E-Bay EVO III Big 16g STAYING STRONG

[92GSXman]

Got mine today and I am very impressed, especially for the money. I know I can't go on looks alone but it seems to be a quality piece. I honestly don't notice much of a dfifference between this and the real Mitsu turbo. Also it has an adjustable rod on the wastegate actuator, I remember on my real Evo III 16g the flapper didn't close all the way and I had to bend the rod and add washers under the mouning bolts. I guess we'll have to see how it performs.

 

[EclipseRydazz]

Got mine today and I am very impressed, especially for the money. I know I can't go on looks alone but it seems to be a quality piece. I honestly don't notice much of a dfifference between this and the real Mitsu turbo. Also it has an adjustable rod on the wastegate actuator, I remember on my real Evo III 16g the flapper didn't close all the way and I had to bend the rod and add washers under the mouning bolts. I guess we'll have to see how it performs.

Cool man...let me know how it works out for you....

Lee

 

[Boosted98gsx]

I love it how people are too cheap to even buy MHI turbos (which cost $500 for ****s sake) these days and have to resort to chinabay crap. Stop trying to reinvent the freakin wheel, and just get what's been proven to work, instead of risking your engine with this guinea pig crap. Also, why are you putting money into a company that is knocking off a turbo that was researched with some cheap metal piece of crap thats only purpose is to steal money from the manufacturer of actual QUALITY turbochargers. Putting something this crucial to your engines life, and something that needs to have very tight tolerances on your car that was built by a company in china that I wouldn't trust with a micrometer is something that just dumbfounds me.

I would have thought that $200 for the ease of mind that the turbo wont die on you in 2k miles would have been worth it. Guess I overestimate some DSMers.

I would love to see some dyno numbers though, unless you're scared to push the thing (Hell, I would be).

 

[DRated]

Any problem with your lines popping off? Or did you hairspray them?

I will......

And now talking about the SSAUTOCHROME IC PIPES and the XS FMIC install and Performance.....It was easy,,,,Still boosting at about 23-24 ish and still pulls harder then the stock SMIC....For $225 Shipped....ONCE AGAIN a GREAT DEAL.....PICS BELOW

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[dsm-onster]

I love it how people are too cheap to even buy MHI turbos (which cost $500 for ****s sake) these days and have to resort to chinabay crap. Stop trying to reinvent the freakin wheel, and just get what's been proven to work, instead of risking your engine with this guinea pig crap. Also, why are you putting money into a company that is knocking off a turbo that was researched with some cheap metal piece of crap thats only purpose is to steal money from the manufacturer of actual QUALITY turbochargers. Putting something this crucial to your engines life, and something that needs to have very tight tolerances on your car that was built by a company in china that I wouldn't trust with a micrometer is something that just dumbfounds me.

I would have thought that $200 for the ease of mind that the turbo wont die on you in 2k miles would have been worth it. Guess I overestimate some DSMers.

I would love to see some dyno numbers though, unless you're scared to push the thing (Hell, I would be).

I love it too .If it wern't for competition out there, I HIGHLY doubt the evo3 16g would be going so cheap, considering the overinflated hype for the real turbo. Flows 60cfm (4 lbs/min) more than a small 16g and spools 500 rpms later. I think spool is overrated. But still, what street setup w/ stock displacement has reached the evo3 16g compressor flow w/ the stock 16g turbine? Why get a bigger compressor if smaller, faster spooling turbos have achieved the same results for most people. The bigger evo3 wheel is worthless w/out a turbine upgrade. That's more money. The evo3 16g went from an underrated over achiever to an overrated underachiever rather quickly. Guys and gals actually believe if they bolt on the real evo3 turbo they will eclipse to 400whp mark w/ stock cams/block, base tuning, big injectors/intercooler, and an MBC.

If these "GT" turbos become more reliable (which many suspect they will), then you can get your little evo3 turbo for even cheaper!!! Be happy we live in a capitalistic society.

