calling all 420a n/t owners...

[HotSauce GS N/T]

OK, this is my first post so if I sound like a newbie thats why.

I was gonna wait and post on more intresting things but one post made me very pissed off and I had to respond quickly.

Someone in another thread (I forget whick one but its in the n/t forum) stated that the 420a's were garbage and someone else in the same thread compared it to a HONDA. That almost made me throw up. To hear that my car was being compared to a honda. Thats the exact reason why i bought a dsm, this is my 2end dsm (and im only 17)
i bought it to distnace myself from the slow, square pieces of crap that you would think came stock with aluminum wings and altezza lights.

Wow, will someone please back me up by saying that the engine has potential, not as much as he 4g63, but for the money and looks has enough potential to be fast?

I mean im sure such simple upgrades like cai, header, straightpipe, cams and a few wieght reductions options will have this beauty pretty quick right????

Someone please respond and tell me im not crazy

 

[95gs?tcrush]

I agree with you 100%. They might not be a 4g63 but for the money they definetly are a good engine. The 95 gs I own right now is my first dsm and I am very pleased with the performance I mean I have exhaust and thats it for performance right now ( only had the car for 3 weeks). And I'm out in MN where its bitterley cold and I'm smokin every honda civic on the road even the ones with stickers(cause you know those add 5 horse) it's not the fastest thing I have driven or owned but it definetly would put alot of cars out there on for a run for their money after a few more upgrades I love my 420a.....

 

[Eclipse96Ryder]

ya nt's are fast, if you race the right people. They wont run with z28's or ne thing but with some bolt ons, they can beat just about NA 4 cyl out there (except the rsx type s). My car had intake, header, exhaust, downpipe, hi flo cat, and an underdrive pulley and my best run was a 15.6 with a 2.3' 60' and it could take a lot of the cars around here. Theyre fun cars, , but i did end up buying a 1g awd

 

[Defiant]

Originally posted by HotSauce GS N/T
Someone in another thread (I forget whick one but its in the n/t forum) stated that the 420a's were garbage and someone else in the same thread compared it to a HONDA. That almost made me throw up.

Well, find some way to adjust to it. It's never going to change. 420As are perfectly adequate engines, and with a fair bit of work can perform very well. Stock, they'll run forever and do so economically, while still giving good performance. But just like a turbo DSM won't crush a big-engined Vette, a hopped-up 420A won't crush a turbo DSM.

(and im only 17)

Don't be concerned, that won't last.

Wow, will someone please back me up by saying that the engine has potential, not as much as he 4g63, but for the money and looks has enough potential to be fast?

I'll give you "quick", but by the time you've made "fast", you've out-spent the cost of starting with a factory turbo.

I mean im sure such simple upgrades like cai, header, straightpipe, cams and a few wieght reductions options will have this beauty pretty quick right????

Yes. But let us know how that weight reduction goes. You probably can't pull out 400 pounds, and the car really needs to dump twice that. More than anything else, lightness is what makes Hondas fast.

And just remember, what people say tells more about them than it does about the things they're speaking of.

 

[miamieclipse]

Our cars can be made quick, Defiant makes a good point. I'm 16, and the best advice i would give u would be to find a job so u can get mods hehe. Ive been workin since i was 14, i made enuff money to completly pay off my dsm. I love it, now i work and the money i get paid goes to pay insurance, gas, some goin out money, and the rest for mods.

Yea i have these performance mods CAI, Cat-back Exuast, Headers w/ downpipe, and no cats hehe. And ive ordered underdrive pulleys and ill let you know how they go. The other performance mods im gonna put on is:

AFX ECU
Intake Manifold
TB
Port & Polish the Heads
Cam Gears
Cam Shafts (if i can ever find them)
And im considering a 50 shot of wet nitrous but i prolly wont cause...well u know

 

[big green]

The 4G63 guys will talk crap about the 420A. It can be made fast but, not as cheap as a 4g63, If you want a fast 420A you will want a turbo kit, if you want to run high boost (more then 10 psi) you need to upgrde the internals. I would look at the FTY 2.4 motor, slap a turbo on that and you got a nasty car.

Or you can do what I did and put a 75 shot of nitrous and let her fly

check out www.2gnt.com it's dedicated to the 420A, you can learn allot there

 

[HotSauce GS N/T]

Thanks for responding.... at least i know im not crazy by saying the engine has potential (but like i said before not as much as a 4g63)

Its comforting to know that the engine could run middle to low 15's with the basic mods i lisited before (hopefully if Eclipse96Ryder is right) Im still in high school and totally dedicated to my eclipse. I know this is beginning to sound like the regular cliche of young eclipse oweners but i go to school and work around 25 hours a week. All the money i get goes into the car and soon will have all the insurance and payments payed off. (had the car 3-4 months)

One thing i got to say is i couldnt offord the insurance on the 4g63t 2nd gen or i would have got one. I have a 95 420a and proud of it. Its a 5spd (of course) and im looknig to save up and put the basic bolt-ons and then think about a turbo in a year or so. Im thinking about a cai, header, straightpipe, stage 2 or 3 cams (not sure what make, havent done research yet) and some SIMPLE weight reduction. Im not looking to lose 400 pounds or whatever but the stock seats and backseat along with spare tire, jack and a few other non essensials will be gone.

