape , the reason why im thinkin 20g is because i read from another thread that 350hp is easier to get with a 20g than an e316g , and the 20g only cost 39$ more than the e316g from forced performance

 

[91stocker]

You should probably also tell him that that list is going to run him $2000-3000 too.

 

[jordancespedes4]

^^^ But not in that order ^^^ Attaining 350AWHP on a 16g isn't an easy feet, especially on just 20-23psi and pump gas.

I fixed the order that I suggest getting the supporting mods before getting the 16g, or any other turbo upgrade for that matter.

^^^ Fixed.

thanks for the advise , yes im geting all supporting mod before turbo , and thats why im thinkin 20g since is easier to get 350whp from it than the 16g

Yeah, like stated above, thats a lot of turbo. Try a 16g for 300 hp. That should satisfy you and the wallet. But i wold make sure all maintenance is good, and dont plan to boost past 20 pounds on stock head bolts. But yeah, run it til it blows. If you run it right with all supporting mods and make sure not to beat the hell out of it everywhere, it should be ok.

yea i read the 20g is good for 450whp , im thinkn 20g because i heard is easier to get 350 whp than a 16g , and they both cost about the same from force performance.

You should probably also tell him that that list is going to run him $2000-3000 too.

yea it probably will be around there , but in dont plan on getin all at once , first im doing the 3'' turbo back , fmic and then fuel mods

Wow, that makes...sense.. You'll be maxing out a small 16g with those power goals.

Anyways. If you are shooting for 300-350whp you should go with:

Evo 3 16G
wally 255(room for upgrade )
Fuel Lab or aeromotive AFPR
750cc injectors(room to upgrade)
Full 3" exhaust
FMIC
1G BOV
ECMLink V3

yes this are all the supportin mods im planin on getin , evo3 16g or a 20g from fp

 

[Quicksilver1695]

Dsmlink will be your best friend with either turbo.

 

[FLASH1970]

You could also go with an EVO9 pump... They flow jsut a tad bit more than a 190 and go for pretty cheap on EVO forums...

I'm not sure why gofer suggested 1050cc injectors unless I missed a part where you plan to run e85.

Also get a set of ARP head studs and put them in if you plan to push 350whp. 350whp on a 16g on pump gas can be done, but you need a lot more than the basic mods. If you want 350whp on a EVO3 16g, look into E85.

Here's what I would do.
1. Get an intake.
2. Get a wideband and boost gauge.
3. Then DSMLink, flashable ECU, SAFC & datalogger... whatever tuning route you want to go.
4. Manual boost controller after you're used to datalogging and can monitor knock and injector duty cycles and A/F ratios... you might be able to turn up the boost a pound or two.
5. Get the exhaust mods taken care of.
6. Now I'd get a fuel pump. Whether it's a 255 & AFPR, EVO9, 190... you're choice. Just run stock fuel pressure.
7. Then I'd save up to get the turbo, FMIC, and injectors all at once. Install them, then get it tuned. You can get an FMIC for looks, but with a stock turbo it's pointless. You can get the turbo first and the FMIC, but without fuel injectors you'll only be able to run wastegate pressure and just be putting wear and tear on parts that aren't getting you much more power if any at all.

 

[hurricanecris24]

yes i ll make sure everything is i good shape , the reason why im thinkin 20g is because i read from another thread that 350hp is easier to get with a 20g than an e316g , and the 20g only cost 39$ more than the e316g from forced performance

The reason the 20g cost only a little more from FP is cause it comes with a t3 housing which is not a direct bolt on unless you get a t3 manifold of course. you could swap the housing and adjust the wastegate to get it to work

 

[jordancespedes4]

You could also go with an EVO9 pump... They flow jsut a tad bit more than a 190 and go for pretty cheap on EVO forums...

I'm not sure why gofer suggested 1050cc injectors unless I missed a part where you plan to run e85.

Also get a set of ARP head studs and put them in if you plan to push 350whp. 350whp on a 16g on pump gas can be done, but you need a lot more than the basic mods. If you want 350whp on a EVO3 16g, look into E85.

