E-Bay EVO III Big 16g STAYING STRONG

[SkURTnDSM92T]

We're all glad that your ebay turbo is running great for you. Seriously, i'm glad someone else didn't get screwed over. The point of threads like this is to have everyone reading it realize that there are people who have had great luck with ebay stuff and there are those who haven't. It's all about education. Keep pushin' her!

Im sorry, but 9K miles and 21-24 psi which "still pulls" is not a good enough explaination for me.. SHOW SOME CONCRETE DATA

For those of you who jumped on the 2G guy for making an attempt to help you guys understand the effect of outsourcing and foreign design on our economy, you have a lot to learn. It is the greed of each individual to find a lower price for a product that is made unethically that continues to drive down our economy. Look at the big 3 now..

Proper ethics and morality are ESSENTIAL for business, and life. This used to be the main draw for people in america to deal with american companies and shy away from imposters. Anything to make a buck, right? As long as your bottom line is the cheapest, who cares how it affects anyone else..

I will continue to buy quality anyday. Thats why I will be happy about my FP. When you can show me with certainty that these products are created with comparible products, and tested to the same reliability standards, then I may be less critical.

Dont post another word without Dyno Sheets, Logs, or Time Slips. Im sick of hearing you are "going" to go to the track/dyno

 

[JusMX141]

How much is your rebuilt EvoIII's compared to a brand new MHI unit?

On average I get around $375 shipped. I've sold them anywhere from $325-$425 depending on the overall condition of the turbo (exhaust housing wear, possible repaired threads, porting, internal wastegate flapper size, etc.)

Slowboy gets $598 for a new unported EvoIII with a 31mm flapper....if you can get them. I understand they're out of stock everywhere.

 

[EclipseRydazz]

Im sorry, but 9K miles and 21-24 psi which "still pulls" is not a good enough explaination for me.. SHOW SOME CONCRETE DATA

For those of you who jumped on the 2G guy for making an attempt to help you guys understand the effect of outsourcing and foreign design on our economy, you have a lot to learn. It is the greed of each individual to find a lower price for a product that is made unethically that continues to drive down our economy. Look at the big 3 now..

Proper ethics and morality are ESSENTIAL for business, and life. This used to be the main draw for people in america to deal with american companies and shy away from imposters. Anything to make a buck, right? As long as your bottom line is the cheapest, who cares how it affects anyone else..

I will continue to buy quality anyday. Thats why I will be happy about my FP. When you can show me with certainty that these products are created with comparible products, and tested to the same reliability standards, then I may be less critical.

Dont post another word without Dyno Sheets, Logs, or Time Slips. Im sick of hearing you are "going" to go to the track/dyno

….R U F-ING Serious???
ALERT_____ALERT_____Everyone…..Seems like we have a Business Major in the HouseWTF….
Dude seriously SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I could care a less where I get my shit for my car, as long as it works, and there are no problems (Hmmmmmm kinda like I am having right now)…So don’t hate cause you over pay for everything….
Ohh and for the track results when I get there I will post them…
So in the future, I really think people don’t want to hear how shitty our economy is …JUST AN FYI

 

[street2nerz]

Hi All, I am an original owner of a 95 Tsi AWD, which has 168k and Eagle replaced the turbo FOC at about 25k, a LONG time ago. The t25 they used has easily lasted until last week. let's see if an Ebay Turbo knock off will last for over 140k miles! Guess which One I'll be buying now. I guarantee you it will not be a knock off. Say what you will, however, the MHI is one hell of a turbo. You will get exactly what you pay for. Why risk such an important part to gain a short term boost number to impress your idiot friends? I too have thought about getting one of those from XS or SSAC, but you know, after judicious thought, it's really not even an issue anymore. Buy true Quality, Get True japanese Quality, that why ww purchased our 4g63t's for in the first place. Save your dimes for a few more weeks, then when the new MHI or Garret arrives, I promise you'll be WAY happier.

