Calling all 420A Owners

[phill]

Has anybody heard about anything from here being put into production?

 

[98rsclipse]

Yea we currently have it in 2 of our 10.5 srt-4 cars and one road race srt-4 and 15 min before we saw this thread we were making measurement and trying to figure out what would be needed for a clutch for our 420a race car and also a dog box configuration. And since we are the leading srt-4 custom parts manufacturing company we were also throwing around the idea of a drop in no hassle srt-4 swap with additional tuning/plug and play>

Thats an good idea for guys who wanna be different and just want something fast. The motor will still cost the same price to modify and I thougt this section was to encourage fellow 420a members to modify there motors and stuff not do a swap from another car. If you want an srt-4 motor you should just buy a dang srt-4. Focusing on the transmission would be where you guys would get money from. Plus it's easier to do the edz swap instead of swapping an srt-4 motor. With the edz swap atleast we get to keep our head and have the exhaust manifold up front and not crammed by the firewall. As for the awd thing it is possible with the auto 420a but how many people are actually gonna buy that when if your trying to go fast down the track your gona need rwd, not to mention strong transfer case. By the time someone invest research and design into that then no one will buy it because it will have one hefty price.

Like mention before these ideas should focus on reasonable things not things that are gona cost an arm and a leg.

 

[DSM-ZERO]

I say

1. A nice Tubular Equal length Turbo Manifold. A nice Turbo, Mani, Gate, & DP Package for a nice price
2. 3'' Down pipe
3. Aluminum Oil Pan
4. Aluminum Sheet Metal intake manifold


Everyone keeps saying Clutch??? There are some very very nice clutches for the 420a out there already..."SPEC, Clutch Masters, Competition Clutch, fidanza, and centerforce...

LSD?? There might be a problem there BUT BUT BUT there are only 3 types of LSD's... Insert "phantom grip"...ATB helical "Quaife or Wavetec" and Full Spool "mark Williams"......They coast what they coats....If you want to play you have to pay.....or just weld your diffs

Exhaust???? this one really gets me because any 3'' GST exhaust will fit your 420a

Cams.....Beside Crower's and cranes < if you can find them.. there really is not much beside a custom grind. I can see the need for some bad ass cams in the market but for a company to spend money on R&D for our motor ....well good luck

Valve train... for springs there is Brian Crower, Crower, and Super Tech...Thanks to me...valves there is Super Tech, Indy, PEP...BUt Super Tech has every thing we need and there BAD ASS

ECU...This is a big problem the P&P should be out ...it would be nice to have something like Hondata

Just my 2cents

 

[VelocitàPaola]

LSD?? There might be a problem there BUT BUT BUT there are only 3 types of LSD's... Insert "phantom grip"...ATB helical "Quaife or Wavetec" and Full Spool "mark Williams"......They coast what they coats....If you want to play you have to pay.....or just weld your diffs

The PhantomGrip is more of a hack than anything; certainly not a true LSD. It'll eventually ruin your differential. The retro-fit "LSD" that Exile Racing using to make was far superior, but it relied on a similar design.

Spools are okay, but not for anything but full drag racers. I don't think many 420A enthusiasts use their cars solely for racing.

I'm not sure if Wavetech makes an LSD for the 420A, but Quaife recently stopped making them. I personally think a true LSD, like the Quaife, is the best option. The geared design is great, and it probably has the most market potential.

 

[EsiGoneT-Esi]

The PhantomGrip is more of a hack than anything; certainly not a true LSD. It'll eventually ruin your differential. The retro-fit "LSD" that Exile Racing using to make was far superior, but it relied on a similar design.

Spools are okay, but not for anything but full drag racers. I don't think many 420A enthusiasts use their cars solely for racing.

I'm not sure if Wavetech makes an LSD for the 420A, but Quaife recently stopped making them. I personally think a true LSD, like the Quaife, is the best option. The geared design is great, and it probably has the most market potential.

I think some type of machining is wrong on my obx diff since i cant get the drivers side axle far enough in to stop my axle seal leak so a viable alternative to the quaife and obx would take a chunk out of my bank account. I am sick and tired of dealing with this obx pos. I would also like to see some type of adapter plate/ flywheel spacer to accommodate the evo awd tranny... something similar to bisimotos h2b adapters. I would seriously buy something like that if it was produced!