Here's what I would do.
1. Get an intake.
2. Get a wideband and boost gauge.
3. Then DSMLink, flashable ECU, SAFC & datalogger... whatever tuning route you want to go.
4. Manual boost controller after you're used to datalogging and can monitor knock and injector duty cycles and A/F ratios... you might be able to turn up the boost a pound or two.
5. Get the exhaust mods taken care of.
6. Now I'd get a fuel pump. Whether it's a 255 & AFPR, EVO9, 190... you're choice. Just run stock fuel pressure.
7. Then I'd save up to get the turbo, FMIC, and injectors all at once. Install them, then get it tuned. You can get an FMIC for looks, but with a stock turbo it's pointless. You can get the turbo first and the FMIC, but without fuel injectors you'll only be able to run wastegate pressure and just be putting wear and tear on parts that aren't getting you much more power if any at all.

thanks for the advise on which parts to get first its very helpful , i dont plan on going to e85 just pump gas 93 octanes i think 660s-750s injectors would be good for me . yes thats what i been reading that is not so easy to get 350 out a e316g is possible but not easy thats why i think 20g will meet my goals more easier . ohh and how hard is to install a 20g

The reason the 20g cost only a little more from FP is cause it comes with a t3 housing which is not a direct bolt on unless you get a t3 manifold of course. you could swap the housing and adjust the wastegate to get it to work

so you sayin the 16g is less work , which would you recomend , geting a t3 manifold or swap the housing

 

[hurricanecris24]

Just takes common sense really i know theres plenty of threads on here on how to install turbos. if you cant do it you shouldnt own a dsm

 

[AWD Devious]

BIg 16G for you it is my friend.

 

[jordancespedes4]

Just takes common sense really i know theres plenty of threads on here on how to install turbos. if you cant do it you shouldnt own a dsm

i could do it i just want some advise , i ll look around thanks
i love my dsm

BIg 16G for you it is my friend.

thanks for the advise , i ll be lookin into a big 16g then thanks

My car is around 315whp and I got a 16g and it's great![/QUOT

how manny psi you running?

 

[FLASH1970]

BIg 16G for you it is my friend.

The EVO3 16g flows more than the Big 16... it'll be even HARDER to get the 350whp out of a Big 16.

 

[jordancespedes4]

The EVO3 16g flows more than the Big 16... it'll be even HARDER to get the 350whp out of a Big 16.

yes evo3 is much better

 

[1995 gst]

i wouldnt use a 20g turbo, if you want that high hp you will suffer massive performance, higher hp doesnt mean everything, 20g turbo will have some massive turbo lag and will get ## boost at near redline. to a 16g small would have full boost in the mid range.

 

[jordancespedes4]

i wouldnt use a 20g turbo, if you want that high hp you will suffer massive performance, higher hp doesnt mean everything, 20g turbo will have some massive turbo lag and will get ## boost at near redline. to a 16g small would have full boost in the mid range.

yea i been readin on the 20g , everyone says that a 20g under 20psi will be slow

 

[hydeco tsi]

i got a 16g on my tsi and i love it if you want good horsepower without all the boost lagg go with the
16g

 

[1995 gst]

have you made a decision of ## turbo? i still think 16g is the best way to go unless ## going to be a hard core drager.

 

[907gs-t]

But the FP BT-28 is a direct bolt-on & you don't need an install kit.

 

[1995 gst]

true but t28 are hard to get and expencive if u find one,

 

[98GSXtacy]

fp big t28 is 800ish iirc, evo3 is on sale for 500. Homemade install kit runs you 100 for the evo3. Therefore, evo3 with custom install kit is still 200 less and will flow more and have more potential. And btw, if you go with the fp 20g, you can find 16g turbine housings to swap to it all day on ebay for less than 75, so you can have a good 20g with a bolt on 7cm housing for less than 700. That sounds like a hell of a deal to me imho.

 

[MJBean420]

I dont know about that. I needed a new oil feed line. And oil return line.

 

[MJBean420]

I dont know about that. I needed a new oil feed line. And oil return line.

 

[98GSXtacy]

Which one are you talking about? the evo3 or the 20g? Because when I got my 14b, which would use the same feed and return lines as either of the above turbos, they were less than 40 shipped off of the forums. So that should not be an issue cost wise.

EDIT: Sorry, I just looked at your profile and see you have a fp t28. In that case however, why did you need a new oil feed and return line? They should have bolted up perfectly with your stock lines considering it's the same housing. Just curious why the stock lines didn't fit.