Prosport wideband vs Aem uego

[Spoolin18]

Anyone out there have any experience with the prosport wideband 02, or any review threads/sites/....OR should I just go with the Aem uego?


I wanted prosport to match my other gauges, but...

 

[empie1]

Prosport is good.

 

[Spoolin18]

Is either one of these plug and play, or would I need a laptop for one of them?

 

[empie1]

What do you mean?

 

[knochgoon24]

Have you considered the Innovate LC-1? I have it and I really like it.

And here's something to read. www.paceperformance.com/paceperformance/pdf/widebandshootout.pdf

 

[lacroixdp]

+1 for Innovate. Neither of those you listed are particularly good. AEM's UEGO is not horrible but it doesn't play well with Jackal and Prosport is a generic Chinese knock-off of Defi... they are made by the same people that make Glow Shift.

 

[->PrOjEcTGS<-]

^^^ I agree the AEM UEGO and Prosport are crap... Get an Innovate product.

Yes I've used the AEM 6 in 1 gauge type wideband conroller... It sucked...

I don't have much experience with the prosport but just by looking at what it offers I can say... It sucks...

 

[lacroixdp]

Have you actually used AEM's or Prosports gauges or are you just spouting off things you've "heard"?

I've owned both. I just sold my UEGO last month because it gives inaccurate voltage to Jackal's program. I might add, the gauge itself is very chintzy feeling. PIMKing also had one DOA a few months ago. I helped a cheap friend install some Prosport gauges late last year... the oil gauge was DOA, the boost gauge was not as precise as I'd like, and his wideband was more of a light show than an accurate means of measuring A/F. If you knew me, you'd know I don't comment on things unless I've had experience with them. With as reasonably priced as Innovate's wideband is, there's just no reason to not get it, IMHO.

 

[Spoolin18]

Well, I'm not rich, but I know the inovative and the aem is in the same price range. I ain't looking for 11's. I just want something that is going to be simple. I'm not going with dsm link or anything like that. I'm using the super afc II, a small or evo 16g, Evo injectors, A fmic. A chip, Probably no more than 17 lbs of boost. I will probably go with a palm logger, unless someone has a better Idea of logging. I like the prosport gauges, always worked fine for me. Just never used their wideband. My buddy is in the 11's on a aem, super afcII and a chip.

This car is extremley clean, low miles. I don't want to rag it out. Just tasteful mods.

 

[->PrOjEcTGS<-]

Think of the AEM and Prosport gauge as entry level units. I would only use them if you never wanted to log the output from them.

The Innovate LC-1 is more of a "Professional" best bang for the buck type unit. You can order it with or without the gauge and you have a choice of the gauge to buy. You can also order it with or without the sensor. So that if you work at a auto parts store you can get your discount for the bosch VW sensor.

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Now the advantages of the LC-1 over the AEM product are:

Reads to a lower 7.4:1 AFR and a Higher 22.4:1 AFR
Not 1 but 2 programmable analog outputs
Compatible with multiple gauges. You can even use gauges from other manufacturers.
Faster refresh rate.
Replacement sensors can be had from your local auto parts stores.
Comes with logworks logging software. AEM wants you to use hyperterminal?! Yuk!!

 

[nyTalonTsi]

I used the AEM for a couple months. I didn't see any flaws but thats probably because i didn't drive the car all the time. But the innovate lc-1 i know for a fact is at the top, from people who use it and i used it in my old e36 very accurate and consistant.

And with prosport you never know what your gonna get with their gauges, its like one set is good the other is faulty you and your luck.

 

[undesiredshoe]

Dont get prosport, ive had horrible experiences. My boost gauge came with the needle point at 5 psi and after a few months, my oil pressure sender died and now my oil pressure gauge doesnt read 0 psi with the car off...wtf.

The oil pressure never read right when it did work, i would get readings of 0 psi after driving the car for a while and im pretty sure that if it was really at 0 psi, my car wouldnt be running right now.