 

[phill]

I would also like to see some type of adapter plate/ flywheel spacer to accommodate the evo awd tranny... something similar to bisimotos h2b adapters. I would seriously buy something like that if it was produced!

it'll take more to make your car AWD than just the tranny, you'll need a ton more stuff to complete it.

I just want that PnP MSnS out already....

 

[DSM-ZERO]

I think some type of machining is wrong on my obx diff since i cant get the drivers side axle far enough in to stop my axle seal leak so a viable alternative to the quaife and obx would take a chunk out of my bank account. I am sick and tired of dealing with this obx pos. I would also like to see some type of adapter plate/ flywheel spacer to accommodate the evo awd tranny... something similar to bisimotos h2b adapters. I would seriously buy something like that if it was produced!

Oh i had to fight with my OBX lsd in my other car it was a pain for sure

 

[Boosted_talon98]

.. PLEASE intake manifold for artificial atmosphere.. PLEASE... I already bought my symtech race mani so Im good there but honestly Im stuck with a tuning issue right now.. the first msns pnp is for 97 style harnesses dude... so we def need something to tune with...

 

[LD25Delta9]

I say

1. A nice Tubular Equal length Turbo Manifold. A nice Turbo, Mani, Gate, & DP Package for a nice price
2. 3'' Down pipe
3. Aluminum Oil Pan
4. Aluminum Sheet Metal intake manifold


Everyone keeps saying Clutch??? There are some very very nice clutches for the 420a out there already..."SPEC, Clutch Masters, Competition Clutch, fidanza, and centerforce...

LSD?? There might be a problem there BUT BUT BUT there are only 3 types of LSD's... Insert "phantom grip"...ATB helical "Quaife or Wavetec" and Full Spool "mark Williams"......They coast what they coats....If you want to play you have to pay.....or just weld your diffs

Exhaust???? this one really gets me because any 3'' GST exhaust will fit your 420a

Cams.....Beside Crower's and cranes < if you can find them.. there really is not much beside a custom grind. I can see the need for some bad ass cams in the market but for a company to spend money on R&D for our motor ....well good luck

Valve train... for springs there is Brian Crower, Crower, and Super Tech...Thanks to me...valves there is Super Tech, Indy, PEP...BUt Super Tech has every thing we need and there BAD ASS

ECU...This is a big problem the P&P should be out ...it would be nice to have something like Hondata

Just my 2cents

+One Kagillion
I would really like to see an Aluminum oil pan made for our 420A that has the clearance for the cross member and exhaust.

Why is it that some guy from Indiana can fab up a intake manifold for a 4g63 and the design gets bought in a heartbeat and becomes the best intake manifold for that engine ever, but we can't get the same guy to create one for the 420A? Oh wait....that's right...it's because I havn't asked him to, yet. If there were enough people together I could possibly get Travis to fab up a sellable prototype design... He's always down to make more money....

Alot of talk about turbo manifolds...I think we need more RACE designed manifolds. I'd like to slap a T4 GT40 on without having to fabricate anything or use a flange. It seems as though there is a big enough market for the street enthusiasts that occasionally race but not enough for the guys that want the legit numbers on paper all the time and want a certain respectable level of reliability to go with their part purchases. Let all those guys that just want to burn from light to light buy all the stuff that's already out there because it works fine.

I would also like to see more for the NVT350. Something more than just a bigger 5th gear.(Road Rage) I want some durable synchros.

I think a more user friendly interface for MSnS would be cool. Something that has more preset options. There are alot of guys that don't have the time to devot to such a task of learing how to tune. And there are alot of guys that don't want to have to pay a dyno shop to tune with a fairly uncommon program. Maybe just a decent piggy back system that ACTUALLY works with our MAP sensor.....the "CRAP-C" as I like to call it...

I don't think that a downpipe would be very feasible. Because our cars don't come with a turbo, all of the manifolds that are out there put the turbo in their own position, which doesn't make it very easy to come out with a universal downpipe. The Ram Horn puts the turbine inlet horizontally, where the Hahn cast put it more vertically, which will put the clock position of the exhaust outlet in a different position in comparison. The Symtech Mani. puts the inlet more horizontally, but about 8 inches to the right of where the Ram Horn does. Just a whole slew of issues with that. So +1 to the more cost effective kit that includes a DP.

