The quest for the AWD 14b record title WITHOUT nitrous continues

[sleepyvr4]

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money.

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[SBR Joe]

Look at that dumpster chicken...

 

[sleepyvr4]

Yep - this chick got the bov snorkel return and the black tape band aid over the aids covered upper rad hose. Add the colgate turbine and o2 housings and the candy apple red actuator and you have Molly Ringwald my ninja - PRETTY IN PINK.

This car sucks.

 

[SBR Joe]

Yep - this chick got the bov snorkel return and the black tape band aid over the aids covered upper rad hose. Add the colgate turbine and o2 housings and the candy apple red actuator and you have Molly Ringwald my ninja - PRETTY IN PINK.

This car sucks.

Get that o ring tool NOW so we dont have to worry about pushing anymore effin headgaskets and can actually get somewhere with this pig!

 

[sleepyvr4]

nobody ever pays me in gum...

 

[SBR Joe]

nobody ever pays me in gum...

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[sleepyvr4]

got it buffed!

another

here

 

[Phil1320]

Looks clean man!.........that should be worth .10 in the 1/4...

 

[SBR Joe]

UPDATE. Big props to Jeff at DSMchips. He sent me a dual image chip with the 93 octane map and the 115 octane map with ALOT more peak timing advance on the race fuel map. Previously we had 18 degrees peak timing plus whatever CAS advance we ended up to the cars liking on the 93 octane map and AFC tuning and using race fuel. Now we have a real race fuel map that we dont have to manipulate and alot more timing (26 degrees to be exact).

The second map switches when the AC input sees 12v, so we have to just wire in a toggle switch to pin #7 on the ecu and thats all we need to do to switch maps. No ecu reset or anything, basically we can do it on the fly. From what Jeff said this is the first chip hes done this way to try the dual maps. So well see how it works. We'll be wiring it in this weekend so ill post the results. Ive never been less than absolutely pleased with Jeffs product so i dont expect anything less this time. Then hopefully some dyno time and some real numbers to update you guys with!

 

[Phil1320]

UPDATE. Big props to Jeff at DSMchips. He sent me a dual image chip with the 93 octane map and the 115 octane map with ALOT more peak timing advance on the race fuel map. Previously we had 18 degrees peak timing plus whatever CAS advance we ended up to the cars liking on the 93 octane map and AFC tuning and using race fuel. Now we have a real race fuel map that we dont have to manipulate and alot more timing (26 degrees to be exact).

The second map switches when the AC input sees 12v, so we have to just wire in a toggle switch to pin #7 on the ecu and thats all we need to do to switch maps. No ecu reset or anything, basically we can do it on the fly. From what Jeff said this is the first chip hes done this way to try the dual maps. So well see how it works. We'll be wiring it in this weekend so ill post the results. Ive never been less than absolutely pleased with Jeffs product so i dont expect anything less this time. Then hopefully some dyno time and some real numbers to update you guys with!

Sounds cool, good luck! Dyno numbers would be interesting to see.

 

[SBR Joe]

Sounds cool, good luck! Dyno numbers would be interesting to see.

Yeah too bad colin is never in town!

Hes in Cali now. when he gets back were putting an MLS headgasket on and getting to the damn dyno! I need to see some results with this car soon! haha

 

[SBR Joe]

Ok so we finally got this heap to the dyno.

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Quick overview of the details, boost on the street holds about 21psi, on the dyno it was falling to about 15 though. The dual image chip from DSMchips.com to switch to the race gas map worked for the fuel curve, but not for timing. We were running turbo blue 115 octane, 12.0 AFR, and timing was supposed to be at 26 degrees peak, but was only going to the pump gas timing map limit of 18 degrees. For some reason mid range it dipped down to 4 degrees! but made its way back up to 17-18 at 7500rpm's.

The one thing we were extremely pleased about was the amazing consistency. All 4 runs in a row were nearly identical. Big ups to Jeff at DSMchips for the chip prototype, it was a prototype chip, so to be expected there is wrinkles to iron out, but i contribute the back to back consistency to the chip tuning, and the SBR street FMIC we have on it kept the cooling down VERY nicely, considering the heat we were pumping out from that little turd screaming at the 28psi it was spiking at! Also big ups to my NINJA Mike for the help on alot of the parts, FMIC being the biggest one, see, he can be a nice guy, no matter what you all may think!

Also, it has 2 low cylinders, number 4 is 70psi and 2 is 120psi. Its a not so hot valve job. After i get to the track for a baseline run the heads getting pulled, im going to port it and have our machine shop do our amazing 5 angle valve job, with some nitrided flat faced valves to bump up compression a little.

With the timing and boost evened out it would have made alot more power...but the car feels AMAZING as it sits now. Very good curve, very consistent. It weighs in at around 2550lbs. Were very confident this will dip into the 11's. Im going to set up the launch control switch and i will be at the track 2 weeks from this weekend. Here is the hp graph. 286whp and 380tq (ill attach the tq graph when Nate sends it to me). More details to come when this slut hits the 1320.

 

[907dsm]

Wow that's alot of torque... can't wait to see some numbers.

 

[SBstar]

Not too shabby...

 

[forcefed86]

Numbers are pretty impressive.

Seem's to me it's right around what all the peaked out 14b's are running. Seems odd given your low cylinders pressures?

Are there no limits to compression in that class? Any guys running 12:1 or higher? Seems like that would be the easiest way to make big power on a 14b. Esp if your running 115.