Personally if I were going to buy a $550+ evo3 16g, i'd rather have something that spools 250-350 rpms later that delivers 100 more hp potential and is still bolt on for $300 more (pte 50 trim) .

 

[Boosted98gsx]

Kinda funny you mention capitalistic, since these turbos are made in CHINA, where our copyright laws don't hold and we can't sue for blatant COPYING. I think the US needs to embargo all china knockoffs. Competition? It would be competition if they weren't direct copies and actually had their own design originality. All the company did, was throw the compressor and turbine housings of a real Evo3 MHI unit into a mold casting, then started pumping out copies of what took some engineer probably weeks to develop. How is that competition? That's just THEFT.

 

[dsm-onster]

So now it's cheaper. This is the world of big business. I doubt MHI will double over. If they do, then they didn't forcast properly. Capitalism welcomes any loophole. That's why we have Johnny Cochran. Since when has capitalism promoted morals.

MHI 16Gs are mass produced. Once something is de-eingineered. It is always easy to mass produce. After all, the MHI factory took what the mitsu engineers designed and just:

throw the compressor and turbine housings of a real Evo3 MHI unit into a mold casting, then started pumping out copies of what took some engineer probably weeks to develop. How is that competition

If your morals don't permit you to buy the turbo then fine. but we live in a world of free marketing thanx to the US. So "CHINA" is using capitalism regardless fo their polital base. Speaking out against this would be speaking out against for what capitalism stands.

The Chinese are an intelligent, capable people. They will eventually decipher what the Japanese have done w/ the evo3 16g. If we can, why couldn't they? Are they less intelligent? Cannot they eventually aquire the funds and knowledge to balance a turbo and make it funtion as the original producer? If you are not prejudice, then certainly you understand that the law has it's limitations and EVERY manufacturer knows this. Especially a global supplier such as MHI, which has supplied for volvo and other european auto manufacturers and mexico. Let there be competition. If there weren't, MHI wouldn't try as hard. Don't fool yourself into thinking that, if there were no competition, they would work nearly as hard and we'd have turbo's that would last 50K miles. MHI and everyone else just wants your money. THAT is capitalism!!!

We have a vendors-reviewed website for those of us living in capitalism. The ones experienced in losing money w/ these foreign companies have a chance to voice their opinion.

 

[twack]

Ok in all honesty i had an ebay 16g. god that thing was great for about 6000 miles then everything started to fall to crap (still boosted and held together). the metals are all really cheap and all the parts in generall are cheap. i also have the ebay 1g intercooler kit. and that i can vouch for being awsome. i have one on my car and its doing great to cool down my 50trim

 

[92GSXman]

Heres the way I see it, if I can get an equal quality turbo for $275 shipped with new lines, hardware and gaskets then so what? If the turbo craps out in 10 miles what have I really lost? Trust me, I've wasted more than $275 on so called quality products made right here in the good ole US of A.

For all I know the real Mitsu Evo III turbo may be made in China as well. I honestly don't care who makes it. Besides, the guy that started this thread has already said he's put over 10k trouble free miles on his. I've rebuilt a 14b before and you don't have to be a rocket scientist to assemble a turbo. I did have Forced Performance balance it because I didn't have the proper tools to do so myself.

Anyone that says they've never bought anything with "Made in China" on the back is full of crap. Why knock their products? Plenty of people are sending stuff over there to be built for half price or maybe even less. Just look at the amount of intercoolers on ebay. Five years ago you had to buy a Spearco or whatever for $500 + just for the core. Now you can get race style high quality intercoolers for less than $200. I call it saving money, not sure what anybody else calls it.

