The quest for the AWD 14b record title WITHOUT nitrous continues

[Gooberlog]

Overall best for the day was a [email protected]. I could not cut any better than a 1.83 60', every time out of the hole the car was sideways and spun all 4 through first gear.

Every pass the car was right on point, i was just getting faster the more i drove it (this was the first i had driven it with the new clutch setup.) First run missed 3rd because of some lackluster bushings in the shifter assy.

Highest MPH of the day was 113.39 with a 12.88 ET, again, coming out too hard spinning all 4. I was able to tame it a bit by turning the launch control down 500rpms and thats where the 12.5 happened.

two low cylinders (70psi in 4, and 118 in 2...165 in the others).

im trying to reel in a deal on some kind of suspension upgrade. Ill have it back in a few weeks to see what she does again, with a more proper setup.

Wow Joe, I can't tell you how much this sounds like my experiences with my 14b laser. I ran similar times with similar mph. I was getting the same 60's and spinning all four sliding sideways in first gear. The more i drove mine the better it got, i had a bad miss shift due to worn shifter bushings. I too have low compression (100-110 across the board ), and i was battling the suspension upgrades recently as well. I mean it seems like you cut and pasted this post from my thread it is so similar. Welcome to the 14b fight man. Keep it up. 60's, shift points and weight reduction are everything

 

[SBstar]

Great to see you getting it out there! 12.5 is nothing to be ashamed of with the car's first outing. Keep it up and you'll be closing in on those 11's in no time. It's been said alot but it's all about seat time and working that setup out.

 

[SBR Joe]

Thanks for all the support guys! Ill keep everyone updated along the way!!

 

[SBR Joe]

12.5 is a pretty good start I think. Good traps for having a couple cylinders low too. Did you have tire pressures around 18-20 psi? Even a garbage tire can still produce some decent launches unless they were hard and dryrotted. The suspension is a key factor for sure. Sounds like you know what you need to do to improve. 11's is a pretty tough area to go on the 14b. I was stuck at 12.0 for what seemed like forever, although I was not actively drag racing my car much either. Years went by sometimes. Either way, I finally got the combo right. And the combo will vary per car for sure.

Good luck this season and I'll be happy to see you hit the 11's

No, i was too busy trying to find a 4" coupler to put my FP intake on that i swiped from my 2g before i left hahaha. I didnt even think about it.

And i agree, all circumstances given, i think the car did pretty well.

 

[SBR Joe]

Wow Joe, I can't tell you how much this sounds like my experiences with my 14b laser. I ran similar times with similar mph. I was getting the same 60's and spinning all four sliding sideways in first gear. The more i drove mine the better it got, i had a bad miss shift due to worn shifter bushings. I too have low compression (100-110 across the board ), and i was battling the suspension upgrades recently as well. I mean it seems like you cut and pasted this post from my thread it is so similar. Welcome to the 14b fight man. Keep it up. 60's, shift points and weight reduction are everything

HAHA thats funny.

The car is light, i could shave a few more off it but overall its pretty bare bones.

All shifter bushings were changed, it was the nylon ones that went over the rod that the shifter slides over and bolts down to the assembly, that screwed me on the first pass, after i found out where it wanted it to be to slide in (thats what she said) i was able to no lift shift 1-4, hooray for 6 puck un sprung discs!

 

[SBR Joe]

The car looked a lot better on the 12.5 pass than the first one that is for damn sure, but the launch still looked pretty squirrely. It was nice talking to you for a few minutes and checking out another fast 14b DSM. Hopefully the next time I run into you at PRP I will have my Laser there too .

Hell yeah it did! haha. The second pass had the best MPH, but ET was still weak. All the tq the car makes, its hellacious off the line no matter what haha.

