Prosport wideband vs Aem uego

[Spoolin18]

Anyone out there have any experience with the prosport wideband 02, or any review threads/sites/....OR should I just go with the Aem uego?


I wanted prosport to match my other gauges, but...

 

[Hubbard 0]

You guys must be doing something wrong. I've been able to log my AEM gauge to evoscan and mitsulogger without a single issue for the last several months. The programs show the AFR exactly as it is on the gauge everytime.

 

[snowborder714]

No, this has been a known issue with DSMlink for a long time now. Some people deal with it, some people really tweak things in the program to get it to read correctly, and others just say screw it and get an LC-1.

 

[prostreetdsmx1]

AEM or Innovate

 

[Spoolin18]

I'm gonna go all prosport gauges, except the wideband. I think I might go with Inovative, still not sure since my buddy is deep in the 11"s with his Aem. He's got to be doing something right with it. He don't even use a logger anymore, just the Aem and a super afc.

 

[empie1]

No. I'm not funny at all...

I just don't like it when companies lie or distort the truth in order to sell their product.

(From Prosport's website)

Utilizing the latest Bosch wideband O2 sensor -5 wire heated LSU 4.9 (Prosport Inc. is the only one in the USA to use them)

This is a distortion of the truth. The LSU 4.2 sensor is the most commonly used WB02 Sensor on the market. While the LSU 4.9 sensor is the latest Bosch sensor, it was designed and developed for use with Diesel and lean burn operations. Sometimes the newest and latest thing isn't the best. I'll let you decide.

Also, the GlowShift WB02 uses the LSU.4.9. Maybe these cheap gauge companies know something that more reputable companies don't? Probably not... They can probably just get the sensors cheap because no one else uses them.

Read about WB02's here: WBo2 Oxygen Sensors

our gauge now has the widest range 10.0:1 to 20.0:1 AFR readings on the planet.

This is absolutely FALSE. As I mentioned before my LC-1 gauge will read down to 7.4AFR and will read as high as 22.4AFR.

Also I can't stand the fact that they have no support section on their website. I like to read over the installation manual of products before I buy them. Just to know the install process before I get the product. Their website is lacking any installation or user manual .pdf's. They don't tell you if it has any analog outputs, and if there are any, if they are programmable.

Plus, based off the price on their website the price is actually more than what I paid for my LC-1. At $229.00

I got my LC-1 for $205 shipped.

So, No... I'm not crazy I just don't like using products in which the company has to scheme or hide facts in order to sell it.

Also, I'm sure their customer service is awesome!! It has to be in order to keep on selling crappy products. Otherwise people won't ever come back to you.

Wow take it easy buddy.The point is, their stuff works great.What have you owned by them out of curiosity?If your gonna rip stuff apart, I expect you to have a experiance.I hope your not one of those "my friend says..." types..
Oh and Im still waiting for a REAL 3rd gear pull log...

 

[lacroixdp]

I think this post from 3Si clearly illustrates the quality difference between Prosport/Glow Shift and a reputable gauge manufacturer, like Defi.

So has Prosport gauges cleared their name? - Page 4 - 3000GT/Stealth International Message Center

Like I said before, my experience with Prosport and Glow Shift were quite poor. All of the boost gauges I've ever handled from them were slow reacting and inaccurate. In addition, one of the two oil sending units I've worked with from them were bad right out of the box. Why would you want that in a vehicle you care about when a reputable brand like Auto Meter just cost a little bit more? As for your $200 Prosport wideband, you can buy an Innovate for $200 right off their website. Why would you buy the generic when you can get a very highly regarded wideband setup for the exact same price? YMMV, and IMHO, of course.

 

[Hubbard 0]

At least prosports look decent, but I can't figure out why anyone would ever buy glow shift gauges. They are the most awful looking things I've ever seen.

 

[Spoolin18]

I think it was a biased test, and not an acurate test at that. The last dude was right every engine behaves different according to mods and so fourth. A gauge can also behave differently while driving than at Idle. I have seen autometers do that.

 

[->PrOjEcTGS<-]

So your point is that, even though you have never actually bought, installed, or used one, you know all about them because they don't post install instructions on their site? Here you go: drill hole, weld bung, screw in sensor, connect wires. Now you can completely change your opinion of them.

Not sure who told you they were designed for diesel engines? You don't make the most power running rich either btw.

http://www.bosch-motorsport.de/pdf/sensors/lambda/LSU49.pdf

My prosport wideband set me back $200 shipped. All you have to do is look around and you can find deals.

