[RESOLVED] pacesetter turbo manifold any good? (No.) [Merged 5-8]

[tsiawdspeed]

I was looking in a magazine and they said that Pacesetter made a header for the turbo. Does anyone know about the quality or performance of the header?

 

[burldude]

Ive got the same rusty flaky header and it hasnt caused any problems . Great product other than the little peices of weld splatter that come off and cause the turbo to whine until it grinds them up :thumbdown No cracks and no leaks

 

[SpoolnTsi]

so SPoolin, your Pacesetter, did it melt any fans or burn your valve cover gasket or anything adverse? I see yours was not ceramic coated. I got a ceramic coated pacesetter, evo3 16g, and 122 performance tubular 02 housing waiting to go on and was just worried about melting a fan. Its not my daily driver though just weekends/track. Hot Rod mag says ceramic coatings lowered underhood temps 300*F on the header surface.

No, i never burned or melted anything. Ceramic coatings will always help with the heat as long as it lasts

 

[joeracer321]

Well I just got my pacesetter header, but I bought the ceramic coated one. After not learning my lesson on my prior projects, I just had to spend the money this time. for 200 bucks this is a nice manifold. Not on a dsm but I have had a few different brands, and I have never got a ceramic coated set. I am really hoping this coating performs as well as the hype does. I can attest to HIGH underhood temps from non coated headers. I also plan on getting the downpipe that is ceramic coated as well. I will report back after I get it on. I already know its going to be a pain though, there is already a bolt broken off in the head from the previous owners dumb a$$ mechanic, that was the reason for the swap anyhow...... man i wish i had the dough to change the turbo at the same time, this t25 is JUNK!!!

 

[My96AWD]

my pacesetter has a crack on one of the runners the welds on the collector are leaking the welds on the flange to the head i had to have redone. not to mention the collector to turbo are different sizes. if i still had the 2g i would put it back on. i plan on buying another 2g or evo mani. or if i got another tubular i would go with dnp.

 

[1993eclipseGS]

Well, It looks like i've spoke to soon. After fixing my exhaust leaks with new gaskets, It was really loud in the engine bay. This is what I found.. Pictures are dark but , The collector and support snapped right off

 

[Mirage2LTurbo]

www.AutoLabOnline.com

 

[Revolution]

http://www.koumotorsports.com/new_products.html


Take a look at my manifold.

I never had a problem with it, and would recomend it to any body.

 

[blitz43]

http://www.koumotorsports.com/new_products.html


Take a look at my manifold.

I never had a problem with it, and would recomend it to any body.

looks good and does good too because its good that tubular style to it

 

[me612]

http://www.koumotorsports.com/new_products.html


Take a look at my manifold.

I never had a problem with it, and would recomend it to any body.

How long have you been running it? Just curious because that is a pretty nice pricetag and it looks nice also. But of course I don't want something that is going to last a year and then break or crack. Do they have any sort of warantee?

 

[Revolution]

I made a deal with a retailor here in Toronto as to save me on shipping. I didnt get it directly from kou , but I know kou made mine.

I love it,,, my evo3 spools in between 2500 and 3100 and I really did feel the the difference in the top end. When letting off the gas and then stomping it my car picks up speed well in any gear.

I love it and have had it all summer. Now im going to jet coat it for the winter time. (yes I jack the car up and drive it in the winter).

I really dont have to worry about cherry welds or cracks in the runners because these maniflods are made with mandrel bent pipes hence their only welded at the collector and flange. What sold me though was the five support brackets, and the design too.

The more pipes the less spool but the more top end , me well I wanted the best of both worlds.

 

[coltboostin]

I made a deal with a retailor here in Toronto as to save me on shipping. I didnt get it directly from kou , but I know kou made mine.

I love it,,, my evo3 spools in between 2500 and 3100 and I really did feel the the difference in the top end. When letting off the gas and then stomping it my car picks up speed well in any gear.

I love it and have had it all summer. Now im going to jet coat it for the winter time. (yes I jack the car up and drive it in the winter).

I really dont have to worry about cherry welds or cracks in the runners because these maniflods are made with mandrel bent pipes hence their only welded at the collector and flange. What sold me though was the five support brackets, and the design too.

