New bolt on turbo choice besides 16g 2012

[Boosted98gsx]

I'd say he save his money and look into garrett.

Mitsu isn't cost effective at this point in time.

 

[talontd92tsi]

Id probably be looking at a rebuilt/used 16g then. I was just wondering what else was out there.

 

[JusMX141]

I'm with Andrew. Find a deal on a new T04E50 with a .63 T3 turbine housing and pick up a T3-flanged manifold, external gate, and o2 housing. That's about $1000 spent- has more potential than a 16G, makes better power on pump gas, and allows room for growth later without needing a manifold upgrade.

Sadly, you're forced to spend at least $1000 if you want to upgrade to any new turbo. Aside from that- used, rebuilt, or piece together your own setup are the only options.

 

[Boosted98gsx]

I'm with Andrew. Find a deal on a new T04E50 with a .63 T3 turbine housing and pick up a T3-flanged manifold, external gate, and o2 housing. That's about $1000 spent- has more potential than a 16G, makes better power on pump gas, and allows room for growth later without needing a manifold upgrade.

Sadly, you're forced to spend at least $1000 if you want to upgrade to any new turbo. Aside from that- used, rebuilt, or piece together your own setup are the only options.

*GASP*

Hold on while I get my defibrillator paddles, because I think my heart just stopped. SOMEONE AGREEING WITH ME ON TUNERS?????

WTF WTF WTF

 

[Bud92gsx]

Yes holsets are a great choice for a cheap turbo with great potential.

What about the hybrid 20g from one of our turbo guys on tuners?

 

[talontd92tsi]

Guess Ill just save up a few more pennies before I upgrade. Thanks guys.

 

[gofer]

Why would you not just recommend a rebuilt 16g? An hx35 for 300whp is a little over kill..

Because that wasn't what was in the original post, he edited it to say 300-350whp after I posted.

 

[954TalonTsi]

I just purchased a used bw s256 in a bep bolton housingfor 600... Just had to reroute water lines and get new intake/85$. I can upgrade to tt later on too . Look for a deal like I did

 

[gprix1]

Because that wasn't what was in the original post, he edited it to say 300-350whp after I posted.

If 300-350 is the goal, a small 16g would be perfect.

 

[Steve93Talon]

If 300-350 is the goal, a small 16g would be perfect.

You can make 300-350whp on a 14b.

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Beyond that, given the situation with 16g's, I'd look at an S256 non-extended tip, or one of the smaller PTE journal bearing bolt-ons if you want a "new" option. An HX35 in a BEP hotside is also a good cost effective option.

 

[talontd92tsi]

Well... Rendering this thread completely useless. The turbo that is on the car, which the previous owner stated the seller said was "a little bigger than stock", is an e316g.

Guess that makes this decision much easier.

WIN!

 

[tfaulk21]

I got it..... A brand new smoking hot flip of a switch full boost in a blink of an eye. A leaf blower hahaha

 

[TexasTurbo]

Yes holsets are a great choice for a cheap turbo with great potential.

What about the hybrid 20g from one of our turbo guys on tuners?

I like the idea of holsets too, but if you think about all the other extra crap you have to buy to go along with your "cheap" holset turbo, it becomes just as expensive as upgrading to anything t3 flanged.

 

[gprix1]

Here ya go.
I guy just posted a freshly rebuilt 14b up for $120 shipped. You would have solid MHI parts to upgrade that to a 16g or 20g hybrid very inexpensively.
Freshly rebuilt (0 miles) 14b (REDUCED!!) - DSM Classifieds
The deals are still out there...

 

[turboglenn]

Holsets aren't nearly as bad as the mutliple threads and mystique surrounding the oil pressure make them sound. Really you can get one cheap, add a BEP housing, make a down pipe adapter to use the existing DP on your car as well as getting a piece of mandrel bent 4" tubing for the intake and still be below the cost of a 16g (and that's before the pricing went crazy on them) But if you can't install a holset for under 600 bucks then you are obviousely paying people to do all the simple work that almost anyone could handle if they just applied some thought and work to it.

as for them being overkill for 300whp, I don't think that's really the truth at all, i think on pump gas which a lot of people are limited to, the holset is an idea candidate for these power goals and still being fairly fast at spooling when compared to the 16g

Not to mention the parts are easily found to rebuild them, I had to rebuild a couple MHI turbos lately and now even getting undersized/oversized MHI bearings is almost impossible, they are backordered just like the rest of the genuine parts (i will NOT use cheap-o china rebuild kits or maybe this wouldn't be an issue but i'd rather know what i put out will last over saving a few more dollars to put in my pocket from the bill)

 

[TexasTurbo]

I was more just referring to the bolt on ability of the 16g turbo vs. all the extra external wg, manifold if you don't use bep housing, dp adapter, etc.... the cost adds up. I definitely get what you're saying though. The turbo unit itself is cheap in comparison to other brands of turbos.... but the supporting setup isn't "cheap" in comparison to the already supporting setup for the 16g that comes installed factory on the car.

 

[JusMX141]

Holsets aren't nearly as bad as the mutliple threads and mystique surrounding the oil pressure make them sound.

Those threads are meant to inform, not to deter.

There's more information on Holsets on our site than any other site on the net, including the Holset forums themselves. We have members signing up from non-DSM platforms just to participate in our discussions; this is greatly greatly due to Bullseye Power who builds housings to adapt these turbos directly to our platform. I honestly believe there are more Holset turbos in use on DSM's than any other brand of car, collectively.

Holset is one of the first manufacturers I've seen to release hard data on oil pressure to the general public. They're basically saying "here's exactly what we want the turbo to see- if you follow these directions, you'll be rewarded with great longevity".

On the other end of that we have companies like Precision who has no oiling information at all released to the public- and if you call them on three separate occasions and get three different people, you'll likely get three different answers as well. Hard to choose an oiling setup based on poor information.


Any time you stray away from the factory turbo on ANY application, you should know and understand the oiling requirements for the turbo you're installing no matter what brand it is.

 

[JusMX141]

JNZ currently has the Blouch billet 20G listed for $879 on their site....not sure if it's still available at that price, however. They may have overlooked it on the pricing update.

Mitsubishi TD05H-20G-XT Turbocharger : JNZ Tuning

 

[turboglenn]

Those threads are meant to inform, not to deter.

There's more information on Holsets on our site than any other site on the net, including the Holset forums themselves. We have members signing up from non-DSM platforms just to participate in our discussions; this is greatly greatly due to Bullseye Power who builds housings to adapt these turbos directly to our platform. I honestly believe there are more Holset turbos in use on DSM's than any other brand of car, collectively.

Holset is one of the first manufacturers I've seen to release hard data on oil pressure to the general public. They're basically saying "here's exactly what we want the turbo to see- if you follow these directions, you'll be rewarded with great longevity".

On the other end of that we have companies like Precision who has no oiling information at all released to the public- and if you call them on three separate occasions and get three different people, you'll likely get three different answers as well. Hard to choose an oiling setup based on poor information.


Any time you stray away from the factory turbo on ANY application, you should know and understand the oiling requirements for the turbo you're installing no matter what brand it is.

I wasn't saying anything bad about our site's info(Which is by FAR the largest on the net and quated on every other forum i've seen discuss hoslet turbos) I was just trying to tell people not to be affraid of them just because of the infoposted about their oil pressure needs as well as draining requirements.. our site kicks ASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!