Roll Call October 2007 420a

[totaleclipse_05]

Feel free to post ONE pic of your car to show who your are, or whats going on with your car.

How about we follow the rules of the thread guys? 1 PICTURE.

 

[99RedGs]

Slight Top end noise FTL... planning a temp nitrous build until funding for the forged + turbo build comes in. I don't know what kind of exhaust is on it (the person before me added it), but I love the sound. Doesnt rasp throughout the entire rpm band. The person put an ebay intake on it also. Other then that its stock.. Leather is in damn near mint condition <3 black leather!

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[KazooGS-T]

I cant remember off the top of my head but I have like a 62 nitrous and the same fuel jet that it recomends for a 75 shot.(I think a 32) and its still rich. I have adjustable cam gears too but I am not running an ignition set up yet. I still have to run ms ignition. Bottle pressure is just ambient pressure, no heater yet

Hmm... When I was using a 100 shot, I had the pills as a 46 and 24. Yet again, different kits=different pills. We could have totally different designs and that make the difference. Also, you will pick up ALOT of power, from having that bottle warm. Just go to Wal-mart, buy a camping torch and heat the bottle up until it is warm; you will notice a huge difference. You don't want to be just sprayin in air, because the nitrous, especially when cool will seperate from the o2 and sink to the bottom of the bottle; always heat the bottle from the bottom to mid-way also. Oh and I'll post some pictures of the emanage tomorrow; I'll just edit this post and add them.

http://s161.photobucket.com/albums/t238/KazooGS-T/?action=view&current=PA100026.jpg http://s161.photobucket.com/albums/t238/KazooGS-T/?action=view&current=PA100022.jpg http://s161.photobucket.com/albums/t238/KazooGS-T/?action=view&current=PA100023.jpg http://s161.photobucket.com/albums/t238/KazooGS-T/?action=view&current=Emanage.jpg

 

[Slo2gen]

Cool deal, I know I need a heater. And the jets are NX jets, I will look one day at what exactly they are. Another thing, why would direct port be a dead giveaway to someone, if anything I think it would be harder to see. All the taps are done on the back/under side of the intake manifold. I will try and get pics of mine up soon, my gf got the camera.

 

[Slippi84]

Cool deal, I know I need a heater. And the jets are NX jets, I will look one day at what exactly they are. Another thing, why would direct port be a dead giveaway to someone, if anything I think it would be harder to see. All the taps are done on the back/under side of the intake manifold. I will try and get pics of mine up soon, my gf got the camera.

Naw if i'm gonna spend 600+ bucs on a nitrous direct port kit it is going on the top not the bottome because I want to be able to see my hard earned moeny when I pop my hood....I just don't want others to see it unless i point it out

 

[BigRand]

What does it matter wether he has emanage up and running for real or not. He dind't give an exact number just a bal park where he thought he was cause I asked. With a car making say 150whp which is more then reaosnable with his mods and a 175 shot you do the math that's 300whp right there without any crazy tuning just bolt on and go. I'm more concerned with the claims of running sluggish

Thats not math by the way man....

150whp + 175 shot of nitrous does not = 300whp.

It could well be, It might even be over. but you can't tell me all of that power is hitting the ground and if it is, it would probably be on a dynojet.

I'm sorry but I need dyno proven numbers before someone says Wheel Horse Power, Guestimate the crank horsepower all day, but we don't do that bench type racing around this here forum, so thats why we ask for proof.

And if he has the proof, and wants to come back here and post it in my face, more power to him.


Oh and the reason I CARE if his emange is up and running and how he did it, is because I spent months (along with other people on 2gnt.com ) a few years ago trying to get the timing feature to work with the stock ecu (because its piggy back) and it never happend for me or anyone else I know using the emange blue with a 2gnt. The ultimates work, but I haven't seen a blue work on a 2gnt.com and for me, thats like discovering the snowflake button on the dash is the AC (a whole nother story)

 

[Slo2gen]

Thats not math by the way man....

150whp + 175 shot of nitrous does not = 300whp.