I know how to install a wideband. I've done 4 on various vehicles.

And I'm not saying I know everything about Prosport's Wideband. If anything I'm saying I don't know enough and that their website doesn't offer anything. Most reputable companies have all of the documentation available on their website. This is not only for new/potential buyers but for owners of their products to look back and get a replacement owners manual in the event that they lose the original. I just see it as them trying to hide info from their potential customers. Having access to information as to the output scale of their analog outputs is crucial, especially when they're not programmable, in order to make an informed decision about buying their product. Whether it will play nice with other products you will buy in the future.

I know that I will never have to buy another wideband because no matter what EMS I am working with I can program the LC-1 to output what I need it to.

Also here's who told me it's designed for Diesel and Lean Burn applications (I linked to it in my original post but here you go again): WBo2 Oxygen Sensors

The four sensors 6 066, 7 057/, 7 200 & 17 025 are Bosch LSU wideband pump cell sensors. They are described in more detail in the special LSU section and they are all sold by Tech Edge. WBo2 was specifically designed around the LSU sensor and all relevant Bosch operating conditions (including the exacting "light off" warmup characteristics) are rigorously observed. The 06 066 sensor is normally called an LSU 4.0 (although some documentation calls it an LSU 4.2) , and the 07 057 & 07 200 are LSU 4.2 variants. The 17 025 is an LSU 4.9 which is designed to work well in diesel and lean burn applications.

While it can work with either Diesel or Gasoline it is "designed" for use with diesel and lean burning gasoline engines.

Do a search in google for "Lean Burn" and read up. You'll find it's a lot leaner than your typical 11.5:1 pump gas tune that we DSMer's run.

Wow take it easy buddy.The point is, their stuff works great.What have you owned by them out of curiosity?If your gonna rip stuff apart, I expect you to have a experiance.I hope your not one of those "my friend says..." types..
Oh and Im still waiting for a REAL 3rd gear pull log...

The only product I've ever owned from them are their gauge blanks. I use them to mount my LED's for my water injection and LC-1 diagnostics. Frankly because no one else sells them.

I'm getting that pull... I went to make the 3rd gear pull the other day and my laptop battery was dead. And the only other logs I had of a long 3rd gear pull was in march when it was like 40* out. I'll get one don't worry






Look guys... We don't have to agree, I just wanted to get across the point that I wouldn't buy it. I've been in the situation once already where I bought the AEM WBo2 and it wasn't up to the challenges that I was putting against. I had to sell it and get a better unit. While I'm sure AEM sells other great products, their WB02 just wasn't up to par for me. Same goes for Prosport, I'm sure they have other great products like my Gauge Blanks. But, you won't find me buying a tuning tool like a WB02 from them any time soon. Shoot, I have owned plenty of Autometer gauges in the past and they have never done me wrong but I don't think I would even buy their WB02 unit.

 

[TSIMonsteR]

At least prosports look decent, but I can't figure out why anyone would ever buy glow shift gauges. They are the most awful looking things I've ever seen.

Prosports and GlowShifts are nearly identical from what I've seen.

 

[->PrOjEcTGS<-]

Yep... Check out post #9 of this thread.

^^^ I agree the AEM UEGO and Prosport are crap... Get an Innovate product.

Yes I've used the AEM 6 in 1 gauge type wideband conroller... It sucked...

I don't have much experience with the prosport but just by looking at what it offers I can say... It sucks...

 

[empie1]

Aah. This is the part that pissed me off.

There is a lot of that around here, it is annoying.

 

[->PrOjEcTGS<-]

That's fine... Since I don't have any experience with the Prosport wideband unit and you do, Can you please answer a few questions for me?

How many analog outputs does the Prosport wideband have?
If it has any analog outputs, are they programmable?
If it has any analog outputs, what is the formula used to find AFR from the Voltage outputted?
How many serial inputs/outputs does the Prosport wideband have?
What is the refresh rate of the Prosport Wideband unit?
Does the Prosport Wideband unit require a free air calibration?
Is the free air calibration automatically done when a replacement sensor is put in?
Can the Prosport Wideband unit emulate a narrowband 02 sensor?
What is the highest AFR the gauge will read to?
What is the lowest AFR the gauge will read to?

If you could answer those questions for me, It may possibly totally change my perspective on the Prosport Wideband unit. Or it may totally confirm my suspicions. Most of these questions are not answered on their website like most other gauge companies would disclose.

 

[empie1]

That's fine... Since I don't have any experience with the Prosport wideband unit and you do, Can you please answer a few questions for me?