 

[JusMX141]

Well said.

 

[Mikael SS]

These arguments are inane.

Why buy a cheap car and try to make it go fast? Why not buy one that is fast from the factory, like like an SL600.

 

[S_Ranger]

Yup, that video is dark as hell...

I'm glad your ebay turbo is running good. But I want to see some dyno sheets, this will get that dude a lot of buyers and maybe he'll give out a group buy discount!

 

[EclipseRydazz]

Yup, that video is dark as hell...

I'm glad your ebay turbo is running good. But I want to see some dyno sheets, this will get that dude a lot of buyers and maybe he'll give out a group buy discount!

Well thanks al lot, I had to post something up here. I just haven’t had the time yet to make it to the track or the dyno. I am still hoping that this weekend pans out for the dyno, then next weekend I can hit the track weather permitting. But yeah, my buddies EVO put down like 450 to the wheels last week and those videos were coming back from the city. Seems like I am not dropping back to far and fast from him

 

[Afroclipse]

more we want more.

 

[TurboAnything]

I did a pull with eclipserydazz like a month ago on Gary Ave. And i thought he was running a evoIII the way the car moved. When we slowed down to talk i told him that the car moved real good and i thought it was a 16g and he concured now looking at this thread i was dooped its a ebay turbo.

 

[tkelly27]

I would like everyone who is complaining about the economics and durability of Asian made knock offs (specifically the one who said "I'm so happy with my FP turbo") to read through this entire thread.

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=267729

Specifically this part:
"I didn't just invent something new here, this is a regular ole' 18g just like we been building for years, just with a better turbine wheel than before and an improved , yes I will say it, NOT MHI turbine housing that is cast already ported.

We have always been very proud to sell MHI turbos, and as many of you know FP was the largest distributor of MHI turbochargers in 2006, and hopefully again in 2007. The trouble is that MHI is very (perhaps only) concerned with their "Real" customers, like Mitsubishi Motor Company, and Subaru Motor Company and Acura Motor Company. These guys squash any importance out of being "The Largest Distributor of MHI turbos in North America" with their ENOURMOUS OEM purchase orders."

aaannnddd this part

"Tiawanese castings only allow us to reduce our prices and offer you a better product for less money, and that is something everyone is looking for. There are no problems or defects in these castings. Factories in Asia have been making high quality castings for decades, and there is nothing wrong with sourcing aftermarket parts from Tiawan. In fact it allows improvements that would be too expensive to make otherwise."

I'm actually interested in buying one, of the 18g's but that'll probably be after I blow up the ebay 16g I've yet to purchase. Need to max out my 14b first. There is also some good discussion on what parts can be swapped out on these turbos to make them more durable/make better power.

Anyways, that's not hard numbers, just interesting information from a reputable vendor. I won't post anymore here until I actually have one and either A. broken it, or B. maxed it out on a dyno.

 

[marq95gst]

SkURTnDSM92T, you said:

"For those of you who jumped on the 2G guy for making an attempt to help you guys understand the effect of outsourcing and foreign design on our economy, you have a lot to learn.


So you have an FP turbo. Wow! You spent alot of money on quality. You bought a turbo from an awesome company (i'm not being sarcastic), but you don't understand that most of that turbo you bought is made overseas! So you are guilty too!! If one is going to chime in with the "buy American," or "f*cking up our economy" cliche, then I want to hear that you bought a turbo that is entirely made in the U.S.A and sold by an American company.

Ok, outsourcing. If there are American companies making turbos here in the states, but a company (FP, etc...) decides to buy it from an overseas company, that is outsourcing, and definitely not contributing to the U.S.A. Economy. So FP is guilty as charged!! j/k


"It is the greed of each individual to find a lower price for a product that is made unethically that continues to drive down our economy."

