Where are the FWDs at????

[pneumo]

I don't know if this has been said before, but if you could have 2 out of these 3 mods on a fwd drag race car, which would you guys choose and why?
1. slicks
2. coilovers
3. LSD
choose only 2.

 

[9!'clipseDOHC]

I don't know if this has been said before, but if you could have 2 out of these 3 mods on a fwd drag race car, which would you guys choose and why?
1. slicks
2. coilovers
3. LSD
choose only 2.

Slicks would be the first choice! There is almost no point in even racing a FWD without slicks or radials. I learned that the hard way.

For coilovers it depends on what your suspension is to begin with. If it is stock then yes, that would be a huge upgrade. If it is already stiffer and/or adjustable springs and struts, then not so much.

For drag I was rather disappointed with my Quaife LSD with street tires. It didn't lower my 60' at all, I just spun both tires instead of 1. For the price I was expecting more. For autox it did make a noticeable difference though.

That said I would go with slicks and suspension.

 

[yoshi_tony]

New personal best for me! I went from a 14.1 @ 113 to a 13.1 @ 110 with the addition of Hoosier DOT drag radials. You can read more here and see the time slip data and the video: http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/dsm-build-journals/418713-9-eclipse-n-t-turbo-fwd-street-drag-autox.html#post152785687. Stock unported 14b, FWD, full interior (even the jack).

Tires were 225/50R16 Hoosier DOT drag radials at 18 psi. 60' was only a 2.20 with a slight bog so I know there is more. ZERO tire spin!

drop your tire pressure to 9-12psi it will help trust me nate!

 

[9!'clipseDOHC]

drop your tire pressure to 9-12psi it will help trust me nate!

My tire pressure was at 18 psi and I had zero tire spin and in fact was bogging a little on the line. If anything I might raise it back up to 20 psi in hopes of a higher top end.

 

[yoshi_tony]

my times got better i was running low 14's with the tire pressure at 14-20psi and too much tire spin and at 9-12psi i ran low 13 with not much tire spin...just saying from personal experience

heres a tip link Front Wheel Drive Lauching Tips

 

[1SloEvo]

My tire pressure was at 18 psi and I had zero tire spin and in fact was bogging a little on the line. If anything I might raise it back up to 20 psi in hopes of a higher top end.

Raise your launch rpm. Drag radials tend to work best on the 15-16 psi range. Slicks typically do best for most people around 12 psi or so. A while back I took my SRT to the track. Only mods were intake, wga at 15 psi and slicks. My best 60' was on 12 psi launching at 4200 rpm. If you are bogging that bad, rev it up more on the launch. You actually wasn't just a little spin top save the drivetrain.

I don't know if this has been said before, but if you could have 2 out of these 3 mods on a fwd drag race car, which would you guys choose and why?
1. slicks
2. coilovers
3. LSD
choose only 2.

Thats a tough one. Can I weld thestock open differential? If the situation is that I must use an open diff, I would choose the LSD and slicks. The softness of the stock suspension works good on the front. Then I would just get spring limiters to keep the back from squatting.

 

[canada4g63]

I don't know if this has been said before, but if you could have 2 out of these 3 mods on a fwd drag race car, which would you guys choose and why?
1. slicks
2. coilovers
3. LSD
choose only 2.

Slicks , lsd

 

[9!'clipseDOHC]

my times got better i was running low 14's with the tire pressure at 14-20psi and too much tire spin and at 9-12psi i ran low 13 with not much tire spin...just saying from personal experience

heres a tip link Front Wheel Drive Lauching Tips

Raise your launch rpm. Drag radials tend to work best on the 15-16 psi range. Slicks typically do best for most people around 12 psi or so. A while back I took my SRT to the track. Only mods were intake, wga at 15 psi and slicks. My best 60' was on 12 psi launching at 4200 rpm. If you are bogging that bad, rev it up more on the launch. You actually wasn't just a little spin top save the drivetrain.

My fourth pass on the DR's was when they stated hooking like crazy. That pass I launched at 3500 and it was a perfect launch. I did the same thing on the next pass and it bogged a little. I'm not talking about a big bog, just slight pause before it took off. Next pass I raised the launch RPM to 4000 and again it bogged ever so slightly before taking off. Clearly the tires were getting stickier as they were "broken in" and getting hotter.