It could well be, It might even be over. but you can't tell me all of that power is hitting the ground and if it is, it would probably be on a dynojet.

I'm sorry but I need dyno proven numbers before someone says Wheel Horse Power, Guestimate the crank horsepower all day, but we don't do that bench type racing around this here forum, so thats why we ask for proof.

And if he has the proof, and wants to come back here and post it in my face, more power to him.

+1, also most people that are running a low compression set up prep'd for boost will tell you that the car is sluggish when its not boosted.

 

[Slippi84]

Thats not math by the way man....

150whp + 175 shot of nitrous does not = 300whp.

It could well be, It might even be over. but you can't tell me all of that power is hitting the ground and if it is, it would probably be on a dynojet.

I'm sorry but I need dyno proven numbers before someone says Wheel Horse Power, Guestimate the crank horsepower all day, but we don't do that bench type racing around this here forum, so thats why we ask for proof.

And if he has the proof, and wants to come back here and post it in my face, more power to him.


Oh and the reason I CARE if his emange is up and running and how he did it, is because I spent months (along with other people on 2gnt.com ) a few years ago trying to get the timing feature to work with the stock ecu (because its piggy back) and it never happend for me or anyone else I know using the emange blue with a 2gnt. The ultimates work, but I haven't seen a blue work on a 2gnt.com and for me, thats like discovering the snowflake button on the dash is the AC (a whole nother story)

I agree and hear what your saying but that's why he specified diffrent kits have diffrent effects. A 175 shot will give you ball park(yes I know not exact) anywhere from 140-175whp most likely closer to 140. Now i'm no math teacher but I think that it's more then safe to say that's will get him near 300whp.

 

[KazooGS-T]

Well, if you guys want to see a dyno run, with my car over 300whp, then start up a fund. It'll cost me $150. Be more than willing to do it for you guys, just don't have the money to spend on it. Sorry. And my car is jetted for 175WHP, not the nitrous rating. I have very large jets, I can post some pictures if you want those too. My new jets are twice the size (size of the hole, in the jet) that my old ones were. I posted some pictures of the emanage for you guys, you just have to click the links. OH and my car with low compression will destroy any n/a eclipse in MY area.

 

[Blitzeclips]

I'll keep my 'power whenever the hell I want it' turbo feature. .

 

[Shadow98]

Amen for boost.

 

[Slo2gen]

Only reason I doubt is because of this, http://www.2gnt.com/index.php?d=bullettdsm he has 176 whp you have 151 NA

 

[BigRand]

yeah man, don't get it twisted, I'm not hating on you, or calling you a liar or anything like that. I'm just a very skeptical person when it comes to actual horsepower numbers because I have friends (including myself) that have been dissapointed when they get on the dyno (dyno dynamic, aka heart break dyno).

P.S. whoever is charging 150bucks for some dyno pulls is a punk!!!!

Anyways guys back on topic!!!!!

 

[Slippi84]

Only reason I doubt is because of this, http://www.2gnt.com/index.php?d=bullettdsm he has 176 whp you have 151 NA

25whp out of a NA already tapped out bolt on wise is A LOT!!!

 

[KazooGS-T]

Only reason I doubt is because of this, http://www.2gnt.com/index.php?d=bullettdsm he has 176 whp you have 151 NA

What exactly are you doubting?

And regarding the dyno, policy at the local place here is: You get on, you pay for an hour, minimum. So... I could take 30 seconds and I would have to pay for an hour, sucks? Yes, and I was wrong about the price, it's $80. Sorry, I was thinking of tuning per hour, whoops.

 

[Blitzeclips]

What exactly are you doubting?

And regarding the dyno, policy at the local place here is: You get on, you pay for an hour, minimum. So... I could take 30 seconds and I would have to pay for an hour, sucks? Yes, and I was wrong about the price, it's $80. Sorry, I was thinking of tuning per hour, whoops.

Still $80 isn't too bad. Local shops around here charge $60 for 3 pulls and one in wilmington charges $80 for 4 pulls.