Dude, you don't make sense. #1 It is not GREEDY to search for a lower price. How in the ---- is that greed? So you went out and bought the most expensive turbo? Oh yeah, you got a FP! j/k So, unethical spending in the, or outside the U.S. continues to drive down the economy. A turbo from China will not do that. American companies that have outsourced hundreds of thousands of good paying American jobs to eastern Europeans, Indians, Mexicans, drove down our economy. That forced thousands of Americans into low wage jobs because that was all thats left (thanks Wal-Mart!). Just like all of these U.S. technology companies that wanted more money in the late 90s, so fired us in order to hire Chinese and Indians at $1 a week to assemble computers, etc...overseas. Look at Dell. American company? Those ###s make their shyt out of Chinese parts. Why can't they buy American made memory sticks? Hard drives?

Seriously? F*ck our economy. The more we put into it, the more we send to Iraq! Talk about some ethics there! Let me get off my soapbox now...

 

[Afroclipse]

SkURTnDSM92T, you said:

"For those of you who jumped on the 2G guy for making an attempt to help you guys understand the effect of outsourcing and foreign design on our economy, you have a lot to learn.


So you have an FP turbo. Wow! You spent alot of money on quality. You bought a turbo from an awesome company (i'm not being sarcastic), but you don't understand that most of that turbo you bought is made overseas! So you are guilty too!! If one is going to chime in with the "buy American," or "f*cking up our economy" cliche, then I want to hear that you bought a turbo that is entirely made in the U.S.A and sold by an American company.

Ok, outsourcing. If there are American companies making turbos here in the states, but a company (FP, etc...) decides to buy it from an overseas company, that is outsourcing, and definitely not contributing to the U.S.A. Economy. So FP is guilty as charged!! j/k


"It is the greed of each individual to find a lower price for a product that is made unethically that continues to drive down our economy."

Dude, you don't make sense. #1 It is not GREEDY to search for a lower price. How in the ---- is that greed? So you went out and bought the most expensive turbo? Oh yeah, you got a FP! j/k So, unethical spending in the, or outside the U.S. continues to drive down the economy. A turbo from China will not do that. American companies that have outsourced hundreds of thousands of good paying American jobs to eastern Europeans, Indians, Mexicans, drove down our economy. That forced thousands of Americans into low wage jobs because that was all thats left (thanks Wal-Mart!). Just like all of these U.S. technology companies that wanted more money in the late 90s, so fired us in order to hire Chinese and Indians at $1 a week to assemble computers, etc...overseas. Look at Dell. American company? Those ###s make their shyt out of Chinese parts. Why can't they buy American made memory sticks? Hard drives?

Seriously? F*ck our economy. The more we put into it, the more we send to Iraq! Talk about some ethics there! Let me get off my soapbox now...

Calm Down, back to your corner.

 

[EclipseRydazz]

SkURTnDSM92T, you said:

"For those of you who jumped on the 2G guy for making an attempt to help you guys understand the effect of outsourcing and foreign design on our economy, you have a lot to learn.


So you have an FP turbo. Wow! You spent alot of money on quality. You bought a turbo from an awesome company (i'm not being sarcastic), but you don't understand that most of that turbo you bought is made overseas! So you are guilty too!! If one is going to chime in with the "buy American," or "f*cking up our economy" cliche, then I want to hear that you bought a turbo that is entirely made in the U.S.A and sold by an American company.

Ok, outsourcing. If there are American companies making turbos here in the states, but a company (FP, etc...) decides to buy it from an overseas company, that is outsourcing, and definitely not contributing to the U.S.A. Economy. So FP is guilty as charged!! j/k


"It is the greed of each individual to find a lower price for a product that is made unethically that continues to drive down our economy."