How many analog outputs does the Prosport wideband have?
If it has any analog outputs, are they programmable?
If it has any analog outputs, what is the formula used to find AFR from the Voltage outputted?
How many serial inputs/outputs does the Prosport wideband have?
What is the refresh rate of the Prosport Wideband unit?
Does the Prosport Wideband unit require a free air calibration?
Is the free air calibration automatically done when a replacement sensor is put in?
Can the Prosport Wideband unit emulate a narrowband 02 sensor?
What is the highest AFR the gauge will read to?
What is the lowest AFR the gauge will read to?

If you could answer those questions for me, It may possibly totally change my perspective on the Prosport Wideband unit. Or it may totally confirm my suspicions. Most of these questions are not answered on their website like most other gauge companies would disclose.

Hahahahahaha...get over it.You have no experience with the product, therefore you cant comment on the credibility.Its not that complex, if you havent used it, keep your OPINIONS to your self. Calm down, and just stfu about stuff you really haven't used.
I could careless about any questions you need answered.It works, its accurate, its cheap.Thats good for me.When you hear of someone smoking their engine becuase their wideband doesnt have "Free air calibration", come tell me.
Go back to searching statistics on widebands...or getting a wot log.

 

[->PrOjEcTGS<-]

Hahahahahaha...get over it.You have no experience with the product, therefore you cant comment on the credibility.Its not that complex, if you havent used it, keep your OPINIONS to your self. Calm down, and just stfu about stuff you really haven't used.
Go back to searching statistics on widebands...or getting a wot log.

I will STFU once my questions are answered that way the OP will know that your Prosport Wideband is the way to go!! Everone goes on and on about stuff and how it's the best thing in the world and never offers information on them. Shit, I bought the AEM unit because I always heard great things about it and then once I bought it and started using it I started having problems with the outputs not matching the gauge. Why would something that sucks like that be so popular? Name?

BTW, LSU 4.9 for diesel tuning? - Innovate Motorsports Forum

Even Glowshift has a user manual on their website so I can answer half of my questions. (they have no analog outputs) http://www.glowshift.com/pdf/tinted-wideband-air-fuel-gauge.pdf

 

[empie1]

I will STFU once my questions are answered that way the OP will know that your Prosport Wideband is the way to go!! Everone goes on and on about stuff and how it's the best thing in the world and never offers information on them. Shit, I bought the AEM unit because I always heard great things about it and then once I bought it and started using it I started having problems with the outputs not matching the gauge. Why would something that sucks like that be so popular? Name?

BTW, LSU 4.9 for diesel tuning? - Innovate Motorsports Forum

Heres what you do.Google reviews of a product before you buy it.Prosports get great reviews from people in every car group.Sure they have some bad stuff here and there but so do other companies. They are, from my experience, great for the money. Every question you listed about it is a joke and no basic tuner, yourself included, really has any use for that information.You don't need your questions answered because you , like many others on here, just through out your .02 which is based off nothing.You can't find enough specs on a gauge so you prance around trashing them...You even admit to never using them, yet talk shit because you can't find a refresh time???Are you f*cking serious??
For a average dd car, prosport gauges are the best value.You bought aem because you claimed everyone loves it, even though a simple google search would have told you differently.Now your suck with a shitty product and good luck getting it resolved with aem.I applauded the customer service at prosport because they are actual car people that use and know the products they sell.But what ever, this is a beat topic and you have nothing to really bring to the table.Peace.

 

[->PrOjEcTGS<-]

Heres what you do.Google reviews of a product before you buy it.Prosports get great reviews from people in every car group.Sure they have some bad stuff here and there but so do other companies. They are, from my experience, great for the money. Every question you listed about it is a joke and no basic tuner, yourself included, really has any use for that information.You don't need your questions answered because you , like many others on here, just through out your .02 which is based off nothing.You can't find enough specs on a gauge so you prance around trashing them...You even admit to never using them, yet talk shit because you can't find a refresh time???Are you f*cking serious??
For a average dd car, prosport gauges are the best value.You bought aem because you claimed everyone loves it, even though a simple google search would have told you differently.Now your suck with a shitty product and good luck getting it resolved with aem.I applauded the customer service at prosport because they are actual car people that use and know the products they sell.But what ever, this is a beat topic and you have nothing to really bring to the table.Peace.

I'm not stuck with the AEM unit. I sold that POS and got a real WB unit.

Yes those are real questions that someone like me would want to know before purchasing a product.