Im not looking for the 500 whp beasts that seem to be the norm on this site but a simple car i can bring to the track and post some good times with (for a n/t)

thanks for all the support, just like everything else you gotta start young and be persistant to be really good!!!

 

[green95hrcgs]

EVERY engine has potential. It is however harder to make power in some engines that others. You can make a 420A Eclipse pretty fast, but that takes more money than a 4G63. However its a project and as long as you are willing to undertake such a project, you will be fine.

There are some 4G63 owners that are cool and some out there that are straight up assholes! Some think that thier cars are the shit.....but as they say, there is always someone out there bigger and faster, and they will get thier asses handed to them. Just take everything with a grain of salt and you will be fine.

However I dont think that you are gonna consider your car fast until you get a turbo OR nitrous. But like someone posted earlier, you will need internals and accompanying mods to make your car really fast.

Good luck in whatever you decide to do.

 

[myblack98gst]

the 420a has potential but so does ALMOST every motor..

a friend of mine has a built 420a with a star turbo kit on it... the car runs good BUT my stock 4g63 will run right beside it and pull at times.. It's kind of like making a GST a GSX you can do it, but why not just buy the real thing!

 

[HotSauce GS N/T]

cant buy the real thing because insurance in ny for a 17yr old male with a car with a turbo is rediculous. Like i said before, i woulda got the turbo but the insurance quote came back almost 1 grand more then the n/t. I would be acually saving money over a 3 or 4 period time if i bought the turbo kit and put it on the n/t then didnt know about it

but anyway im looking to the less distant future and hoping to run middle to low 15's with the mods i mentioned before

thanks again

 

[Wildflyer897]

hey i'm 15 and i'm 16 in april and my bro just rolled my 96 ranger i wuz going to be driving... so my mom and i found a new idea... a 95 eclipse n/t... and we bought it. i now have a cd player and soon some 18's on it but for the performance upgrades if she finds then i'm screwed cuz she doesn't think i can handle 164 hp... she thinks wrong...

 

[95gs?tcrush]

" my friend has the star performance kit and I run along with him"

Yeah maybe you do but I'm sure if you do its because he has a stage one kit. With a stage one the 420a is just about the same as a 4g63 for hp. So I say if ya want to get a turbo to make it fast not just to say its turbo, Then why not just o with the stage 2. With the stage 2 you'll prolly want to rebuild at least the lower end and a few other parts you might want to change but for only like 600 more you get a stage 2. And with that you have 280 without other performance parts. That would let you smoke a stock 4g63 any day!

 

[myblack98gst]

Originally posted by 95gs?tcrush
Yeah maybe you do but I'm sure if you do its because he has a stage one kit. With a stage one the 420a is just about the same as a 4g63 for hp. So I say if ya want to get a turbo to make it fast not just to say its turbo, Then why not just o with the stage 2. With the stage 2 you'll prolly want to rebuild at least the lower end and a few other parts you might want to change but for only like 600 more you get a stage 2. And with that you have 280 without other performance parts. That would let you smoke a stock 4g63 any day!

Yeah it is a stage one with the t3/t4 50 trim I think.. Spearco Front Mount intercooler, Ported Polished Head, Better Valve Springs, Titanium Retainers, Weisco 8.5:1 Extreme pistons, Eagle Rods, S-AFC 2, full 3" open exhaust

Only thing missing is the injectors, they will be coming soon..


And by my being stock... The internals were stock At that time

Big 16g -- 18 psi
Walbro 255
Greddy Profec B
3" exhaust
HKS SSQ Blow Off
S-AFC 2
Open element filter

since then add to that list
6 bolt motor -- 1g rod, 2g pistons, Balance shafts removed, All ARP hardware
Ported 2g manifold, ported big 16g, ported 2g o2 housing
front Mount Intercooler
Eprom ECU w/ TMO stage 3 chip
650cc injectors
Limited Slip Diff.
Polyeurothane motor mount inserts
HKS Valve springs & retainers
Possibly HKS 272/272 cams

Aeromotive fuel filter

 

[95gs?tcrush]

So have you dynoed yet? It's prolly around 215-230 with 7-10 psi right? well if you would have done the stage two and all that other stuff you know you would have smoked the piss out of him right? I think you should do a couple more things like drivetrain ecu and a few others to control the amount of hp you have. Then you should be able to use it all and still prolly beet him by a decent amount.