Dude, you don't make sense. #1 It is not GREEDY to search for a lower price. How in the ---- is that greed? So you went out and bought the most expensive turbo? Oh yeah, you got a FP! j/k So, unethical spending in the, or outside the U.S. continues to drive down the economy. A turbo from China will not do that. American companies that have outsourced hundreds of thousands of good paying American jobs to eastern Europeans, Indians, Mexicans, drove down our economy. That forced thousands of Americans into low wage jobs because that was all thats left (thanks Wal-Mart!). Just like all of these U.S. technology companies that wanted more money in the late 90s, so fired us in order to hire Chinese and Indians at $1 a week to assemble computers, etc...overseas. Look at Dell. American company? Those ###s make their shyt out of Chinese parts. Why can't they buy American made memory sticks? Hard drives?

Seriously? F*ck our economy. The more we put into it, the more we send to Iraq! Talk about some ethics there! Let me get off my soapbox now...

Agreed.......

I did a pull with eclipserydazz like a month ago on Gary Ave. And i thought he was running a evoIII the way the car moved. When we slowed down to talk i told him that the car moved real good and i thought it was a 16g and he concured now looking at this thread i was dooped its a ebay turbo.

....i remember that sh**....Not bad for an ebay turbo ehhh????....Thats why i started this thread to show people that E-Bay Turbos can be very good. Maybe i am a lucky one that is not having any issues but "GREAT BOOST" ....But your ride moves as well my friend...

Lee

 

[allwheelTSI]

I think this is the saddest thread of all time, all you clowns talking about how buying anything chinese is the worst thing in the world and never to do it. Yes, I'm no fan of china's economy, but they make it possible for so many regular USA citizens to get in on capitalism. Like none of you shop at wal-mart, which is the biggest supporter of china's economy or a non American owned grocery store.. And don't even try to tell me you don't because I'm just gonna call BS.

These cheap china knock off parts help out our community so much. There are a whole bunch of lower working class people that can't afford to go blow 7 and 800 dollars on a turbo, or the like amount on a FMIC kit. Tons of these same people have great results with alot of ebay parts and it makes them extremely happy to be able to have a quick car on a budget. Anybody trying to knock these people and tell them that their killing their country's economy is a jerk. If the parts fail on them thats their problem. Let them deal with it, a warning about quality is fine. Though, people don't need to hear this garbage from stuck-up A******s.

If you guys are so worried about our economy why don't you crush all your import stuff, like cars or motorcycles, go buy Ford's, Chevy's, and Harley's. Or is it ok to buy from Japan and not china? And not to mention, go vote Republican, because lower taxes stimulate the hell out of our economy.

 

[JusMX141]

Actually the joke's on the people who insist on buying American cars....the majority of Ford, GM, & Chrysler's chassis components and brake hardware is- yes, you guess it....made in China.

It's part of the outsourcing going on to keep more American-built cars on the road....why would GM pay $45 for an American-made brake rotor when a $4 Chinese one does the same job and makes the final price of the car more affordable? Sure it won't last as long, but what do they care? The brake parts aren't covered by warranty anyway.

On the other side of coin is the American Autoworkers who lost their jobs when GM started buying those Chinese rotors so they wouldn't go bankrupt.

So whose side are you on- the fact that buying Chinese parts may be driving our economy, or the fact that buying Chinese parts is leaving Americans without jobs?

If you want to buy American....buy an EvoIII GT from Turbochargers.com.

http://www.turbochargers.com/store/product_info.php?cPath=21_28&products_id=58

 

[Spoolin4Ever]

Ouch the market has changed quite a bit; I got the real MHI for about $500.

I wonder which parts on that turbo are from overseas? I mean our cars were also made in the USA< but you know the engines came from Japan..(didn't they)..

My point is all the parts on that turbo could be imported. Maybe they slap it together, or they put the final piece on and call it made in the USA?

 

[JusMX141]

Exactly. That was my point....after I had just finished explaining how GM, Ford, and Chrysler are using chinese parts on an American-built car.