*****ATTENTION- Bullett has the top N/A HP record without nitrous.

So by adding nitrous in the mix for 3xx.xx HP is cheating.

 

[KazooGS-T]

No, it's not at all. I just fabricated my very own "push button vtec" kit.

 

[Slo2gen]

But my point is that Kazoo is running 8.8 comp. Mark is running 12.5 comp. That alone will make more than 25 difference in the set ups. I don't know, its probably just the ignition difference that is giving power NA. I will wait until I get mine dynod again and see what it does and post numbers. I am not dogging you by any means so don't get it like I am bashing you, I just like to see it. Since you have everything hidden why don't you make a post on "How to hide XXXX" and show us how you did it and where you put it. I know some people would like to know.

 

[KazooGS-T]

You are VERY wrong on that sir. He should have IF his compression was 12.8:1-13:2-1 12.3-12.6% more horsepower than me. So let's see, assuming Mark has 12.8:1 that would equate in 169.12 hp, and if 13.2:1 would be 170.026 hp. Sounds pretty straight to me. I could easily squeeze out a few more horsepower, on motor, and would perfectly equal out the equation; but I'm not altogether too worried about it. I do understand the fact that you are not dogging me, I'm just saying don't make an un-informed post and claim fact.

***This post is not meant to be taken hostile by any means, I'm quite sorry if it does in fact appear that way.

 

[Slo2gen]

I also see you have a stroker crank, that very well could make the difference. If compression doens't make that much of a difference then why is my car so much slower now than it was with factory compresson?

 

[KazooGS-T]

Did you only lower the compression? I have TONS of other stuff. Full port and polished, completely ported and extrude honded manifold, cams, larger valves, 5 angle valve job, milled head, exhaust, UDP, etc.

 

[Slo2gen]

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/member.php?u=50139

As said before, I have almost the same set up as you. Where did you get your equation from?

 

[Blitzeclips]

Did you only lower the compression? I have TONS of other stuff. Full port and polished, completely ported and extrude honded manifold, cams, larger valves, 5 angle valve job, milled head, exhaust, UDP, etc.

Dude my own motor is more worked out then yours. I have 8:8:1 compression(8:6:1 according to Howell). Fully ported and polished head. Stroker with long rods. Ported and polished and knife edged intake manifold. SS oversized valves w/ PT cruiser lifters and rockers. Mopar studs and MLS gasket. Crange turbo cams, forged built motor. Blutcxh, flywheel, UDP, adjustable cam gears (haven't even touched those yet) intake, exhaust, plugs, wires, etc. This was all before the turbo came. Believe me I was beating GS-T's with that motor so I understand where you are coming from. You should add a turbo in the mix it really changes things.

One thing I don't understand out of this whole equation, is why you chose such low compression for a n/a HP goal. Was this your plan the whole time? Because higher compression is the only thing keeping you from that goal. By saying Mark has less power because you are using lower comp isn't really valid. It's part of the build, for more efficient power putting motor you would want higher compression from the get go.

Again, he's also without nitrous. So by you adding nitrous in your HP goal isn't fair. Granted, 300whp N/a is nice, but you don't have 300 HP n/a. Last time I checked nitrous was a forced induction, meaning it's not part of the HP equation (for n/a applications). Thus the specification of w/ nitrous or w/out nitrous in dyno runs. Because it changes things significantly. It's easy power though! haha..

Dyno sheets would still be cool.

 

[KazooGS-T]

What exactly are you talking about? How about you read my mod list in my profile? I've never said I was aiming for n/a power, and what are you talking about with nitrous? I made over 300 whp on nitrous. I just don't have my graphs, the printer was not working for some reason.

***Sorry to tell you, your motor is not more worked out then mine.

 

[KazooGS-T]

I don't understand why people are randomnly "chiming" in about my setup. Believe or not, I spent well over 4k on my motor ALONE. Trust me, I have everything that is possibly imaginable, I spent a TON of money on it. The build was made for it to be a reliable turbo car. EVEN my oil pan has the return line already on it, again people, read my mod list before you chime in, some parts are outdated, others are not. (Motor isn't_