The more pipes the less spool but the more top end , me well I wanted the best of both worlds.

Couple of things....

Manifold is most likely a ss autocrome manifold, and not manufactured by your boy sorry. He probably gets them for cheap and slaps a mitsu flange on it, but that is 100% SS autojunk. Most DSMers dont like them, but I think they are a good looking peice, tig wleded to boot.

Oh, and just because it is mandrel bent, does not mean it does not have internal welds, this goes for exaust, or anything else that is mandrel bent, and/ or uses mandrel bent pipes.

 

[SpoolnTsi]

Couple of things....

Manifold is most likely a ss autocrome manifold, and not manufactured by your boy sorry. He probably gets them for cheap and slaps a mitsu flange on it, but that is 100% SS autojunk. Most DSMers dont like them, but I think they are a good looking peice, tig wleded to boot.

Oh, and just because it is mandrel bent, does not mean it does not have internal welds, this goes for exaust, or anything else that is mandrel bent, and/ or uses mandrel bent pipes.

Not to hijack this thread anymore than what it already is but that was exactly what i was thinkin also. Looks like a knock off of the orginal DNP.
http://www.dnperformance.com/eclipse.html
I know ss autocrome on ebay sells the same header and its junk

 

[coltboostin]

Not to be a ####, but have you ever run the SS Autochrome? If not, then how do you know it is junk? I hate how DSM'res (mostly just on this forum) just jump on the freaking bandwagon of those who have deep pockets and think only, if it no the most expensive, it is not the best and theirfor junk. If you ran it, and it broke in half, then complain. Otherwise, I dont think a negative comment is warrented.

Surpa, Sr20, and KA guys LOVE these things, and the only comments I hear about them ate from people who have never run one.

 

[SpoolnTsi]

Not to be a ####, but have you ever run the SS Autochrome? If not, then how do you know it is junk? I hate how DSM'res (mostly just on this forum) just jump on the freaking bandwagon of those who have deep pockets and think only, if it no the most expensive, it is not the best and theirfor junk. If you ran it, and it broke in half, then complain. Otherwise, I dont think a negative comment is warrented.

Surpa, Sr20, and KA guys LOVE these things, and the only comments I hear about them ate from people who have never run one.

If your refering to me.......no i havent personally with my car. But i do have experience with them. I am friends with some people that have run them and they have had bad results with them. I have seen what has happend to them. So dont come in here asking me if i had experience with and making conclusions on your own. You came into this unarmed. I feel the same exact way you do. "If you dont have experience with something, dont state your opinions just from what you hear". I know what you mean, im the same way with situations like this. I have had experience with them so there is no need for these accuzations. If i didnt i wouldnt have posted

p.s. Sorry if im being harsh, its been a hell of a day for me and im probably just venting

 

[Eclipsei95cl]

Lol, actually, i thought the same thing when i got it, but it does stay very nice lookin. It darkens up alittle bit but not much. Almost like a goldish color but still like a mirror. Only time will tell. We'll see in a years time. Still well worth it over the pacesetter

This is what my DNP looks like now...and yes if you notice the far right runner was drilled for an egt but for some reason my probe was being a biatch and didnt work so I welded the hole until i find me a probe(ghetto i know)this manifolds got at least 5k miles on it..

 

[BoostinAWD]

The SS autochrome manifold is like trying to fit the square peg in the round hole.
Whos the moron who decied to put a square flange on a manifold designed to bolt upto a turbo with a round inlet

 

[SpoolnTsi]

This is what my DNP looks like now...and yes if you notice the far right runner was drilled for an egt but for some reason my probe was being a biatch and didnt work so I welded the hole until i find me a probe(ghetto i know)this manifolds got at least 5k miles on it..

Ive been able to keep mine pretty clean. Im always back under the hood clean her up after im done driving it. I guess you can call me a freak. Im just picky like that. Yours might still clean up alittle with some time. That stuff just cleans right off for me but i do it as soon as a shut the car off when its still hot. Yours still looks better now than my pacesetter when it was new IMO. Man when that paint burned off of the pacesetter damn

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[me612]

The SS autochrome manifold is like trying to fit the square peg in the round hole.
Whos the moron who decied to put a square flange on a manifold designed to bolt upto a turbo with a round inlet

I have never seen a pic of the turbo flange on there. But you're saying they use a flange with a square opening? Not being able to even get that shaping right makes me question that piece now.