 

[JusMX141]

These cheap china knock off parts help out our community so much. There are a whole bunch of lower working class people that can't afford to go blow 7 and 800 dollars on a turbo, or the like amount on a FMIC kit. Tons of these same people have great results with alot of ebay parts and it makes them extremely happy to be able to have a quick car on a budget.

You're forgetting that if these Chinese parts never existed, there would be no "lower working class" because everyone in America would still be making a decent living and capitalizing on the Industrial Revolution that once fed our country's economy. But by doing that it would put a crunch on our Government's master plan to eliminate the middle class altogether and turn our country into China Jr.

If this kinda crap keeps up, in 15-20 years there WILL BE NO MIDDLE CLASS....you'll either be rich, or working for minimum wage.

How can the price of gas fluctuate over $1 per gallon from the winter months to the summer months and if you turn on CSpan or listen to Rush Limbaugh they can't shut up about how WELL our economy is doing? Does anyone else see evidence of a booming US economy? I sure as hell don't. The only people making big money in this country are big business owners and their stockholders....and I'm stuck busting my ass at work everyday and have to beg for a 25 cent raise just like any other employee while my boss rolls up in his Dodge Viper.

It's pathetic.

Now that we're completely off-topic....

 

[Afroclipse]

Please stop this jibba jabba about capitalism and what not, I already said we don't care we want to see if the product is going to work and how well it works and whether or not its a added investment. In other words is the knock off a good one or not. Please if you don't like china take off your clothes, shoes, put down your stationary at school, you know what capital boys take your foreign shit and burn it including your M part of your car DS(M).

 

[caliboy23]

I love it how people are too cheap to even buy MHI turbos (which cost $500 for ****s sake) these days and have to resort to chinabay crap. Stop trying to reinvent the freakin wheel, and just get what's been proven to work, instead of risking your engine with this guinea pig crap. Also, why are you putting money into a company that is knocking off a turbo that was researched with some cheap metal piece of crap thats only purpose is to steal money from the manufacturer of actual QUALITY turbochargers. Putting something this crucial to your engines life, and something that needs to have very tight tolerances on your car that was built by a company in china that I wouldn't trust with a micrometer is something that just dumbfounds me.

I would have thought that $200 for the ease of mind that the turbo wont die on you in 2k miles would have been worth it. Guess I overestimate some DSMers.

I would love to see some dyno numbers though, unless you're scared to push the thing (Hell, I would be).

You make good points that going with what's proven is never a bad idea. However not every DSMer looks at these cars the way you do. Some people see them as a cheap car with huge potential. So then they buy cheap parts for their cheap car and some times it works, some times it doesn't. But if a guy can go fast and do it spending less money, more power to him. The fastest DSM i've ridden in to date was a first gen FWD with stock fuel system a few bolt ons and nitrous. A lot of nitrous. But because he hacked everything just right and the motor was getting enough fuel from the NX wet kit it worked. It's not the proven way that we all get beaten over the head with but it worked.

I say that more people should take their own route to power and use creative imagination to take advantage of such an awesome platform. However some headaches will be saved by taking the same path that many DSMers before us already traveled.

 

[92GSXman]

I've been rebuilding all types of turbochargers at my shop for quite a while now and I've seen all three types of the EvoIII 16G in my shop- The true MHI EvoIII, the EvoIII GT, and the chinese eBay special which the original poster has installed on his car. Here's my take of all three versions:

MHI 16G: Completely reliable. There are 14B's out there with over 150,000 smoke-free miles on them and they're still going. The MHI EvoIII uses virtually the same center section (CHRA) as the 14B, so you know it's proven to last a very long time, given your car's engine will last just as long.