I am going back to the track on Friday and I will be raising the launch RPM in increments of 500 until i get a good launch. If I start to lose traction, then I will lower the tire pressures, until then, I will leave them at 18 psi or even move them back up to 20 psi. I had ZERO tire spin. Complete Traction. With that, lowering the pressure would only hurt me at the end of the track. There is nothing to be gained by lowering the tire pressure when you already have complete traction.

I'm not trying to sound like I know everything when it comes to slicks or drag radials, lets face it I've only made 6 passes on them. But until I start to lose traction, I won't be lowering the the pressure. I know there is a LOT left in these tires and it makes me very excited! I'm looking forward to what I can do on my next 6 passes as I continue to dial the launch in and continue to raise the boost. Thanks for the replies!

Tony, I didn't know you had hit the 13's! Congrats! Last I heard was at the end of August when you first tried out your slicks.

....i did horrible with the slicks i just didnt know how to use them Sergio help alot but at the 3rd pass i was just mad i did between 16's to 17's on the slick and i did 14.9 at 103 but the car was blowing smoke by then and on crappy tires and on a blown turbo

 

[yoshi_tony]

yeah i first time i tried them were then and i was doing 15-16's at 104-110 and my slicks were at 18-20psi spinning all 1st and 2nd launching at 4000rpm, and was doind 14.1-14.4 on street tires... so i set them the next time at 11psi warmed them up for about 15sec. launched it like an AWD at 5500rpm and ran 13.3 at 116 my 60' i believe it was 2.3sec

I don't know if this has been said before, but if you could have 2 out of these 3 mods on a fwd drag race car, which would you guys choose and why?
1. slicks
2. coilovers
3. LSD
choose only 2.

slicks

and

LSD

 

[daplatano91]

Finally got a decent launch from my car since I went auto. Car went 11.583 @114 on 22psi after I let off. Tech told me I couldn't run faster than 11.5 with out my roll bar. Time slips and video on our facebook. I got the cage installed next trip to the track is the 19th. I will be letting the dogs out as long as the tranny holds up.

 

[rhamlinii]

I don't know if this has been said before, but if you could have 2 out of these 3 mods on a fwd drag race car, which would you guys choose and why?
1. slicks
2. coilovers
3. LSD
choose only 2.

Slicks and the LSD, I've cut 1.6 short times in fwd honda.

 

[shortydtp]

My tire pressure was at 18 psi and I had zero tire spin and in fact was bogging a little on the line. If anything I might raise it back up to 20 psi in hopes of a higher top end.

FWD Rule of thumb . If your not spinning them you aint launching it hard enough

drop tires psi to 9-10 and raise your rev limiter if you have one. bogging a fwd is no good for your et's

 

[9!'clipseDOHC]

FWD Rule of thumb . If your not spinning them you aint launching it hard enough

drop tires psi to 9-10 and raise your rev limiter if you have one. bogging a fwd is no good for your et's

I am going back to the track on Friday and I will be raising the launch RPM in increments of 500...

I want the highest tire pressure i can run while still maintaining traction. Out of 6 passes really only the last 3 gave me the feel of the tires and I was raising the boost (dialing in my BBG setup) and 2 step after each of those passes. I will continue raising the boost and launch RPM. If I start losing traction, then I will lower the tire pressure. Lets not forget I'm on a tiny stock 14b so I'm not making a ton of power. I had ZERO spin, even dropping the clutch, so my tire pressure is fine until I start spinning, at which point I will lower the pressure.

Here is the video:
13.1 @ 110 - YouTube

 

[yoshi_tony]

FWD Rule of thumb . If your not spinning them you aint launching it hard enough

drop tires psi to 9-10 and raise your rev limiter if you have one. bogging a fwd is no good for your et's

what i believe he is trying to say nathan is that you got this all twisted lower the tire pressure you wont regret it bogging just half of second will cost you precious time

you dont loose traction with your tire pressure being low

 

[9!'clipseDOHC]

what i believe he is trying to say nathan is that you got this all twisted lower the tire pressure you wont regret it bogging just half of second will cost you precious time

you dont loose traction with your tire pressure being low

I never said lower tire pressure would make me lose traction. It will give me more traction which will make me bog more. I am not spinning at all, I do not need lower tire pressure. Once I raise the launch RPM, if I start to lose traction, then I will lower the tire pressure.