 

[fwdeclipse]

I love it too .If it wern't for competition out there, I HIGHLY doubt the evo3 16g would be going so cheap, considering the overinflated hype for the real turbo. Flows 60cfm (4 lbs/min) more than a small 16g and spools 500 rpms later. I think spool is overrated. But still, what street setup w/ stock displacement has reached the evo3 16g compressor flow w/ the stock 16g turbine? Why get a bigger compressor if smaller, faster spooling turbos have achieved the same results for most people. The bigger evo3 wheel is worthless w/out a turbine upgrade. That's more money. The evo3 16g went from an underrated over achiever to an overrated underachiever rather quickly. Guys and gals actually believe if they bolt on the real evo3 turbo they will eclipse to 400whp mark w/ stock cams/block, base tuning, big injectors/intercooler, and an MBC.

If these "GT" turbos become more reliable (which many suspect they will), then you can get your little evo3 turbo for even cheaper!!! Be happy we live in a capitalistic society.

Personally if I were going to buy a $550+ evo3 16g, i'd rather have something that spools 250-350 rpms later that delivers 100 more hp potential and is still bolt on for $300 more (pte 50 trim) .

Well this knock off "evo3" according to there web page only flows 36lb/min as much as a s16g. I know you said that the evo3 is overrated and a s16g will get you about the same results. Well I can say I had an evo3 and ran it at 26psi and have recently installed my old s16g. BTW figured out my problem with slow spool. Anyway I notice a pretty big difference in the two turbos. I logged 38.5lb/min with the evo3 with stock cams and intake manifold. I logged this s16g at 25psi and was only at 33.5lb/min. I would probably have to agree that for the extra 300$ I would just buy a 50trim if funds would allow.

My opinion on knock off stuff is if you have the money to possibly lose out on go for it. I personally would not buy an ebay turbo. I do have an ebay fmic which has worked great and I also have the greddy knock off. I just would not have the peace of mine with the turbo as that is more significant part of the puzzle.

 

[blcknspo0ln]

Ok in all honesty i had an ebay 16g. god that thing was great for about 6000 miles then everything started to fall to crap (still boosted and held together). the metals are all really cheap and all the parts in generall are cheap. i also have the ebay 1g intercooler kit. and that i can vouch for being awsome. i have one on my car and its doing great to cool down my 50trim

This is why people knock chinese-made knockoffs. This argument has been discussed a thousand times over, but the jist of it is why, as the consumer, would you not want to support a vendor that has done the r&d, manufacture, retail, etc. portion of the turbo/dsm world? Sure you want to save a buck, but why pay even a fraction of the cost for a 'copy'.

It is proven that cheaper metals are used, cheaper means of manufacturing the turbo (also includes your turbo balancing methods), and the ever more prevalent production of said turbo (think back to that turbo that was literally held on by glue).

What do you have to lose with going with an ebay turbo? well let's see: time, money, performance, and of course, risking your motor (think wastegate sticking closed under WOT).

enough?

 

[dsm-onster]

I'm saying, why cloud this guy's thread w/ scepticism? Let him and the turbo prove you right or wrong.

Once the 'knock off companies' get it right, then it's right. It could be made in the south pole. Who cares. Let these guys experiment, bring prices down, and we all can afford to get good stuff at a better price.

How hard is it to get an internally gated tubo right? there are two moving parts. After a while, everyone does what the innovator does. Look at Henry Ford's factory. If you're a purist, then you should own a Ford. Everyone copies that original business model. And for years the actual designs. 'Knock off companies' get external gates right. Is an internal gate so much more complicated?

There's ONE I know (gsxtacy) that has had better results w/ this turbo than their FP big28. For those w/ open minds.

 

[RedTurboEclipse]

Boosted98gsx, thats why these guys who have this ebay turbo are here posting this thread and their results and experience.. to prove you wrong. You seem so passionate towards hating these things. Who cares, buy what you want.

Think outside of automotive parts. Just everyday products. Such as footware. Millions of people will prefer Nike over some no name brand payless shoes that look similar. And the arguments are the same, the Nike brand "might" probably last longer, perform better, and be safer for your feet (think engine in comparison). And yes I have seen Nike loyalists hate on those who wear those "no name brand" shoes.

But the point I'm trying to say is who cares, you didn't buy it, you didn't use your money. You have the "superior" brand, so you shouldn't have anything to worry about. If these guys fugk up anything, thats their problem then they will go back to the tried and true.