 

[BoostinAWD]

You havent seen a picture yet, because they don't want to admit there mistake
The bolt holes match up fine but the outlet is square.

 

[Revolution]

Couple of things....

Manifold is most likely a ss autocrome manifold, and not manufactured by your boy sorry. He probably gets them for cheap and slaps a mitsu flange on it, but that is 100% SS autojunk. Most DSMers dont like them, but I think they are a good looking peice, tig wleded to boot.

Oh, and just because it is mandrel bent, does not mean it does not have internal welds, this goes for exaust, or anything else that is mandrel bent, and/ or uses mandrel bent pipes.

First off he's not my boy , where did I ever state that? So explain to me why so many dsmers dont like this manifold ? I would love to hear some reasons as to why this kuo manifold is considered 100% ss autojunk?

And how does a mandrel bent pipe have welds in it? Are you implicating the welds at the collector and flange are also in the pipe?

Im sorry you lost me their for a sec. Like most manifolds mine was ported at the flange and the collector . My magnus intake manifold was also ported at the flange ,so does that make it shit aswell. How do you define crap?

I want to know what makes my manifold in you'r eyes some peice fo shit?

I did realize that the collector flange was square , and when the manifold comes off I plan on having some one grind/port the opening to a more desirable shape. Funny thought even with the square flange my kou manifold still (in my opinion) out performed the 2g manifold.

Ok im just mind boggeld here , are you stating that because you knew a guy who once upon a time ran a ss auto junk mani you have had what ? First hand expearience ?
Ok maybe I read you'r other post wrong. And dont take any offence to what im saying im not purposly hounding you out , im just flabergasted as to how you know so much about my mani ,if you've never had it on you'r car.

Oh well maybe im the moron who saved a few hundred bucks on an upgrade, even after the flange "correction" will take place.

Im just wondering how I have had such a great expearience with this peice of junk (thats what you've called it right) and so many other dsmers have'nt , wich I have'nt heard from co-insadently , I've heard alot about pacesetter but not about kou wich is secretly really sstautochrome right.

Hmm thats alot of questions ,and maybe some one would be so kind as to explain and answer most if not all .

I am in no means becoming defensive , but I treat this the axact same way I would treat some guy shooting out afc numbers out of his ass to some one who really needs help tunning. Like yeah dude lean out 1000 through 4000 by 13 then richen it by like 20 knots until you hit 8000, because you know you want more fuel in the top end right/ oh and what are you running 680's? shure that'll do it.

Comon,, you guys know exactly what I mean , I hate this he said and she said crap about some one my cousin knew. These are'nt urban legends , when I like to hear from ppl I like to hear facts and details.

I know pacesetter has cherry welds in the runners , would i buy it no, but would I spend 480 american for a dnp ,,hell no.

 

[sccrAdidas15]

Hey, I was wondering if the Pacesetter cat-back exhausts and headers work well for the 1g DSM's. Anyone have them or owned Pacesetter products please tell me how you liked them and how well their products are! Thanks!

 

[v8killerr1]

as far as the headers go, pacesetter says they are equal length, but they really aren't. My friend had one and it helped spool up pretty good, but the welds looked like they were done by a three year old. We made the welds better and ported it out a little bit more and he hasn't had any incident with it breaking the welds.

 

[Tallen]

Hey, I was wondering if the Pacesetter cat-back exhausts and headers work well for the 1g DSM's. Anyone have them or owned Pacesetter products please tell me how you liked them and how well their products are! Thanks!

There are better solutions with no neckdowns and such crap. Their exhaust manifolds are laughable.

www.rnrracing.com is a nice cheap exhaust maker.

 

[ALLBoostAWD]

I am debating on wether to get a Pacesetter turbo header or find a used 2g ported manifold. I have heard good things about both but wanted some good inside advise before i make a purchase. The bottom line is one or the other is going to get purchased, my stock mani cracked almost in half.

 

[BGRIPTP]

I have heard some problems with the Pacesetter's manifolds cracking. Id probably just go with a 2g manifold, that's what I have on my 6 bolt.