T-chargers EVO 3 GT

[SpoOLxExO]

Nothing, I guess. Except why would respected vendors like Buschur and RRE be willing to pass this off as an EvoIII when it clearly isn't. Especially when another vendor like SBR chose not to sell it. I'm glad I got mine before this happened. It looks as if pretty soon fewer vendors will be willing to sell you a real MHI EvoIII.

Wrong.

Buschur, RRE, Turbochargers.com, and Slowboy DO NOT sell the "EVOIII GT" (Ripoff turbo)...

They sell the *Real, MHI EVOIII 16g turbocharger...

You guys still following?

They "added" the "GT" part, to refer that the turbo is already ported and has a wastegate upgrade.

So these "other" guys selling "EVOIII GT's" are not selling MHI turbos. They are selling the chinese clones.

There are two turbos out right now that bear the EVOIII GT name, but only one of them is a real MHI EVOIII, get it?

 

[GPTourer]

That really doesn't make any sense to me. Why not offer the turbo unported and un "GT'd" What if you don't want the flapper upgrade, or don't want it ported? I suppose every turbo that you order with accesories like a welded elbow, ported, internal gate or polished compressor housing could then be a GT or Godzilla or GTR-5000 or whatever. By adding "GT" they are just adding to the confusion IMO.

 

[SpoOLxExO]

I hear ya.

 

[PieTSI]

That really doesn't make any sense to me. Why not offer the turbo unported and un "GT'd" What if you don't want the flapper upgrade, or don't want it ported? I suppose every turbo that you order with accesories like a welded elbow, ported, internal gate or polished compressor housing could then be a GT or Godzilla or GTR-5000 or whatever. By adding "GT" they are just adding to the confusion IMO.

It doesn't make sence because RRE, Turbochargers.com, and bushcur all sell the EVO 3 GT turbo, from china. I can't honestly say anything about the quality, but I can tell you its a generic turbo, that was reverse engineered from a MHI unit.

Here is a link to there website: http://www.zhy-turbo.com/

 

[prostreetdsmx1]

that company has been contacting me like atleast 2 times a month about carrying their products. Never really taken the time to look into them. I wouldn't automatically say they are crap i just haven't taken the time to look into them.

 

[cuttheduck]

Even if the guys who have actually seen the product and say its crap are wrong,which i doubt, WHY PAY $580 for an inferior knockoff turbo when the real evo 16g is cheaper in price.

If this turbo was sold with the same markup of the real mitsubishi unit, it should cost less then $250-300 to the consumer. Then there could be a discussion about risk versus price savings. Until then, you can't beat the real evo III for cheap power and RELIABILITY. So buying this turbo offers no advantages. ITs like paying 150 bucks for a fake rolex, WTF's the point??

 

[SpoOLxExO]

It doesn't make sence because RRE, Turbochargers.com, and bushcur all sell the EVO 3 GT turbo, from china.

Why do I have to repeat myself?

Tc.com has never carried any other turbos then MHI, Garrett, and occasionally KKK for the german crowd.

They've been selling these turbos at a decent price, because of low-overhead associated with internet-commerce.

They are only selling the "Ported, Wastegated, EVOIII" as an attempt to move more of them out, due to their more favorable options. And also because of the brown-eye.com garrett competition.

Get it? Buschur, TC.com, RRE DO NOT sell the chinese clones.

Just in case you didn't hear me, or if I have to argue with you guys again:

Buschur, TC.com, RRE DO NOT sell the chinese clones!

Heres the proof:
http://www.turbochargers.com/Turbos/TurboUpgrades/evo3.htm

See the turbine housing inlet? Its an EVOIII for sure. Plus they add the fact that the turbine scroll is tighter providing better spoolup.

The Chinese "GT" has an old school 7cm turbine housing copy that has "a/r.70" casted into the turbine housing. You can tell if you have eyes...

Wrapping up:

-The "Good" vendors (Buschur, RRE, Slowboy) do not sell chinese clones.