It was good talkin to you too man. Hopefully we can line em up next time im there

 

[SBR Joe]

So, few updates since i last posted. Put on a REAL intake pipe, switched to an EVO 8 MAF and put the new mapped keydiver chip in for it (again, big ups to Jeff from DSMchips for hooking me up!), put a plasma booster ignition amplifier on, installed an aluminum crank pulley and built an air dam to force feed air into the filter at higher MPH, put some urethane motor mount inserts in and replaced the control arm and subframe bushings with some prothane ones. Also fabbed up some more heatshields for what its worth. i have also shaved about another 100lbs off of it by getting a lighter battery, taking out the trans crossmember, every ounce of sound deadening material, cutting crash beams out of the doors, etc. Havent gone back to the track yet, but i took it out for a rip on the street and holy S*IT! Car feels about 30whp faster. Its kind of ridiculous. I took some air out of the tires (18psi in the front and 20 in the rear) and it hooks SO much better from a launch. Ill be throwing on a set of koni adjustables with H&R springs on that i scored from my buddy. Im POSITIVE that the next round at the track even without the suspension it will power itself into the 11's. No doubt about it. Im expecting 114-115 mph traps, it feels ridiculous compared to before. Im trying to get there this thursday. I still havent head the head re done, so having a head with good compression all the way around will help out even more. Ill keep everyone updated.

I contribute alot of it to the ignition, being able to open up the gaps on the plugs to .035 compared to the .025 without having it blow out, made a massive difference up top, and just smoothed out the car the whole way through, but in combination with everything else, its jiving quite well! Heres some new pics. Ill keep everyone posted when i get it back to the track!

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[907dsm]

So wait up I thought you had low compression on one of the cylinders?? Did you rebuild it already??

 

[SBR Joe]

So wait up I thought you had low compression on one of the cylinders?? Did you rebuild it already??

Nope, as i stated, i still do haha, and i dont care right now. 70psi in cyl 4 and 120 in cyl 2. Thats due to a hillbilly valve job. It runs great as it is, i want to see what all i can do before its down for a few weeks getting the head pimped out. i want to see at least a high 11sec pass before i become semi satisfied, then ill tear into it.

 

[SBR Joe]

Coilovers will be here the week of July 12th! Im also gonna see if my buddy Curt will let me borrow his trac lite wheels with his slicks, and track time will happen again.

No doubt in my mind, 11's are happening. The car feels AMAZING power wise, and the suspension and slicks will get my 60's down. As long as i can pull off at least a 1.5 60 (if i cant, i shouldnt be driving!!) with the setup i will have, i will be right about where i need to be. Keep an eye out for some updates! Its going down!!

 

[rhamlinii]

Coilovers will be here the week of July 12th! Im also gonna see if my buddy Curt will let me borrow his trac lite wheels with his slicks, and track time will happen again.

No doubt in my mind, 11's are happening. The car feels AMAZING power wise, and the suspension and slicks will get my 60's down. As long as i can pull off at least a 1.5 60 (if i cant, i shouldnt be driving!!) with the setup i will have, i will be right about where i need to be. Keep an eye out for some updates! Its going down!!

Get'er done.

 

[dsm-onster]

Just read through this who thread. Keep working at this. You'll learn a lot along the way. Especially working with such a limited flow number with the 14b. Glad to see you're not bothered by the whiners who've said it doesn't matter. The "range" . . . is 14b wheels untouched. It's easy to swap turbine housings. Port it. Use an external gate. You're still on the 14b chra and anyone else can easily put on the 7cm^2 housing or port it. So the "range" is just that with no nitrous. Let the whiners keep working at their own statement: "figures, carry on". You're doing good 'carrying on'. We ALL care about the 14b record. It's a culture thing. 'It is what it is'. Those that don't care are far and few between. It's about what a part can do, and what it takes to get the most out of it. That is always beneficial. Those that think otherwise throw money/big parts at their setup and can have no pride in THEIR OWN accomplishments. Your goal is YOUR goal.