I use the WB unit natively to the ECU the slower the refresh rate of the unit the slower the ECU reacts in Closed Loop.

Analog outputs are for logging purposes. Without these you'd have to look at your Tacho while looking at your WB02. With them I can log the voltage though PIN 4 or 15 of the ECU and convert the voltage to AFR using the formula for the LC-1 of V*3.008+7.35=AFR.

Serial In/outputs are for programming/daisychainging/logging purposes.

Free air calibration to get as accurate of an AFR sampling as possible. The LC-1 automatically detects a new sensor and does it's heater calibration as well as a free air calibration on it's first startup with that new sensor.

I don't get it? You claim the prosport is wonderful and very affordable yet no one has been willing to prove that the unit is up to par with its competitors.

I guess in order for me to have an opinion on a shitty product/company, I have to try the shitty product?

 

[empie1]

I'm not stuck with the AEM unit. I sold that POS and got a real WB unit.

Yes those are real questions that someone like me would want to know before purchasing a product.

I use the WB unit natively to the ECU the slower the refresh rate of the unit the slower the ECU reacts in Closed Loop.

Analog outputs are for logging purposes. Without these you'd have to look at your Tacho while looking at your WB02. With them I can log the voltage though PIN 4 or 15 of the ECU and convert the voltage to AFR using the formula for the LC-1 of V*3.008+7.35=AFR.

Serial In/outputs are for programming/daisychainging/logging purposes.

Free air calibration to get as accurate of an AFR sampling as possible. The LC-1 automatically detects a new sensor and does it's heater calibration as well as a free air calibration on it's first startup with that new sensor.

I don't get it? You claim the prosport is wonderful and very affordable yet no one has been willing to prove that the unit is up to par with its competitors.

I guess in order for me to have an opinion on a shitty product/company, I have to try the shitty product?

You are hilarious.All you can say is misc specs arn't online for you.Get a clue, your advice isn't based on anything other than that.You completely ignore the fact you haven't used anything from prosport, so in all reality, you have nothing to compare it to.You also ignore the fact that overall consenus from other communities is prosport is a good company.I look at overall reviews on things before I buy them.I don't nit pick on specs that are or are not online.
And yes, in order to have an opinion on something, you need to have experience with it.Thats like me saying what a pos 1g yours is, just based on your thread topics you post (or don't post).
The topic is over.The op got his answer.Find another thread to insert your worthless opinions into.

 

[->PrOjEcTGS<-]

Wow... You're right... I can't believe I was so ignorant to argue my stance and attempt to gain information on the subject.



Thankyou for showing me the light!

 

[bling5tatus]

Innovate or Techedge.

 

[TSIMonsteR]

while I think he lacks tact, I agree with ProjectGS.

I mean, whoever thinks you can call the company who makes the product and receive unbiased information is severely damaged/mislead :.

Anyway, I'd like to see the answers to these questions from users themselves.

How many analog outputs does the Prosport wideband have?
If it has any analog outputs, are they programmable?
If it has any analog outputs, what is the formula used to find AFR from the Voltage outputted?
How many serial inputs/outputs does the Prosport wideband have?
What is the refresh rate of the Prosport Wideband unit?
Does the Prosport Wideband unit require a free air calibration?
Is the free air calibration automatically done when a replacement sensor is put in?
Can the Prosport Wideband unit emulate a narrowband 02 sensor?
What is the highest AFR the gauge will read to?
What is the lowest AFR the gauge will read to?

 

[empie1]

while I think he lacks tact, I agree with ProjectGS.

I mean, whoever thinks you can call the company who makes the product and receive unbiased information is severely damaged/mislead :.

Anyway, I'd like to see the answers to these questions from users themselves.

Who cares? Are you trying to start another argument?Its over..the op got his answers, project gs bashed a company based on a lack of information and now its done.

 

[TSIMonsteR]

Who cares? Are you trying to start another argument?Its over..the op got his answers, project gs bashed a company based on a lack of information and now its done.

Well, evidently a lot of people care. The OP got half an answer. Some of us may have the same question but want more detail. Is there something wrong with that? I don't understand how you can say "and now its done." All I see in this thread are opinions. Many of which have no facts to back them. I want to see some definate answers!

Also, I don't think I initiated another argument any where in my post, but your unnecessarily snotty retort may indeed spark some argument/moderation.

 

[bling5tatus]

I agree ^^

I think the technicalities are worth noting for sure.

 

[98srt]

I just got a innovative LC-1 off ebay for 202 shipped brand new