But a good handful of us are rooting for the underdogs. For more options. It wouldn't hurt IMO.

The ebay turbo talk always leads to these types of posts. But to say all ebay parts are crap, well people who say that now can easily be silence.

I have 2 personal DSMs, and 2 others that I personally am the adviser of. The one you see in my gallery, I did it "by the book", what the DSM veterans told us to do. All brand name goods. No complaints everything is good. Just being in the DSM scene for so long, I started realizing some of these parts are no brainers and easy for anybody to R&D.

It started with the XS SSAC 2g fmic kit. That thing has made a lot of us hypocrites, including myself, with all the talk in previous years about ebay parts.

Then slowly, gauges and pods have become great, turbo timers, new clutch/slave cylinders, radiator, headlights, oem style front bumper, short shifters, etc.

It's just a matter of time it gets into the more complicated parts, and right now, it looks like turbos are on their top priority.

 

[Mr Peepers]

^ Bravo

 

[EclipseRydazz]

Any problem with your lines popping off? Or did you hairspray them?

Nope not one poped off....

 

[BoostedinSoFla]

Boosted98gsx, thats why these guys who have this ebay turbo are here posting this thread and their results and experience.. to prove you wrong. You seem so passionate towards hating these things. Who cares, buy what you want.

Think outside of automotive parts. Just everyday products. Such as footware. Millions of people will prefer Nike over some no name brand payless shoes that look similar. And the arguments are the same, the Nike brand "might" probably last longer, perform better, and be safer for your feet (think engine in comparison). And yes I have seen Nike loyalists hate on those who wear those "no name brand" shoes.

But the point I'm trying to say is who cares, you didn't buy it, you didn't use your money. You have the "superior" brand, so you shouldn't have anything to worry about. If these guys fugk up anything, thats their problem then they will go back to the tried and true.

But a good handful of us are rooting for the underdogs. For more options. It wouldn't hurt IMO.

The ebay turbo talk always leads to these types of posts. But to say all ebay parts are crap, well people who say that now can easily be silence.

I have 2 personal DSMs, and 2 others that I personally am the adviser of. The one you see in my gallery, I did it "by the book", what the DSM veterans told us to do. All brand name goods. No complaints everything is good. Just being in the DSM scene for so long, I started realizing some of these parts are no brainers and easy for anybody to R&D.

It started with the XS SSAC 2g fmic kit. That thing has made a lot of us hypocrites, including myself, with all the talk in previous years about ebay parts.

Then slowly, gauges and pods have become great, turbo timers, new clutch/slave cylinders, radiator, headlights, oem style front bumper, short shifters, etc.

It's just a matter of time it gets into the more complicated parts, and right now, it looks like turbos are on their top priority.

Very good post.

 

[Boosted98gsx]

Boosted98gsx, thats why these guys who have this ebay turbo are here posting this thread and their results and experience.. to prove you wrong. You seem so passionate towards hating these things. Who cares, buy what you want.

Think outside of automotive parts. Just everyday products. Such as footware. Millions of people will prefer Nike over some no name brand payless shoes that look similar. And the arguments are the same, the Nike brand "might" probably last longer, perform better, and be safer for your feet (think engine in comparison). And yes I have seen Nike loyalists hate on those who wear those "no name brand" shoes.

But the point I'm trying to say is who cares, you didn't buy it, you didn't use your money. You have the "superior" brand, so you shouldn't have anything to worry about. If these guys fugk up anything, thats their problem then they will go back to the tried and true.

But a good handful of us are rooting for the underdogs. For more options. It wouldn't hurt IMO.

The ebay turbo talk always leads to these types of posts. But to say all ebay parts are crap, well people who say that now can easily be silence.

I have 2 personal DSMs, and 2 others that I personally am the adviser of. The one you see in my gallery, I did it "by the book", what the DSM veterans told us to do. All brand name goods. No complaints everything is good. Just being in the DSM scene for so long, I started realizing some of these parts are no brainers and easy for anybody to R&D.