As far as motor mounts go there's Prothane or Energy. Just about the only two companies that make aftermarket solutions for stock motor mounts anyways, so I wouldn't expect alot of options in that department. If you're making big power, there are at least 3 makers of solid mounts, Disturbing Motorsports being one of them.

On a personal note, I want an UDP with PS/AC delete compatability. Basically just a UDP that runs ONLY the Alt. They don't make them anymore and I've got an extra 11 ounces of of useless weight on my crank!

 

[DSM-ZERO]

A double or even triple Fuel pump hanger would be nice also. And that can be used on all 2g models

 

[IIv SHaDoW vII]

How about a good quality 4-2-1 header design with a nice heatshield to go with it.. That would be awesome. The ONLY 4-2-1 headers we have available are DC and pacesetter. I hear that pacesetters are crap, and DCs are like 300-400 bucks. Also, these parts force us to lose the heatshield.

+1 on intake manifold.

How about a good quality 4-2-1 header design with a nice heatshield to go with it.. That would be awesome. The ONLY 4-2-1 headers we have available are DC and pacesetter. I hear that pacesetters are crap, and DCs are like 300-400 bucks. Also, these parts force us to lose the stock heatshield.

+1 on intake manifold.

 

[bagged420a]

Why are people saying the pacesetter header is crap? Any reasoning?

And I think the intake mani and equal length tubular exhuast mani would be the two better selling items.
And of course some type of LSD

 

[VelocitàPaola]

I think a more user friendly interface for MSnS would be cool. Something that has more preset options. There are alot of guys that don't have the time to devot to such a task of learing how to tune. And there are alot of guys that don't want to have to pay a dyno shop to tune with a fairly uncommon program. Maybe just a decent piggy back system that ACTUALLY works with our MAP sensor.....the "CRAP-C" as I like to call it...

I don't understand statements like these. You want "full control" over your engine, as long as somebody else makes all of the decisions for you. That defeats the purpose of full control. I once saw somebody make a thread claiming they need more control, but they have absolutely no interest in learning how to tune... that just doesn't make sense to me.

If you don't really want full control over your engine, then either go with Hahn's PortFueler, an S-FMU or an S-AFC. The S-AFC does "work" with our MAP sensors, but it's not receiving any signal under boost due to either a fuel cut defender or the MAP sensor itself. Megasquirt, on the other hand, isn't very complicated to install, and the user interface is actually pretty nice. Have you ever seen or used TunerStudio? It's the latest available tuning software, and it's a vast improvement over some of the older software Megasquirt users used to use:

TunerStudio MS

 

[IIv SHaDoW vII]

Why are people saying the pacesetter header is crap? Any reasoning?

And I think the intake mani and equal length tubular exhuast mani would be the two better selling items.
And of course some type of LSD

I heard mixed results. 2gnt claims its good, this site claims it sucks.. I don't have experience with it but from what I have read I would rather have a part that everyone claims is good.

 

[WannaEclipseGS]

I'm looking for a thicker core radiator all aluminum, plug in play tuning software, exhaust (turbo and n/a) and intake manifolds!

 

[LD25Delta9]

I don't understand statements like these. You want "full control" over your engine, as long as somebody else makes all of the decisions for you. That defeats the purpose of full control. I once saw somebody make a thread claiming they need more control, but they have absolutely no interest in learning how to tune... that just doesn't make sense to me.

If you don't really want full control over your engine, then either go with Hahn's PortFueler, an S-FMU or an S-AFC. The S-AFC does "work" with our MAP sensors, but it's not receiving any signal under boost due to either a fuel cut defender or the MAP sensor itself. Megasquirt, on the other hand, isn't very complicated to install, and the user interface is actually pretty nice. Have you ever seen or used TunerStudio? It's the latest available tuning software, and it's a vast improvement over some of the older software Megasquirt users used to use:

