E-Bay EVO III Big 16g STAYING STRONG

[marq95gst]

Actually at one point RRE and Dejon Tool both were selling the same evo3 gt 16g that turbochargers had. I've had it on my GST for two years (now owned by someone else) this September and its still kicking ass with no shaft play, etc... Pulls hard, etc... And its not made in China, its made in Taiwan. (Read up) Taiwan's engineering and design is of alot more higher quality than what China puts out. It came ported with enlarged wastegate....for free!!! You can't beat that. You have to pay over $100 just to get both of those services with the MHI evo316g with other sites.

 

[dsm-onster]

On the process to make them yes, but you cannot patent something that occurs naturally (ie penicillin). Man made chains are patentable but not naturally occurring hydrocarbons.


Greedy? Who's greedy? The person who wants a company who made a product to get the money for their R&D or someone who wants a cheap knockoff that's based of a stolen design?

As for the metallurgy tests, I said I have seen them, not that I keep them on hand, and no it wasn't SBR's testing either, so you can stop trying to put words into my mouth.

What's the difference? You can only get penicillin from the company that has the patent on the process. If you can culture your own or get some on your stale bread then you're in luck.

And what is the difference between the EVO3 GT and the ebay turbos when it comes to the issue you've raised here?

No, sbr is not more greedy than these chinese companies. A distributor wants to get the money for the stock of products they purchased from their manufacturer. SBR doesn't strike me as being so noble as to provide funding for tests jsut for the benefit of MHI or you. They are in it for the same reason as the chinese companies.

FYI, so is MHI. Quality at agood price is rewarded w/ the most sales. When these chinese companies get better QC, they will get better sales figures. You can yell at those buying these turbos as you would someone buying 'hot" merchendice off of the street. But, it won't do you or the world any good. Too many are too selfish to care who originated the design. As long as it meets their goal. They'll be sold to the lowest offer.

Turbonetics does not make their stuff exactly how Garrett does. You can identify turbonetics from Garrett from the different wheel inducer/exducer diameters. They do not match Garrett. Whatever turbonetics does make that is similar (housings) to Garrett, I'm sure Garrett gets a royalty from sales.

No, the gt stuff CAN be different. but the previous generation garrett diameters are the same as the turbonetics diameters. Watch out! T-netics has a new GT-K turbo series

Let the results do your work for you. Man, don't get caught up in the frivality of who gets some other joe's money. You'll give your money to whomever you deem is worthy. That's your badge of approval and your line you've drawn. That's enough because that's all everyone else can do to renovate social structure. Take that precious energy and time and dedicate it to things not so vein.

Below is chart of the garrett/t-netics turbine and compressor diameters:

 

[AndrewD5418]

I love it how people are too cheap to even buy MHI turbos (which cost $500 for ****s sake) these days and have to resort to chinabay crap. Stop trying to reinvent the freakin wheel, and just get what's been proven to work, instead of risking your engine with this guinea pig crap. Also, why are you putting money into a company that is knocking off a turbo that was researched with some cheap metal piece of crap thats only purpose is to steal money from the manufacturer of actual QUALITY turbochargers. Putting something this crucial to your engines life, and something that needs to have very tight tolerances on your car that was built by a company in china that I wouldn't trust with a micrometer is something that just dumbfounds me.

I would have thought that $200 for the ease of mind that the turbo wont die on you in 2k miles would have been worth it. Guess I overestimate some DSMers.

I would love to see some dyno numbers though, unless you're scared to push the thing (Hell, I would be).

The thing is, the MHI evo 3's were/are on backorder on ALL of the stites for about 3-4 months so far.

BTW.. My mhi evo 3 big 16g blades is a bit fubard, anybody know where I could get a replacement?

 

[RedTurboEclipse]

I love those retards on toonerz that are arguing FOR the knock off turbos. I can't believe people would support THIEVES in this industry.

From DSMLink forums.

very nice.


You should preach about this also over here:
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=237530

 

[aero_sallee]

The thing is, the MHI evo 3's were/are on backorder on ALL of the stites for about 3-4 months so far.