-The reason these vendors name their ported/flappered EVOIII's "GT" is a mystery.

-Since the T04b's and such came out w/ 38mm W/G for the same cost as an EVOIII, these vendors are porting/flappering the EVOIII's to compete with the bolt-on garretts.

-This only comes from my own opinion:
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=158227&highlight=to4b

This turbo is a joke, people are only making the same power as EVOIII but waiting a 1000 more RPM to get it... I guess it is only good for FWD.

 

[Wanted:SWGSXAWD]

Alright it was asked what do I need outta this thread that wasn't listed all ready in the other thread and "neuro" hit it exactly on the head with this:

I really would like to know if any of these shops have even tried this turbo on a real car, yet? Where are the dyno sheets? Where are the "seat of the pants" impressions? Enough speculation on whether this is crap or not, let's see some results from the shops that are hawking these instead of the real MHI Evo III turbos. Better yet, lets see a comparison...turbo for turbo on the same car, no other mods. The price is ok, but I'm concerned about longevity and performance? Who's to say this isn't from some Chinese factory that was just assembling bicycle frames last month for Trek? What about the wheels inside? Did the Chinese take a crash course in aerodynamics, or did they miss something important? Who knows?

I'm in the market, show me the money basically. Why does it seem that this "GT" turbo is kicking the EVOIII 16g out of some shop's lineup of turbo's? There must be a reason. I like the price, and it already has the larger WG flapper and porting already incorperated into the casting design (without the housing walls being thinned out in the process) so unless you get a plain jane E316g or catch a deal, this is a good competative price for what you get, however that's the part that's about as clear as mudd right now and I was just wondering why one shop says not to go with this and several shops like it (through phone conversations) and will suggest this as an option when shopping around for a turbo that's all.

 

[neuro]

Wrong.

Buschur, RRE, Turbochargers.com, and Slowboy DO NOT sell the "EVOIII GT" (Ripoff turbo)...

Well, you're right about Slowboy, anyway. The rest of the vendors you mentioned seem to be selling both. Why would RRE go out of their way to call it a "T-chargers Evo III GT" and LOWER the price from $640 (what the MHI Evo III 16g was on RRE a week or so ago) to $580 (which interestingly is EXACTLY the same price EVERYONE is selling this turbo for).

Some of the "other" vendors are at least advertising it as a different turbo and not lumping it in with or substituting it for the real MHI turbo.

Are any of the vendors selling these ready to step up and show us some real data?

 

[neuro]

Why do I have to repeat myself?

Tc.com has never carried any other turbos then MHI, Garrett, and occasionally KKK for the german crowd.

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Get it? Buschur, TC.com, RRE DO NOT sell the chinese clones.

Just in case you didn't hear me, or if I have to argue with you guys again:

Buschur, TC.com, RRE DO NOT sell the chinese clones!

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-This only comes from my own opinion:
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=158227&highlight=to4b

This turbo is a joke, people are only making the same power as EVOIII but waiting a 1000 more RPM to get it... I guess it is only good for FWD.

You have to repeat yourself because you're making baseless claims with absolutely no proof. Opinions are like a-holes, everyone has one and they ususally stink. I see no PROOF in your link, all I see is a picture of what's supposedly an EVO III turbo, shot from an angle that you can't read the text cast on it, so I can't tell the difference and neither can you. And WTF does "Plus they add the fact that the turbine scroll is tighter providing better spoolup." have to do with the price of Tea in China? So far, the only truth I've read is "The Chinese "GT" has an old school 7cm turbine housing copy that has "a/r.70" casted into the turbine housing. You can tell if you have eyes..." It also has "Evo III GT" cast into the housing...see

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Buschur doesn't even have a pic of what they're selling, RRE still has pics of the Big 16G on their page and you just can't tell what turbo you're looking at on the Turbochargers.com page. Call me stupid, but it looks just like the one above to me.