I don't have anything twisted. You set the tire pressure based on YOUR setup (and the track prep, weather, tire temperature, etc). Tire pressure needs change from day to day and pass to pass. You don't just set it at 12 psi because that is what you read online or because that worked for this or that person. If you are losing traction (which I am not), run a lower tire pressure. If you are bogging, run a higher tire pressure (or, in my case, increase the launch RPM).

 

[yoshi_tony]

I never said lower tire pressure would make me lose traction. It will give me more traction which will make me bog more. I am not spinning at all, I do not need lower tire pressure. Once I raise the launch RPM, if I start to lose traction, then I will lower the tire pressure.

im just getting into your head nathan its late well it feels late and just bored but just my .02 i guess i understood you wrong on the traction dilemma, plus im just wearing 1 contact

 

[1SloEvo]

Nate, you are right on target. Once you get the boost dialed in where you want it, start working on traction. You are headed in the right direction. Just don't throw too many variables in at once so you're not making yourself chase the "wrong" issue. Let us know how it turns out this Friday!

 

[yoshi_tony]

I don't have anything twisted. You set the tire pressure based on YOUR setup, (and the track prep, weather, tire temperature, etc). Tire pressure needs change from day to day and pass to pass. You don't just set it at 12 psi because that is what you read online or because that worked for this or that person.

woooow! woow! im sorry i wont say anything else i guess FYI i did just read i have asked many people that have experience with slicks than you and I but that link was the only one that popped into my head at the time that also help me and i never said just set it at 12psi and your set for life

twisted was meant as a joke nathan hold your horses.

 

[9!'clipseDOHC]

Nate, you are right on target. Once you get the boost dialed in where you want it, start working on traction. You are headed in the right direction. Just don't throw too many variables in at once so you're not making yourself chase the "wrong" issue. Let us know how it turns out this Friday!

Thanks! I know what you are saying about only changing one that a time, otherwise I won't know what was helping or hurting me. I will try to do that that once I get the boost set.

woooow! woow! im sorry i wont say anything else i guess FYI i did just read i have asked many people that have experience with slicks than you and I but that link was the only one that popped into my head at the time that also help me and i never said just set it at 12psi and your set for life

twisted was meant as a joke nathan hold your horses.

It's all good Tony. I'm not trying to come off as hostile. Its just that I know how my car feels and that the tire pressure was good for my setup. I just feel like everyone is just telling me to lower the tire pressure without even listening to how it was performing.

 

[richard33]

Well I've given up on the 5 speed and making the switch to an auto. Hopefully I can leave a little harder.

Anyone else running 2g fwd autos out there? Are there any fast ones?

 

[black_gst]

Well I've given up on the 5 speed and making the switch to an auto. Hopefully I can leave a little harder.

Anyone else running 2g fwd autos out there? Are there any fast ones?

I saw you had you trans forsale on the Link forum, i wish i had the cash to buy your trans

 

[richard33]

I saw you had you trans forsale on the Link forum, i wish i had the cash to buy your trans

haha oh well. That thing was a beast. I think it held together this whole time cause I wasn't leaving that hard and had to run low boost in 1st and 2nd.

 

[rhamlinii]

haha oh well. That thing was a beast. I think it held together this whole time cause I wasn't leaving that hard and had to run low boost in 1st and 2nd.

What kind of boost control are you running? I have the hks evc, but was thinking of using link with co2 for 2012 on my AWD car. I may just a NLR, and maybe use it in time based mode. I can't understand why it's so hard for FWD cars to lay down great times. My friends prelude just ran 9.30's with a 67mm turbo on 25.0 inch tires. He did this at 2600 pounds. I've owned many FWD cars, includind three FWD dsm's. It'd be nice to see someone break the mold on street FWD can't be fast.

 

[talontsi97]

I wanna do a auto setup in my 2g bad but just haven't been able to commit, plus i got a nice 5spd trans waiting to go in when the builds done as is.

My plan for boost control is boost by gear with link v3, should work out good.

 

[richard33]

I wanna do a auto setup in my 2g bad but just haven't been able to commit, plus i got a nice 5spd trans waiting to go in when the builds done as is.

My plan for boost control is boost by gear with link v3, should work out good.

I use the boost by gear through link and it did work out well.

So, Any fast 2g fwd autos out there? I want to know who is the fastest?