BTW.. My mhi evo 3 big 16g blades is a bit fubard, anybody know where I could get a replacement?

Expensive, but FP has them as long as the site is up to date.
http://store.forcedperformance.net/...FP&Product_Code=MCW&Category_Code=Turbo-Parts

 

[fwdeclipse]

From DSMLink forums.

very nice.


You should preach about this also over here:
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=237530

Yeah the guy is obviously butt hurt over nothing. You act as if these guys are taking money out of your pocket. Like dsmonster said dont worry about what other people are buying, you just continue on and buy your REAL parts. BTW not everyone can afford REAL stuff so just take a deep breathe and go talk more trash about the people on TOONERZ. Just curious why did you even post in this thread. Some of us would like to see some real results from these two guys who have actually purchased them.

 

[Boosted98gsx]

If you guys had any concept of how difficult it is to lay out the plans for the volute of a turbine housing through engineering drafting, and then following it through the casting process, you might understand why supporting a company that is selling knock off replica turbos is ethically wrong. Again, why not go buy a forged a copy of a Rembrandt? You're doing the same thing, STEALING someone else's hard work and design. That's my point. I back the companies that put hard work into a product. Take FP's cams for example, yea you can order them from Comp for less money, but I'd rather buy them from FP themselves to show that I appreciate the hard work Robert put into getting those lobe centers dead on.

Again, if you guys want to display your moral fiber by purchasing a copy (which anyone can do) of a proven turbo, they by all means go ahead. But know that there are people higher up in the DSM community that will remember your names when you try to advance into the more knowledgeable boards and laugh at you because of this.

 

[dsm-onster]

But know that there are people higher up in the DSM community that will remember your names when you try to advance into the more knowledgeable boards and laugh at you because of this.

You can't be serious about this right? Or at least you mean other boards, not dsmtuners, right? All the moderators and the owner of the site from my interchange w/ them suggests that they acknowledge experience and attempt to stimulate *results-based* discussions; where the real world can later be researched for current and future board members. Having this thread stay open and, thus, encouraging reporting of actual results suggests differently than your remark.

We all acknowledge these turbos as not being MHI. Guys also pay less than half for them.

BTW, since it takes so much to design and cast a turbine housing. . . you do know that the turbine housing for these turbos are clearly casted from a different mold. And you're right about the fact that I don't beleive that it is all too difficult to R&D a cone wrapped around a wheel. There are literally 4 total variables. The turbine wheel takes a bit of study, though.

So back to the real world results. . . I've looked at the profiles of you guys getting later spool vs. you guys getting earlier spool and I don't see any "traits" in the mods that would lead to any difference. Is the A/R value casted on your turbine housing? In the other thread, I mentioned that the turbine housing for these ebay turbos has 0.70 a/r casted into it. Could it be that your housing is different, EclipseRydazz & Loewen21?

 

[92GSXman]

Again, if you guys want to display your moral fiber by purchasing a copy (which anyone can do) of a proven turbo, they by all means go ahead. But know that there are people higher up in the DSM community that will remember your names when you try to advance into the more knowledgeable boards and laugh at you because of this.

Someone on the internet may laugh at me and not approve of what I buy? Oh man I think I'll go commit suicide.

Come on man, you are taking this way too far. If someone doesn't approve of what I buy, who freakin cares? If you don't have this turbo or plan on buying it then why do you keep ruining this thread? It's for people who have purchased it or may plan to once they see a few more good reports on it.

I guess we can't buy aftermarket water pumps made by GMB either as they are only about $35 and the OEM one is over $100. Or 3g lifters made by Topline for under $100 a set when Mitsu wants $16 EACH for them.

 

[Scoped_GST]

Well i can say my friend had the Evo GT on his car for about a year, pulled hard and strong full boost by 3400 with nothing ported, and when we took it off no shaftplay whatsoever, so i can only assume its alright for now. Now its gonna be on my car with a much better tune, and i cant argue with the price of free.