EvoIII GT: A well-built imitation of the MHI unit. I've actually heard this turbo is made in Japan, not China. The internals are very durable, and all parts are interchangeable with MHI parts so if you blow it badly enough to need a new turbine wheel or something, you can use MHI parts.

eBay knockoff Chinese EvoIII: A complete pile of junk. I've literally seen everything happen to these turbos. If consistently run a high boost pressure, the diaphragm inside the wastegate actuator blows out. I've also seen the wastegate flappers walk into the housing and lock up either closed or open. The exhaust housings threads are softer than the bolts you install the turbo with, so you'll almost always strip them out while installing them. The compressor blades are VERY weak and snap easily. Possibly the biggest issue is that A STANDARD MITSU REBUILD KIT WILL NOT WORK ON THIS TURBO. Earlier versions of this turbo had problems with snapping turbine shafts in half, so they beefed up the turbine shaft to prevent breakage. The result is a bastard that you cannot rebuild....it has a thicker-than-normal thrust plate, a thinner-than-normal oil shield, and uses Garrett T3 journal bearings.

The eBay turbos are junk, and the original poster will be LUCKY if it lasts 5000 miles. Even if it does, maybe he's lucky and got one that lasted....on that note, if you bought a box of condoms and 11 out of the 12 break, what does that say for the one that didn't break?

I find it hilarious that the turbo is a piece of crap or "complete pile of junk" in your words but now you actually sell them on ebay after rebuilding them. I hope who ever buys yours doesn't end up with a "$300 canoe anchor". Oh and I guess you had a change of heart on the American economy and now its OK to sell Chinese junk, right? I mean as long as you take a free turbo and throw in a $10 set of bearings and make a profit I guess its OK. In your auction you mention it came from a reputable vendor on ebay, however here you mention tons of things wrong with them that make them prone to failure. Good luck with the sale

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/e...viewitem=&item=160167305417&_trksid=p3907.m29

 

[BoostedinSoFla]

jusmx141 Owned.....Hahahahaha

"This turbo literally has 89 total miles on it. It was purchased just a few weeks ago by a customer of mine from a reputable vendor here on eBay"

But yet you bash Ebay turbos...This is some funny shit... I would think someone who hates these turbos this much wouldn't even be rebuilding them at all. You're trying to correct chinese made mistakes by replacing journal bearings and porting the wastegate opening and making money off so called "junk" turbos but yet in your description you say "no warranty is offered due to this turbo being a POS basically". Well since you've corrected the problems then stand by your work then.

 

[EclipseRydazz]

Wow.....didn't see this all coming......When i started this thread, had no clue it would blow up this much.....wow...But its still going strong with still no issues...So i cant complain...Hitting the track this weekend Weather Premitting...

Lee

 

[JusMX141]

But yet you bash Ebay turbos...This is some funny shit... I would think someone who hates these turbos this much wouldn't even be rebuilding them at all. You're trying to correct chinese made mistakes by replacing journal bearings and porting the wastegate opening and making money off so called "junk" turbos but yet in your description you say "no warranty is offered due to this turbo being a POS basically". Well since you've corrected the problems then stand by your work then.

Right. The customer bought one of my rebuilt MHI EvoIII's because he didn't want the Chinese junk that blew up in 89 miles. It actually didn't have an oiling issue that we could find....it just didn't last. He's using the same oil line and hookup on the MHI turbo that is on his car right now. I had to put something in that listing about why the turbo blew or I'd have a million questions as to why I rebuilt a turbo that had 89 miles on it.

The MHI I rebuilt is still together and boosting perfectly to this day.

He put the Chinese turbo on the car and drove it 3 days before it started to howl and not make boost. He took the intake off and found a TON of up/down shaft play that was allowing the shaft to wobble and the turbo not to spool.

Look closely to the listing and you'll see that I never praise the functionality of an eBay EvoIII 16G. At the same time, you don't want to start a listing with "This is the biggest POS you could ever buy" if you intend on selling it for a decent profit.

I'm not offering a warranty because I don't want the turbo back if the new owner has it 4 days and the wastegate actuator quits working or something. As far as the work I've done, I'm 100% confident that it will last a very long time.

Go ahead, bash me all you want. I don't give a sh!t.