It started with the XS SSAC 2g fmic kit. That thing has made a lot of us hypocrites, including myself, with all the talk in previous years about ebay parts.

Then slowly, gauges and pods have become great, turbo timers, new clutch/slave cylinders, radiator, headlights, oem style front bumper, short shifters, etc.

It's just a matter of time it gets into the more complicated parts, and right now, it looks like turbos are on their top priority.

Prove that theft of a product is a GOOD thing to do? Yea, good morality guys. Shows you have no sense of economics. Might as well throw government out the window too. Make sure you buy illegal narcotics and guns as well, show you have no decency about you. Makes a lot of sense to me.

Anyone can knock off a product guys, ANYONE. They aren't making the thing any better through R&D, just outright copying someone else's hard work.

[sarcasm]Glad to know you guys support theft and price gouging. Hope your car isn't stolen/gutted and all your parts are gone when you find it, god I know I LOVED that feeling. [/sarcasm]

 

[chavez408]

blah enough talking! show some numbers!

 

[RedTurboEclipse]

Your looking for a world that doesn't exist. Don't get this thread locked, but I bet you would like that before the people who own the turbo posts their results. You are totally taking this thing way too seriously and way out of proportion.

All we care about here are results, if ebay and other sites such as turbochargers.com sells these turbos, hell even RRE I believe are selling it, then its legal enough. Seriously, every big thread about these type of products has one guy ruining it.

 

[Boosted98gsx]

Your looking for a world that doesn't exist. Don't get this thread locked, but I bet you would like that before the people who own the turbo posts their results. You are totally taking this thing way too seriously and way out of proportion.

All we care about here are results, if ebay and other sites such as turbochargers.com sells these turbos, hell even RRE I believe are selling it, then its legal enough. Seriously, every big thread about these type of products has one guy ruining it.

Wrong, RRE does not sell this turbo, and Turbochargers.com are the ones that first exported the MHI evo3 16g to china to start this whole knockoff craze, they're the source of the problem, using them as support for your argument is asinine in itself. IF MHI was to sue ANYONE it would probably start with them for being the first to copy it.

I am not ruining the thread, only stating the facts that you're too prideful to admit to. You are supporting a company that has STOLEN a design that it did not contribute to, nor has any rights to, and are trying to write it off because you feel that it's "competition" to Mitsu Heavy Industries. Wrong again. What you are supporting is ILLEGAL. Competition to MHI is Garrett, PTE, Turbonetics, Holset etc. Bullseye made a good contribution by DESIGNING their own housing to make these turbos bolt on, as did PTE.

Turbonetics has a lot of designs close to that of Garrett, but they change enough to avoid patent infringement/copyright issues. The chinabay corp on the other hand, just outright blatant makes a mold of what has already been designed and casts replicas out of crappy alloys that they don't have the technology to properly control the partitions of metal within them, so what you get are poor bearings, shafts that break, improperly balanced wheels, and compressor nuts that aren't threaded properly and wind up being digested by the turbo.

This turbo with its shoddy design probably will never even see a dyno, and if/when it does I doubt it will hold a grain of salt against the real MHI. I am not afraid of the results of poor metallurgy, the end result will be enough to warrant my posts in this thread. The turbo will either grenade on the dynomometer, or will produce so little torque/horsepower compared to the proven MHI units, that the market will die.

 

[tkelly27]

Wrong, RRE does not sell this turbo, and Turbochargers.com are the ones that first exported the MHI evo3 16g to china to start this whole knockoff craze, they're the source of the problem, using them as support for your argument is asinine in itself. IF MHI was to sue ANYONE it would probably start with them for being the first to copy it.

I am not ruining the thread, only stating the facts that you're too prideful to admit to. You are supporting a company that has STOLEN a design that it did not contribute to, nor has any rights to, and are trying to write it off because you feel that it's "competition" to Mitsu Heavy Industries. Wrong again. What you are supporting is ILLEGAL. Competition to MHI is Garrett, PTE, Turbonetics, Holset etc. Bullseye made a good contribution by DESIGNING their own housing to make these turbos bolt on, as did PTE.