As for Boosted98gsx . . . This is the internet, of course people with disagree with your "ethics", no point in arguing over it you arent gonna change anything. In addition, business almost never goes hand in hand with morals. Regardless of whether this is good for "original" turbocharger manufacturers, it is inevitable, China is on the rise, get used to it. You might not be aware, but the Japanese started copying the US, especially in cars, and making cheaper products which were initially of lower quality to penetrate the market. The market is too saturated, so penetrating with a cheap effective alternative is a great idea, and almost the only ide that works fast for China right now.

Biggest point im trying to make: All my friends agree with me that if any community should be testing the ebay brands, its the dsm community! we've always been the cheapest, most efficient with mods, and fastest for the money. Although the supra guys are definitely liking those ebay fmic's for the money hehe.

 

[tkelly27]

Well, I'll be a senior in ME starting in the fall, and my dad is an engineer/manager at a plant that, among other things, casts Garrett turbine and compressor wheels for aviation applications (I've got a giant compressor wheel sitting on top of my computer monitor, and half a jet engine casing hanging up in my garage, rad). So, I kinda know a little bit about this stuff. What do you do that let's you support your own position?

Again with the stealing from MHI! This design is 15-20 years old! In todays world that's like stealing the flat head Ford design, nobody really cares. Furthermore, they should have already sold enough of these turbos to recoup their initial investment. Which do you think they make more on, outdated 16g's or the much more advanced turbochargers in the EVO's? Pretty sure they sell more EVO's than 16g's, but that's just a guess.

The copying debate has NOTHING to do with the performance or longevity of these turbochargers, which is why this thread was started in the first place. I'd like to see dyno tests and people taking apart failed turbos. I only ever hear "it's a POS, it broke, so I sent it back." Crack it open and find out where it failed please.

I may or may not be getting one, depends on the deal I can get. If it breaks, I won't go cry in a corner, I'll figure out why so others can be informed. Haha, I need a job and a good running DSM first though : (

 

[dsm-onster]

Can we geta Amen^^^.

Right on. Nough said. So what's these turbos about? Does anyone have a turbine inlet picture comparison between these and the 7cm^2 turbine housing offerd by MHI? Can you give us one? Also does anyone have any turbine wheel comparisons (head on and side by side)? compressor wheel comparisons?

I know buying thse turbos means that one is probably on a limited budget. but someone please get to the track. . . It's worth the 15 bones for test and tune night to see what it will do. . .

 

[Afroclipse]

I just wasted a couple mins of my life reading this BS, for once can we please have someone talk about there ebay turbos without some anti-ebay turbo guy saying something. Where do these guys come from, i mean does someone pay them cause shit that boys VIRGINA was hurt. I want a review, after reading all this shit and no review i'm pissed, stop arguing with the ebay haters. How about we make a I hate ebay thread so that when someone has something to say they can take it there cause frankly we don't care. Who cares about the technical stuff please if i could find bootleg DVDs that showed like the real thing(New theatre releases) do you think i'll pay 8 bucks or just 5 bucks as well as sit on my knock of leather couch naked with my girlfriend eating sweet knock off popcorn sipping on knock off soda while she massages me with my knock off lotion.

 

[Street_Killer]

I just wasted a couple mins of my life reading this BS, for once can we please have someone talk about there ebay turbos without some anti-ebay turbo guy saying something. When do these guys come from i mean does someone pay them cause shit that boys VIRGINA was hurt. I want a review, after reading all this shit and no review i'm pissed stop arguing with the ebay haters. How about we make a I hate ebay thread so that when someone has something to say they can take it there cause frankly we don't care. Who cares about the technical stuff please if i could find bootleg DVDs that showed like the real thing(New theatre releases) do you think i'll pay 8 bucks or just 5 bucks as well as sit in my knock of leather couch naked with my girlfriend eating sweet knock off popcorn sipping on knock off soda while she massages me with my knock off lotion.

That was great, thank you for making my night.

Now can we please get a review and some factual numbers.

 

[skinnypimp]

hopefully i will get some results when i dyno my mirage gt, i'll post them for you guys

 

[EclipseRydazz]

Well I haven't hit the dyno yet. But I am hitting up GLD (Great Lakes Dragway) tomorrow and i am hoping to show you guys at least that result. And I will post my time slip for that....