 

[agentorange313]

Just read through this who thread. Keep working at this. You'll learn a lot along the way. Especially working with such a limited flow number with the 14b. Glad to see you're not bothered by the whiners who've said it doesn't matter. The "range" . . . is 14b wheels untouched. It's easy to swap turbine housings. Port it. Use an external gate. You're still on the 14b chra and anyone else can easily put on the 7cm^2 housing or port it. So the "range" is just that with no nitrous. Let the whiners keep working at their own statement: "figures, carry on". You're doing good 'carrying on'. We ALL care about the 14b record. It's a culture thing. 'It is what it is'. Those that don't care are far and few between. It's about what a part can do, and what it takes to get the most out of it. That is always beneficial. Those that think otherwise throw money/big parts at their setup and can have no pride in THEIR OWN accomplishments. Your goal is YOUR goal.

agreed, I have been running the 14b forever and use the 7cm housing. I wanna push this turbo as far as it can go. This is a great build and updates. GO 14b

 

[SBR Joe]

Just read through this who thread. Keep working at this. You'll learn a lot along the way. Especially working with such a limited flow number with the 14b. Glad to see you're not bothered by the whiners who've said it doesn't matter. The "range" . . . is 14b wheels untouched. It's easy to swap turbine housings. Port it. Use an external gate. You're still on the 14b chra and anyone else can easily put on the 7cm^2 housing or port it. So the "range" is just that with no nitrous. Let the whiners keep working at their own statement: "figures, carry on". You're doing good 'carrying on'. We ALL care about the 14b record. It's a culture thing. 'It is what it is'. Those that don't care are far and few between. It's about what a part can do, and what it takes to get the most out of it. That is always beneficial. Those that think otherwise throw money/big parts at their setup and can have no pride in THEIR OWN accomplishments. Your goal is goal.

Thanks buddy, its much appreciated! And just like you said, i could easily toss a 3052 on this thing, run 10's all day and thats that, but who cares, anyone can do that. To run deep 11's with a STOCK turbo as laughable as a 14b, is an accomplishment i can be proud of. Running these times based only on vehicle setup, driving abilities, etc is much more rewarding than running a good time with horsepower pushing you. Doing this with 300whp is impressive, no matter who you are.

PS, an update with the car. Suspension is in, and on. A few more lbs have been shed, rear bumper cut out to eliminate the parachute effect. the car is ready to rock. I still have yet to get the head re done, that is the NEXT part of the project. Maybe a little port work, but mostly a grade A 5 angle valve job done by our head machinist and old time performance guru Tim, in our shop, and some flat faced SS valves to bump my compression up a tad. That, and i have V3 on its way because im switching to E85 for even more of an edge. Im sure the gains will be big switching from the 115 im running now just because of the high discharge temps this turb is creating making so much boost on such a small snail. Maybe speed density in the near future as well. An aluminum driveshaft is the big boy i want bad, but thats money that i just dont have right now haha.

Its fun, i have more fun with this project than i do my 500+ whp 2g. Its un explainable but i get more gratification chasing this record and upping the bar for the other 14b guys out there than i have with any DSM ive ever built. For those that think its a waste, and stupid, think that. Just dont get sad when i run a better time than you with your big ol 50 or 60 trim .

 

[Nate Crisman]

Thanks buddy, its much appreciated! And just like you said, i could easily toss a 3052 on this thing, run 10's all day and thats that, but who cares, anyone can do that. To run deep 11's with a STOCK turbo as laughable as a 14b, is an accomplishment i can be proud of. Running these times based only on vehicle setup, driving abilities, etc is much more rewarding than running a good time with horsepower pushing you. Doing this with 300whp is impressive, no matter who you are.

Has this car been to the track yet? Did I miss an update or something?

 

[SBR Joe]

Has this car been to the track yet? Did I miss an update or something?

SOON nate. Shootout soon!!!

What i was saying wasnt signifying that i ran low 11's, just speaking in terms of the subject and why i get so giddy over the subject!