Turbonetics has a lot of designs close to that of Garrett, but they change enough to avoid patent infringement/copyright issues. The chinabay corp on the other hand, just outright blatant makes a mold of what has already been designed and casts replicas out of crappy alloys that they don't have the technology to properly control the partitions of metal within them, so what you get are poor bearings, shafts that break, improperly balanced wheels, and compressor nuts that aren't threaded properly and wind up being digested by the turbo.

This turbo with its shoddy design probably will never even see a dyno, and if/when it does I doubt it will hold a grain of salt against the real MHI. I am not afraid of the results of poor metallurgy, the end result will be enough to warrant my posts in this thread. The turbo will either grenade on the dynomometer, or will produce so little torque/horsepower compared to the proven MHI units, that the market will die.

When you get medicine, do you make sure to spend the extra $50 for the brand to support the original brainchild?

Furthermore, are you a metallurgist? Have you gone through and tested the materials? If you haven't, do you have any proof of what you're talking about? How do you know these turbos aren't failing because of poor oiling, lack of coolant flow, or abuse?

I've not been swayed either way on this issue. I've only seen ONE in depth, subjective test of any ebay part and it's value. That was for a header for a 2jz engine, and from what I could tell, the verdict was, you get what you pay for, however, in China, $150 is a lot of money. They went into everything, and the test was performed by an aerospace QC agent at his shop in his spare time.

Until I see something like that, I can cite cases where brand new, never run Garret GT series turbos blow compressor wheels out the side of the engine bay, and ebay turbo making ~500hp on a daily driven, junkyard built truck for two years without a single hiccup.

Would anyone care to dyno a b16G and a EVO III GT back to back? I think the outcome would be suprising no matter what.

 

[Boosted98gsx]

When you get medicine, do you make sure to spend the extra $50 for the brand to support the original brainchild?

Chemistry is chemistry, you don't INVENT painkillers or hydrocarbon chains, you discover their effects, erase the other chains abundant, and concentrate the dosage. Engineering is an art. When you go and make a copy of a Rembrandt, is that the same thing as buying over the counter competitor drugs? No. Bad argument.

Furthermore, are you a metallurgist? Have you gone through and tested the materials? If you haven't, do you have any proof of what you're talking about? How do you know these turbos aren't failing because of poor oiling, lack of coolant flow, or abuse?

I have seen results from metallurgy tests done on these turbos, talked to actual metallurgists and I know that the Carbon/nickel content of the turbine housing, as well as the concentration of Aluminum in the compressor housing are not how they should be. Same with the percentages of bronze in the bearings are not precise enough to warrant being a quality bearing. The bearings wear out quickly, the wheels are not cast well enough to withstand the EXTREME centrifugal forces that they achieve under load, and the housings with their poor mixes will crack and separate over time because of the poor alloy.

I've not been swayed either way on this issue. I've only seen ONE in depth, subjective test of any ebay part and it's value. That was for a header for a 2jz engine, and from what I could tell, the verdict was, you get what you pay for, however, in China, $150 is a lot of money. They went into everything, and the test was performed by an aerospace QC agent at his shop in his spare time.

Until I see something like that, I can cite cases where brand new, never run Garret GT series turbos blow compressor wheels out the side of the engine bay, and ebay turbo making ~500hp on a daily driven, junkyard built, truck for two years without a single hiccup.

Anyone can blow up a turbo, but when the turbos are taken care of (primed, well lubricated, cooled properly and every other step taking to make sure they last) and they still blow up before 2000 miles, that shines some light on quality.

Would anyone care to dyno a b16G and a EVO III GT back to back? I think the outcome would be suprising no matter what.

http://www.turbochargers.com/store/product_info.php?cPath=21_28&products_id=58

For that price, it had better make 500hp.