Lee

 

[chavez408]

like i said before, enough talk and post some numbers!

 

[calreef18]

Anybody finally get some numbers up? Dyno/track?

 

[EclipseRydazz]

Anybody finally get some numbers up? Dyno/track?

Well couldn't hit the track yesterday due to rain ...Hope this upcoming weekend though.

 

[JusMX141]

I've been rebuilding all types of turbochargers at my shop for quite a while now and I've seen all three types of the EvoIII 16G in my shop- The true MHI EvoIII, the EvoIII GT, and the chinese eBay special which the original poster has installed on his car. Here's my take of all three versions:

MHI 16G: Completely reliable. There are 14B's out there with over 150,000 smoke-free miles on them and they're still going. The MHI EvoIII uses virtually the same center section (CHRA) as the 14B, so you know it's proven to last a very long time, given your car's engine will last just as long.

EvoIII GT: A well-built imitation of the MHI unit. I've actually heard this turbo is made in Japan, not China. The internals are very durable, and all parts are interchangeable with MHI parts so if you blow it badly enough to need a new turbine wheel or something, you can use MHI parts.

eBay knockoff Chinese EvoIII: A complete pile of junk. I've literally seen everything happen to these turbos. If consistently run a high boost pressure, the diaphragm inside the wastegate actuator blows out. I've also seen the wastegate flappers walk into the housing and lock up either closed or open. The exhaust housings threads are softer than the bolts you install the turbo with, so you'll almost always strip them out while installing them. The compressor blades are VERY weak and snap easily. Possibly the biggest issue is that A STANDARD MITSU REBUILD KIT WILL NOT WORK ON THIS TURBO. Earlier versions of this turbo had problems with snapping turbine shafts in half, so they beefed up the turbine shaft to prevent breakage. The result is a bastard that you cannot rebuild....it has a thicker-than-normal thrust plate, a thinner-than-normal oil shield, and uses Garrett T3 journal bearings.

The eBay turbos are junk, and the original poster will be LUCKY if it lasts 5000 miles. Even if it does, maybe he's lucky and got one that lasted....on that note, if you bought a box of condoms and 11 out of the 12 break, what does that say for the one that didn't break?

 

[Afroclipse]

the chinese eBay special

 

[EclipseRydazz]

The eBay turbos are junk, and the original poster will be LUCKY if it lasts 5000 miles. Even if it does, maybe he's lucky and got one that lasted....QUOTE]

Well I have had mine on now for about 9k and constant 21psi-24psi and not one problem yet…Hmmmmm I must be that one lucky bastard that paid $275 less then everyone else.

 

[JusMX141]

My point is once it does let you down, you've become the proud owner of a $300 canoe anchor because they're not worth rebuilding.

I've already had NUMEROUS customers just give me their blown eBay EvoIII's with super-low miles and buy one of my freshly-rebuilt MHI EvoIII's because they know they made a mistake and it's the cheaper to buy one of my turbos than a new MHI unit. None of the eBay turbos are worth rebuilding, so they eventually get sent to the scrapyard.

 

[blcknspo0ln]

The eBay turbos are junk, and the original poster will be LUCKY if it lasts 5000 miles. Even if it does, maybe he's lucky and got one that lasted....QUOTE]

Well I have had mine on now for about 9k and constant 21psi-24psi and not one problem yet…Hmmmmm I must be that one lucky bastard that paid $275 less then everyone else.

We're all glad that your ebay turbo is running great for you. Seriously, i'm glad someone else didn't get screwed over. The point of threads like this is to have everyone reading it realize that there are people who have had great luck with ebay stuff and there are those who haven't. It's all about education. Keep pushin' her!

 

[perley03]

I've already had NUMEROUS customers just give me their blown eBay EvoIII's with super-low miles and buy one of my freshly-rebuilt MHI EvoIII's because they know they made a mistake and it's the cheaper to buy one of my turbos than a new MHI unit. None of the eBay turbos are worth rebuilding, so they eventually get sent to the scrapyard.

How much is your rebuilt EvoIII's compared to a brand new MHI unit?