 

[Eclipse96Ryder]

hotsauce GS N/T.......


i forgot the mention i have a fidanza flywheel and my about 200lbs weight reduction in my car. 15.6 all motor eclipse is usually praised by people...

but not to be cocky or nothing....but im known as the best stick driver at my school..., but to get here ive burned up THREE CLUTCHES in my non turbo car in a year and a half...but i was determined to be able to drive incredibly...and i can now....but i spit about 1700 bux into clutches, . but that 15.6 was with perfect weather....very low on gas, new tires with great grip...lowered tire pressure....and i basically tried to keep my car in neutral as much as i could on my way to the track so that my air filter wouldnt get heat soaked. (by the way the air filter was brand new)

i now consistenly run a 15.7-15.9 in my non turbo, i have not hit 15.6 again....but my non turbo is retired as my race car....haha i just picked up a 93 eagle talon tsi awd that will spank the hell out of my non turbo completely stock.

 

[jthomp]

I've been on both sides of the fence and I've owned a 1G non-turbo, 2G non-turbo, and a 2G turbo. All are nice cars, you can make any non-turbo car look show worthy and turn heads. I've done it myself. That got old, and before I let myself dump at least 4000 in a turbo kit, I decided to sell the GS and go with a GST. It's more reliable with a stock turbo, and the engine was made for the turbo. Not to beat a dead horse, but both engines are good in there own repsect. It's all your own opinion. Don't listen to what some N/T haters have to say. It's a DSM and not a Honda, and that's all that matters.

 

[myblack98gst]

Originally posted by Eclipse96Ryder
hotsauce GS N/T.......


and i basically tried to keep my car in neutral as much as i could on my way to the track so that my air filter wouldnt get heat soaked. (by the way the air filter was brand new)

this is by far the dumbest quote I have ever seen.... do you truely think coasting the car will keep the air filter temp down???

and because you went through 3 clutches does not mean you are the best stick driver at your school.. to me that sounds more like your the worst!

 

[Eclipse96Ryder]

your an idiot....


sucking in air through the air filter will definately get it heat soaked...so therefore....the less air you suck through there....the less it will get heat soaked. But whatever..

and im on my 3rd clutch because i was determined to learn to launch a FWD car better then anyone...and i bet i could do it better then your ass, and i was determined to shift faster then anyone...so i would just practice all the time shifting hard and launching....thats why i consider myself a bomb stick driver...so shut ur mouth.

oh well...

my turbo is faster then my non turbo, im sellin my non turbo by the way

 

[top_end95]

Originally posted by myblack89gst
this is by far the dumbest quote I have ever seen.... do you truely think coasting the car will keep the air filter temp down???

and because you went through 3 clutches does not mean you are the best stick driver at your school.. to me that sounds more like your the worst!

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Originally posted by Eclipse96Ryder
your an idiot....


sucking in air through the air filter will definately get it heat soaked...so therefore....the less air you suck through there....the less it will get heat soaked. But whatever..

and im on my 3rd clutch because i was determined to learn to launch a FWD car better then anyone...and i bet i could do it better then your ass, and i was determined to shift faster then anyone...so i would just practice all the time shifting hard and launching....thats why i consider myself a bomb stick driver...so shut ur mouth.

Do not add to flamewars - do not respond to flamebait posts. You can be banned for this.

That is in clear view before you post.

Take it off the boards if you're going to make these kind of comments.

 

[myblack98gst]

I was not flaming I just find it hard to believe that anyone could have a thought train like this and maybe hope they could learn that they are wrong... I Also made no personal attacks.


What good does this account do anyways... 90% of the time it is down and I couldn't view anything anyways... and then there is the nanny patrol watching everythihng you say.!

 

[top_end95]

Originally posted by myblack98gst
I was not flaming I just find it hard to believe that anyone could have a thought train like this and maybe hope they could learn that they are wrong... I Also made no personal attacks.

You didn't make any personal attacks?

...to me that sounds more like your the worst!

Sure sounds like you're responding with an insulting comment that will further aggravate the situation.

What good does this account do anyways... 90% of the time it is down and I couldn't view anything anyways... and then there is the nanny patrol watching everythihng you say.!

Its not like they're switching server for no reason.

If you have a problem with this website or it's moderators, take it up with Chris at the "Site Feedback" section.

 

[dr1665]

Hey Hot Sauce or whatever. Congrats on teh new car. Take car of her and she'll take care of you. I happen to know a few NT people up in the NY area, if you want me to get you in touch with them, drop me an email or a PM and I'll see if we cant' get you in touch with some local (or close anyways) guys who can give you a hand with things.

Again, congrats man. Smart move imo.

 

[jthomp]

I've had my fill with this thread. maybe it's time we lock this one up.....Anyone?

 

[flrseclipse17]

yeah the 420a has potential but without either nitrous or stage 2 and up turbo kit its kinda a money hole. im personaly building a 4g63 to drop in.

 

[esiman]

i have a 1995 esi talon and i tell u what i would not get another engine its a great engine i hear every one out there (non turbos are not fast ) i tell u what my talon is puting out 230hp and that has been tested i have raced with my bubbys 96 tsi and i see no difference really with a little mods to the esi u can be just as fast !!!!!!!!