 

[dsm-onster]

Chemistry is chemistry, you don't INVENT painkillers or hydrocarbon chains, you discover their effects, erase the other chains abundant, and concentrate the dosage. Engineering is an art. When you go and make a copy of a Rembrandt, is that the same thing as buying over the counter competitor drugs? No. Bad argument.

This is BS. There are MOST CERTAINLY patents on hydrocarbon chains. Or at the very least, the only process known to achieve those molecular structures.

You have seen metallurgy results from who? SBR? what is there track record? Who would they hire? The seem so greed as not to deliver products ordered. Would you really believe the "truth" of a greedy person? Even if they are right. . .

RRE used to sell this turbo. Were they stupid enough not to tell the difference?

Imitation (from this thread):

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The real thing in my living room:

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If you turn it the other way I can spout off 5 other differences. Looks like someone at least did a much better casting job on the top turbo's turbine housing.

That takes us back to turbonetics. . . Where are the differences w/ turbonetics turbos and garrett turbos?

 

[tkelly27]

Yeah, MHI hand crafted the centrifugal compressor, they didn't take something that already existed and modify it to what they needed it to be... Engineering is a process of eliminating designs that won't work and finding the most optimized outcome. Good engineering looks like art though

I have seen results from metallurgy tests done on these turbos, talked to actual metallurgists and I know that the Carbon/nickel content of the turbine housing, as well as the concentration of Aluminum in the compressor housing are not how they should be. Same with the percentages of bronze in the bearings are not precise enough to warrant being a quality bearing. The bearings wear out quickly, the wheels are not cast well enough to withstand the EXTREME centrifugal forces that they achieve under load, and the housings with their poor mixes will crack and separate over time because of the poor alloy.

Let's see them, please. That would be interesting and relevant information. Furthermore, it may enable owners of cheaper turbos to know what to upgrade to have a longer lasting piece. *edit* metallurgy results from SBR?! I'll say no more on that subject.

It might be that a $50 set of MHI bearings and seals along with a more conservative tune to keep EGTs down to a more manageable level will enable cheaper turbos to live longer than they should. Or perhaps these would be a good center section for a clapped out real 16g?

Some make it 2000 miles, others like this one have been going strong for a while now. That's the point of this thread.

Haha, I won't be buying one for $800, but for $275, it might be interesting to see what happens... : D I'm not saying you'll get more bang for your $ than a real big 16g (which are now dipping below the $500 mark brand new, yay!), but there are a lot of people that will be buying them because they are priced to move. It's better to learn as much as you can rather than bash them IMO.

 

[Boosted98gsx]

This is BS. There are MOST CERTAINLY patents on hydrocarbon chains. Or at the very least, the only process known to achieve those molecular structures.

On the process to make them yes, but you cannot patent something that occurs naturally (ie penicillin). Man made chains are patentable but not naturally occurring hydrocarbons.

You have seen metallurgy results from who? SBR? what is there track record? Who would they hire? The seem so greed as not to deliver products ordered. Would you really believe the "truth" of a greedy person? Even if they are right. . .

Greedy? Who's greedy? The person who wants a company who made a product to get the money for their R&D or someone who wants a cheap knockoff that's based of a stolen design?

As for the metallurgy tests, I said I have seen them, not that I keep them on hand, and no it wasn't SBR's testing either, so you can stop trying to put words into my mouth.

RRE used to sell this turbo. Were they stupid enough not to tell the difference?

Actually RRE never sold the "chinabay" turbos. They only sold the tchargers.com GT 16g.

If you turn it the other way I can spout off 5 other differences.

So could anyone who can see.

That takes us back to turbonetics. . . Where are the differences w/ turbonetics turbos and garrett turbos?

Turbonetics does not make their stuff exactly how Garrett does. You can identify turbonetics from Garrett from the different wheel inducer/exducer diameters. They do not match Garrett. Whatever turbonetics does make that is similar (housings) to Garrett, I'm sure Garrett gets a royalty from sales.