Just because TC hasn't sold anything but MHI, Garrett, etc. in the past (according to you) doesn't mean squat...vendors change lineups all the time based on supply and demand. There's no mystery in why vendors are selling the chinese turbo...it's cheaper to get and profit is higher PERIOD! How do you KNOW FOR SURE that RRE, Buschur, etc. aren't selling knockoffs? Gut feeling? Do you work for ALL of them? You don't KNOW, so stop acting like you do.

And where did you get this pearl of wisdom from?

"This turbo is a joke, people are only making the same power as EVOIII but waiting a 1000 more RPM to get it... I guess it is only good for FWD."

Do you have dyno results to back that claim up?

We need less conjecture and more hard data!

 

[SpoOLxExO]

W#ow, read between the lines tough-guy...

First off, I wanna say I love the EVOIII 16g! A local member went 11.8 on one and got 44 lbs/min so I am not in any way sticking up for a chinese clone

Why don't you go ahead and call these shops to make sure YOUR rediculous claim isn't true. Since the sites that these shops have can't satify anyones curiosity as to wheather or not these are real MHI turbos, why don't you call em up !?

I do not work for those vendors, but I have friends in my club (NewEngDsm) that do. Saying that Buschur racing sells chinese turbos is an insult. So cut it out.

I'm not repeating myself, because you phucking morons won't open your ears.


god....
Why is it that every time I come on tuners, a bunch of you arrogant HAss-oles with 13 second cars, try and start an argument with me?

 

[neuro]

I read between the lines, and still didn't find the truth. What exactly *IS* my ridiculous claim? All I'm saying is that you are spreading misinformation by saying that XYZ shops are definitely NOT carrying chinese knockoff Evo III's when you don't really know first hand. I'm sure Buschur is a stand-up guy and I know he's been around in the DSM scene since it began, but that doesn't mean he doesn't want to make a profit. Maybe they're really good knockoffs? I don't, you don't, I'd like to hear from someone who does.

At the moment, I have a 13 minute car that's sitting in my garage with a cracked 1G manifold and a 14b with shaft play, hence the interest in this thread. Therefore I want to know if:

A. All these vendors who sell (or used to sell) Mitsubishi Heavy Industries Evo III 16G turbos are, in fact, still selling these turbos and not the "GT" turbos. Some are, some may be and some probably aren't. I will actually call the 2 or 3 vendors I'm interested in to find out for myself.

B. Whether or not anyone has ANY real world information on the apparently Chinese made "Evo III GT" turbos, i.e. dyno sheets, test data, pics of the disassembled turbo, etc. Not "Well, Joe Schmoe at turbos.com told me that..." or "A FOAF told me that..." but real data.

That said, I'm planning on a real MHI turbo either way, but I am curious to know why all these vendors seem to be taking a risk on an untested product????

 

[Mike000]

Another thing I'm worried about is having this "clone gt turbo" show up in a few months with all the "correct" mitsu badging. I hope it doesn't go that far...

 

[cuttheduck]

I emailed turbochargers.com

They said it wasn't a turbo from Zhy-turbo in china, I asked them that by name.

They also didn't answer and confirm it was a MHI turbo when I asked. Which leads me to believe it might be a Zhy-turbo, they just didn't want to confirm there source. As they never confirmed it was mitsu either. I would have a hard time believing that a E16g turbo redesigned just like the chinese version (porting, flapper,other 'features"), cheap price, and with the same name would just happen to come out at the same time or be anything other then the chinese version. That company wants to start copying other turbos too, can't wait for the fake 20g's.

 

[neuro]

I emailed turbochargers.com

They said it wasn't a turbo from Zhy-turbo in china, I asked them that by name.

They also didn't answer and confirm it was a MHI turbo when I asked. Which leads me to believe it might be a Zhy-turbo, they just didn't want to confirm there source. As they never confirmed it was mitsu either. I would have a hard time believing that a E16g turbo redesigned just like the chinese version (porting, flapper,other 'features"), cheap price, and with the same name would just happen to come out at the same time or be anything other then the chinese version. That company wants to start copying other turbos too, can't wait for the fake 20g's.