TunerStudio MS

I was making the arguement for the people with enough money to burn on the parts but not enough sense on how to fully utilize them. It's those kinds of racing enthusiasts that fuel most of the aftermarket....market. The kids with plenty of dad's or the government's money to spend but no time to learn how to spend it wisely. It's those guys that just spent $200 on a SSQV for their 4g63 and vent it to atmosphere without having Link or a GM MAF....The guys that haven't spent the last 2 months reading up on install and support faq's and oudated tuning software...I can't say I've heard anything about TunerStudio. I've had my head buried in MegaTune...Thanks for the link.
I base my input off of what I've heard from my local race community. Guys don't use MS because you can't get a shop around here to tune with it. And the local Police Department frowns upon DIY tuners....I'm not worried about it because I've bugged my class instructor enough to check it out for my DD dyno time this spring.
I like the limited admittance of how well the SAFC "works". I agree it "works" if you like being constantly frustrated with your car not running properly...ever...I think I've see one instance of a guy that likes his SAFC on his boosted RS. And he's got one hell of a complicated system integrating a SFMU and some 440's for 11lbs of boost. Kind of pricey for the limited amount of control over such minute amounts of boost...I can't tell you how many "help me I can't get my SAFC to work right" threads I've seen from 420A DSM owners.
If someone can pay for power, they will, and they'll be more willing to pay for CONVENIENT power if it's available; and most people that are willing to pay for conveniet power have no interest on how or why it works, just that it does. So from a purely marketing point of view, it's a good idea to cater to those people that want total control, but don't care how to use it properly. Those are the people that are willing to pay the most. Which can further fund R&D on the less popular power plants......

A double or even triple Fuel pump hanger would be nice also. And that can be used on all 2g models

What about this one? I haven't researched it enough yet, but I'm planning on using it.
STM - FULL BLOWN DUAL PUMP HANGER | 2G DSM 95-99
I supppose more options of manufacturers of this part would be cool. That's what this thread is all about right?

 

[josh1095]

in know ms is workin on it but id like to see that 420a pnp msns finally get here. im waiting on buying a ms for that very reason. Also i would love to see a manifold/turbo/downpipe set up without killing urself gettin someone to custom fab a downpipe. Full prefabbed ic piping thats a plugnplay would be very nice too. would buy that now if they had it rather than tryin to get a shop to build it.

 

[tegster1]

exhaust (turbo and n/a)

You can use a 4g63 exhaust you know? Just not the awd version.

 

[DSM-ZERO]

That double fuel pump is nice a little pricey though

 

[VelocitàPaola]

I was making the arguement for the people with enough money to burn on the parts but not enough sense on how to fully utilize them. It's those kinds of racing enthusiasts that fuel most of the aftermarket...

I don't know why local shops would avoid tuning Megasquirt... it's just like tuning any other EMS. Plus, installing Megasquirt is even easier than installing an AEM EMS, Haltech, etc. because you don't have to fit any wonky trigger wheels.

I agree that convenience is marketable, but abstracting all of the power of Megasquirt away from the user is a step in the wrong direction. In the words of the venerable Jon Stewart, that's like saying "we want more sunshine, but we don't want any of the heat or brightness!"

Oh, and now that you know about TunerStudio, ditch MegaTune... it's outdated and on its way out. There won't be much for support for it in the near future.

 

[LD25Delta9]

What about bigger bore TB's than just 60mm. That's good, don't get me wrong, but more options would be nice...Me and my buddy were sitting around talking about it, maybe a chrome-oly crossmember for weight reduction? Include a solid front mount on it, too! It just occured to me how heavy it is, and maybe for those looking for increased strength and reduced weight could really benefit from it. Oh and a stronger trans. mount bracket, the one that's bolted to the trans. itself, PNC# 21832P MR145035 from 2GNT CAPS. I've broke 2 at the base where it bolts to the trans. I think it was from too much side to side engine movement being caused by the bad side mounts, which have since been replaced with prothane, and soon to be billet, but I like piece of mind...and I'm willing to pay for it.

 

[7naYRu7_rs]

i like the idea of more tuning options

 

[eleclipse99]

clear timing covers, down pipes for the turbo, and turbo manifolds

 

[Fotowntalon]

i kind of wonder if anything is happening with this or if there is any type of time line, i for one would love a bad ass intake manifold

 

[bullettdsm]

i kind of wonder if anything is happening with this or if there is any type of time line, i for one would love a bad ass intake manifold

You know who to see for that......

MB