 

[Scientist]

I've used the AEM and the Innovate.

So far out of the two innovates i've used I can't write home anything good about either of them except the logging software was nice. After weeks of back and forth with innovate as to why the gauge is buggin out each time etc, i sold em both and bought the AEM. On both the cars I installed these, I use a greddy E-manage ultimate and log the AEM straight through the ultimate. I tested it against my friends LM-2 and it was spot on through WOT pulls.

I'm thinking of trying Zeitronix soon, but I've installed an AEM in my car. Others may have had good results with Innovate, but it has surely put a sour taste in my mouth

 

[Jammin'Trey]

Get a LC-1 one, look on ebay you can get them brand new for 200$ shipped, I did....

It is awesome, I love mine

 

[empie1]

You guys are hilarious that hate on prosports and havent used them.There warrenty is great and they have awesome customer service.

 

[Blurred Talon]

All my gauges are Pro Sport and I have never had a single issue with them.

 

[assault187]

Does the Innovate setup log accurately with DSMLink? My AEM uego is off quite a bit when logging in DSMLink which is why I plan on switching.

 

[->PrOjEcTGS<-]

You guys are hilarious that hate on prosports and havent used them.There warrenty is great and they have awesome customer service.

No. I'm not funny at all...

I just don't like it when companies lie or distort the truth in order to sell their product.

(From Prosport's website)

Utilizing the latest Bosch wideband O2 sensor -5 wire heated LSU 4.9 (Prosport Inc. is the only one in the USA to use them)

This is a distortion of the truth. The LSU 4.2 sensor is the most commonly used WB02 Sensor on the market. While the LSU 4.9 sensor is the latest Bosch sensor, it was designed and developed for use with Diesel and lean burn operations. Sometimes the newest and latest thing isn't the best. I'll let you decide.

Also, the GlowShift WB02 uses the LSU.4.9. Maybe these cheap gauge companies know something that more reputable companies don't? Probably not... They can probably just get the sensors cheap because no one else uses them.

Read about WB02's here: WBo2 Oxygen Sensors

our gauge now has the widest range 10.0:1 to 20.0:1 AFR readings on the planet.

This is absolutely FALSE. As I mentioned before my LC-1 gauge will read down to 7.4AFR and will read as high as 22.4AFR.

Also I can't stand the fact that they have no support section on their website. I like to read over the installation manual of products before I buy them. Just to know the install process before I get the product. Their website is lacking any installation or user manual .pdf's. They don't tell you if it has any analog outputs, and if there are any, if they are programmable.

Plus, based off the price on their website the price is actually more than what I paid for my LC-1. At $229.00

I got my LC-1 for $205 shipped.

So, No... I'm not crazy I just don't like using products in which the company has to scheme or hide facts in order to sell it.

Also, I'm sure their customer service is awesome!! It has to be in order to keep on selling crappy products. Otherwise people won't ever come back to you.

 

[snowborder714]

Does the Innovate setup log accurately with DSMLink? My AEM uego is off quite a bit when logging in DSMLink which is why I plan on switching.

Yes it does. That is the wideband the guys at ECMtuning recommend.

 

[dylnwit]

You guys are hilarious that hate on prosports and havent used them.There warrenty is great and they have awesome customer service.

With gauges, as with any part on my car, I want it to work right basically out of the box. If it's a quality product, you shouldn't have to use the warranty, and unless they have a bad manual, you shouldn't need customer service either. Yes, they're nice to have, but at least 2/3 of the companies out there making stuff for our cars have great customer service, and considering that Innovative is always the company recommended by the jackal and dsmlink guys, I'd say they must have these areas covered too.

 

[assault187]

No. I'm not funny at all...

I just don't like it when companies lie or distort the truth in order to sell their product.