 

[Nate Crisman]

Cool. I just thought I must have either missed it or you are keeping secrets. Hahaha.

 

[SBR Joe]

Friday, Sept 10th, i will be making another run at the title. More power, less weight, good suspension and better tires have been added to the arsenal. Quaker City Raceway in Salem OH is where ill be. If youre near swing by and root me on!

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[Gooberlog]

Keep it up!

 

[SBR Joe]

Newest edition to the "cutting 60's club"

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[SBstar]

Nice! You better get it done, I'm chasing you down for times this year

To bad Salem is 4.5 hours from me or I'd come down there and we'd do some passes together. You've got to have an 11 in that thing.

 

[SBR Joe]

Nice! You better get it done, I'm chasing you down for times this year

To bad Salem is 4.5 hours from me or I'd come down there and we'd do some passes together. You've got to have an 11 in that thing.

At this point judging from last round, yes, i kind of have too, as long as i dont fudge up a shift or something dumb....but i piss perfection, so im sure itll be ok

 

[SBR Joe]

So good news, another power adder added to the lineup! Partial sponsorship from DN Performance for a manifold! Will be here next week, just in time to install for the track next friday! Car feels AMAZING. If im lucky, like i posted in the 14b drag race discussion, my buddy will have his slicks, and ill get to borrow his Weds racing wheels with sticky Khumo tires to help get me out of the hole, and cut down serious weight off the rotating action. With how the car is running as is i cant say ill see anything slower than an 11.9 with how its set up now, not to mention the power gains ill see from the manifold and the wheel/tire combo i may be running! Stay tuned, i will post from the track the results!!!

 

[SBR Joe]

So, gotta start out, im pretty bummed. First pass of the night, car was breaking up and the right rear caliper was hanging up, 12.7@107 with a 1.92 60'. BLAH. It was a bit fat up top so i pulled about 4% of fuel out, and next pass it cleaned up ALOT, also the caliper un froze got a 1.825 60' and went 12.32@111, little better. Next pass was a hot lap and car was overheating a tad off the line, so it knocked a bit, 12.41@110, ok i guess, again with a 1.83 60', car was spinning so bad off the line.

Get a cool down lap in, next round...best one of the night. 1.802 60', bottomed out the boost controller and held about 2 psi more, 12.19@114.

Every lap after that i was stuck in the left lane which is horrible, has a crack in it and when launching it makes the car hop, so on top of spinning like crazy as it got colder, hitting the crack kicked the ass out, so the next 2-3 passes were a consistent 12.3-12.4@111 ish. Again, hot lapping and idiots taking forever to stage so it was coming out pretty heat soaked.

Point blank, i need slicks. If i would have ran even a 1.75 60' i would have been in the 11.90's. It just wouldnt hook. Plans are to weld the center diff and find some sticky rubber. I need to get teh head redone because 1 almost dead cylinder isnt helping. Also, im going to get some adjustable cam gears, i need to stretch the top end power out and advance the intake cam a few degrees to make up for any lost boost, and shim the actuator more to maintain higher levels. The cam degreeing alone will get me about 30whp respectively, i know this from everything ive done with cam timing before. I dont know, i guess its not that bad considering, i just really wanted to see an 11 and i was so effin close, if the sun was shining more today i would have, track was just too cold to hook. Oh well, i will try and hurry this up and get back ONE more time before the tracks close. If not, ill be spending some one on one time with it a lot this winter.

EDIT: PS, this was all done on winter tires running about 25psi of pressure.

 

[SBstar]

Obviously the more power you make the tougher it is to nail a 60ft. Nice times nonetheless though, there isn't a huge list of people who have done low 12's on a 14b, especially on a 1.8 60 ft! 114mph is moving as well, you'll be there if you can hook. What RPM are/were you launching at? The good part is you got out there and learned some more things, with improvement anyways. That's what I try to take from every track outing.