Get some pre-turbo water injection on that badboy, you'd be suprised how far it extends the compressor map.

 

[Nate Crisman]

Any chance you can plot those dyno graphs against RPM instead of MPH? Im sort of on a kick trying to think about gearing/powerband with respect to 14b records.

 

[SBR Joe]

Any chance you can plot those dyno graphs against RPM instead of MPH? Im sort of on a kick trying to think about gearing/powerband with respect to 14b records.

We lifted at 7500 each pull. It doesnt show but thats where we let out at, not sure if that helps you but thats what we ran it to.

Ill try and hit up Nate and get the tq graph and the HP one with RPM.

 

[SBR Joe]

Numbers are pretty impressive.

Seem's to me it's right around what all the peaked out 14b's are running. Seems odd given your low cylinders pressures?

Are there no limits to compression in that class? Any guys running 12:1 or higher? Seems like that would be the easiest way to make big power on a 14b. Esp if your running 115.

Get some pre-turbo water injection on that badboy, you'd be suprised how far it extends the compressor map.

funny you mentioned...Mike actually informed me of a set of 10.5:1 .040 JE's that we had made for Black Betty that we never used....hes hooking me up with those for this car. Im just going to run them on stock 1g rods with ARP rod bolts eventually. But before we take that dive, im going to see where we end up with the stock block, just because thats all anyone has had that ill be competing against for times.

After the baseline runs ill be getting into next weekend (weather permitting) im sending the head in to get a nice valve job on and some flat faced valves to give me a little more of an edge in the compression department for now...that should help out drastically beings we have 2 pretty low cylinders now thanks to crappy valve work from a local machine shop.

 

[SBR Joe]

Any chance you can plot those dyno graphs against RPM instead of MPH? Im sort of on a kick trying to think about gearing/powerband with respect to 14b records.

Once we knuckle up and get the spare trans built, im gonna have shep give me the business like he did for my buddy curts 1g AWD that was built that currently rocks the E3 16g record. Just need to get out there and see what she does and figure out what would be proper for it before we jump the gun....betting we wont see higher than 116 ish trap speeds, maybe well have it so it rocks a nice long tall 3rd gear to eliminate an extra gear shift. But again, ill leave that up to shep to decide when we cross that bridge.

 

[SBR Joe]

Ok so heres the update. Made it to the track today, id say i was semi pleased with the outcome, but a little frustrated also.

Overall best for the day was a [email protected]. I could not cut any better than a 1.83 60', every time out of the hole the car was sideways and spun all 4 through first gear. The car was pulling hard, i did not get my 4" FP intake on it because i lost the damn coupler, so i was stuck using the stock 2g intake pipe. big bummer. Every pass the car was right on point, i was just getting faster the more i drove it (this was the first i had driven it with the new clutch setup.) First run missed 3rd because of some lackluster bushings in the shifter assy, once i figured out where it liked it, no lift shift 1-4 was no problem. Highest MPH of the day was 113.39 with a 12.88 ET, again, coming out too hard spinning all 4. I was able to tame it a bit by turning the launch control down 500rpms and thats where the 12.5 happened.

All and all i say it was alright given the circumstances. God awful tires that didnt even match all the way around, stock suspension, a poopy intake snorkel, and two low cylinders (70psi in 4, and 118 in 2...165 in the others).

Heads pulled and getting sent in for a real valve job and some flat faced valves, so that ought to help. New tires are a MUST...and im trying to reel in a deal on some kind of suspension upgrade. Ill have it back in a few weeks to see what she does again, with a more proper setup.

 

[DWR-DSM]

Sounds like you are making some process... Goodjob and with a little more mods you be looking a better time. You def gonna need some better tires.

 

[SBR Joe]

Sounds like you are making some process... Goodjob and with a little more mods you be looking a little better. You def gonna need some better tires.

Thanks, i was just wanting to see where it sat today. I knew with the tires and almost 2 decade old suspension i wouldnt be in the 11 second range. MPH was about there to squeak off a very low 12. With only the suspension/tire mods thats where id be.

Ive got a few things to church up, and a bolt on or two i need to add to the lineup and ill be back for round two.

 

[talontd92tsi]

Thanks, i was just wanting to see where it sat today. I knew with the tires and almost 2 decade old suspension i wouldnt be in the 11 second range. MPH was about there to squeak off a very low 12. With only the suspension/tire mods thats where id be.

Ive got a few things to church up, and a bolt on or two i need to add to the lineup and ill be back for round two.

The car looked a lot better on the 12.5 pass than the first one that is for damn sure, but the launch still looked pretty squirrely. It was nice talking to you for a few minutes and checking out another fast 14b DSM. Hopefully the next time I run into you at PRP I will have my Laser there too .

 

[DWR-DSM]

Yea, you need to get off that stock suspension and what tires are you planning on running?

 

[Phil1320]

12.5 is a pretty good start I think. Good traps for having a couple cylinders low too. Did you have tire pressures around 18-20 psi? Even a garbage tire can still produce some decent launches unless they were hard and dryrotted. The suspension is a key factor for sure. Sounds like you know what you need to do to improve. 11's is a pretty tough area to go on the 14b. I was stuck at 12.0 for what seemed like forever, although I was not actively drag racing my car much either. Years went by sometimes. Either way, I finally got the combo right. And the combo will vary per car for sure.

Good luck this season and I'll be happy to see you hit the 11's