(From Prosport's website)

Utilizing the latest Bosch wideband O2 sensor -5 wire heated LSU 4.9 (Prosport Inc. is the only one in the USA to use them)

This is a distortion of the truth. The LSU 4.2 sensor is the most commonly used WB02 Sensor on the market. While the LSU 4.9 sensor is the latest Bosch sensor, it was designed and developed for use with Diesel and lean burn operations. Sometimes the newest and latest thing isn't the best. I'll let you decide.

Also, the GlowShift WB02 uses the LSU.4.9. Maybe these cheap gauge companies know something that more reputable companies don't? Probably not... They can probably just get the sensors cheap because no one else uses them.

Read about WB02's here: WBo2 Oxygen Sensors

our gauge now has the widest range 10.0:1 to 20.0:1 AFR readings on the planet.

This is absolutely FALSE. As I mentioned before my LC-1 gauge will read down to 7.4AFR and will read as high as 22.4AFR.

Also I can't stand the fact that they have no support section on their website. I like to read over the installation manual of products before I buy them. Just to know the install process before I get the product. Their website is lacking any installation or user manual .pdf's. They don't tell you if it has any analog outputs, and if there are any, if they are programmable.

Plus, based off the price on their website the price is actually more than what I paid for my LC-1. At $229.00

I got my LC-1 for $205 shipped.

So, No... I'm not crazy I just don't like using products in which the company has to scheme or hide facts in order to sell it.

Also, I'm sure their customer service is awesome!! It has to be in order to keep on selling crappy products. Otherwise people won't ever come back to you.

Good info, Can you link me to where you picked up your LC-1 for that price?

LC stands for Lambda converter correct? Meaning it will automatically convert the lambda reading to AFR to give the most accurate reading for any fuel specific gravity, so 11.3 AFR is 11.3 AFR with both race gas or pump? I ask because I dont understand why it would read 7.4 - 22.4 AFR ...

I like to see whats going on when im not tuning so I would shoot for the gauge kit too
wbo2 gauge kit I could simply install this with the gauge and sensor and tie the output wire to my ECU for DSMLink logging capabilitys?

Yes it does. That is the wideband the guys at ECMtuning recommend.

Cool, thanks. I think I may ditch the AEM and shoot for the Innovate WBo2.

 

[->PrOjEcTGS<-]

Good info, Can you link me to where you picked up your LC-1 for that price?

I got mine on EBAY! There's one on there for $199 with $6 shipping. I think his name is something 97_CamaroGuy. I'll look for it and get you a link.

LC stands for Lambda converter correct? Meaning it will automatically convert the lambda reading to AFR to give the most accurate reading for any fuel specific gravity, so 11.3 AFR is 11.3 AFR with both race gas or pump? I ask because I dont understand why it would read 7.4 - 22.4 AFR ...

The output for the gauge is setup for 0v @ 7.35AFR and 5.0v @ 22.39AFR, which of course can be programed anyway you need it for voltage offset at the ECU. How it does it or how it converts it, I don't know that.

Cool, thanks. I think I may ditch the AEM and shoot for the Innovate WBo2.

That's what I did. Ditch that AEM unit.

 

[snowborder714]

I got mine on EBAY! There's one on there for $199 with $6 shipping. I think his name is something 97_CamaroGuy. I'll look for it and get you a link.

Just search "innovate lc-1" and you'll get a bunch of hits.

The output for the gauge is setup for 0v @ 7.35AFR and 5.0v @ 22.39AFR, which of course can be programed anyway you need it for voltage offset at the ECU. How it does it or how it converts it, I don't know that.

But you can always reprogram it to read whatever you want (for both outputs). I have mine reprogrammed per the DSMlink wiki page. This narrows the range and makes resolution better. Who cares about anything outside of 9:1 and 19:1, which actually could be narrowed down even more.

 

[Blurred Talon]

All good info.

I do plan to sell my Prosport gauge for the Innovative once I go DSMLink. For now it'll do me and the price was decent.

 

[TSIMonsteR]

LC-1 plus gauge on ebay for $187 shipped right now (make offer)