I think it's kinda scary that at least some of these sites selling the "Evo III GT" turbo go out of their way to let you know that their regular 16G turbo is from Mitsubishi (including turbochargers.com - check out their Mitsubishi Turbo section), but all they offer for the "GT" is that it's a "Evo III GT" turbo. The sites that are obviously selling both, however, list one as the "MHI Evo III 16G" and one as the "Evo III GT". If it was the real deal on RRE or Turbocharger.com, why not just cut the BS and say it?

I looked at Zhy's site and I didn't see this particular turbo in their product section, so maybe turbochargers is correct when they say it isn't a "Zhy" turbo. I'm sure if it was an actual Mitsu turbo, though, they'd want you to know. Weird that their website is in Engrish, despite being hosted in China.

 

[prostreetdsmx1]

Another thing I'm worried about is having this "clone gt turbo" show up in a few months with all the "correct" mitsu badging. I hope it doesn't go that far...

i highly doubt any vendor on this site would ever do something like that bud.

 

[Black95TSIawd]

if the wheels and center section are the same, i wouldnt mind buying this new GT turbo. The turbine housing looks better in a performance aspect compared to the mitsubishi housing. Its bigger, no need to port(cast peices kinda like pte and bullzeye). At least this way, a 34mm flapper wont be blocking off all that topend like in the tiny MHI housing. As for the cracking, i cant comment on that. Someone keeps bringing up the smaller real evoIII housing that helps spoolup. Well, wouldnt a slightly bigger housing that still spools fast(its a small turbo, it should spool fast) flow a little better?

 

[cuttheduck]

Got a different Email confirmed from turbochargers.com.

The 16g GT turbo is a "knock off" turbo.

So just be aware, ANY 16g that has the "GT" in the name is NOT a Mitsubishi turbo. I personally wouldn't buy one when the price is just as much as the real one, plus the vendor gets them for less then 1/2 the price of a MHI unit.

 

[neuro]

it would seem that turbochargers.com is the american distributor for these. or they had them contract manufactured in china.

 

[prostreetdsmx1]

it would seem that turbochargers.com is the american distributor for these. or they had them contract manufactured in china.

Turbochargers.com spec'd them out and they were manufactured for them.

 

[definitiveno]

Have any of the vendors currently selling this product stopped in to say any thing yet? Some one should mail them, not me though, effected by laziness

 

[thegreatms]

The only vendor I've heard from is slowboy, and they said that they are only selling the real MHI stuff.

I'm not sure if the other guys have said anything. Maybe we should all start emailing them to try and get some answers.

 

[red91gst]

As stated, we are only selling the true EVO III 16g. The "GT" is distributed by Turbochargers and is the knock off Chinese version with the "bigger" turbine housing. We have one of these turbos in house and apart. We will have a write up on it in a week or so with comparison pics and all. Trust me, these are not of the same quality as an MHI unit. There are many flaws, and without getting to technical, the volute of the turbine housing is in a different location than the EVO, with it's postioning causing the exhaust gas to hit the turbine wheel to low, outside of the "sweet spot" of the turbine, causing an un-needed laggy turbo.

The TRUE EVO turbo is not becoming harder to get, this is just a way for some shops to make more money. They can buy the "GT" for hundreds less than the EVO, sell it for the same price, and turn larger profits.

What is really scary is how many "reputable" DSM shops are carrying this turbo and claiming it as a modified EVO, without even testing it.

Email these vendors as concerned DSMers and ask them to make clear what they are selling. After all, you are the voice and the power behind the community.

Nate
SBR

 

[neuro]

I think it's pretty shady that turbochargers is selling and distributing this turbo and apparently trying to pass it off as the real deal. Their website says NOTHING about this being a non-Mitsu turbo. On the other hand, they don't say that it IS, either.

Nate, I'm definitely interested in seeing your writeup on this turbo. I was hoping someone would either test or disassemble one and end the speculation once and for all.

 

[SlowboyCSE]

Oh it's coming baby, it's coming along just fine

Cragger