Daily Driver Mods, Opinions Wanted!

[91stocker]

To hell with it then, #### spending your hard earned money on what YOU want. You should sell your car and buy a fighter jet, then nobody could outrun you. Bang for buck its the most power for the money. So you should sell your N/T car and don't #### with the stupid turbo cars just buy a jet.

Just be honest with the new people ffs. Stop filling their head with f&f non sense. Plain and simple bolt ons gain you nothing other then some extra noise. Complete and utter waste of money and time.

Haha I think all the hardcore 420a guys are getting sick of stocker's tired old rant... I just ignore anyone who gives personal opinions instead of answers to questions.

Lol hardcore 420a .

Sorry anyway, thats funny because i've had a lot of people thank me many many times for the info ive posted. They're glad i gave them the truth and saved them the heart ache. So as long as people appreciate the info im giving them, i'll keep informing new members with the truth.

 

[Slo2gen]

Just be honest with the new people ffs. Stop filling their head with f&f non sense. Plain and simple bolt ons gain you nothing other then some extra noise. Complete and utter waste of money and time.



Lol hardcore 420a .

Sorry anyway, thats funny because i've had a lot of people thank me many many times for the info ive posted. They're glad i gave them the truth and saved them the heart ache. So as long as people appreciate the info im giving them, i'll keep informing new members with the truth.

Being a realist and a pessimist are two different things. Not everyone wants a 500 whp car, IE the title of the threa DAILY DRIVER mods.

 

[jcart953]

I just ignore anyone who gives personal opinions instead of answers to questions.

^^this

Being a realist and a pessimist are two different things. Not everyone wants a 500 whp car,

^^I couldn't have said it better

 

[91stocker]

^^this


^^I couldn't have said it better

Being a realist and a pessimist are two different things. Not everyone wants a 500 whp car, IE the title of the threa DAILY DRIVER mods.

Neither of those statements change the fact that there is absolutely no power gain from bolt ons on the 420a platform.

Now im not trying to pick on anyone, but take jcart's dyno numbers for example. The 420a makes 140hp stock, assuming the average drivetrain loss for a fwd is 15%. That ends up as what 119whp. His bolt ons netted him a solid 3whp loss.

The magazine article i linked showed a gain of 4whp but it was also bias and they were looking for hp. Results may have been skewed slightly. Everyone wants to focus on the prices in that article. But your not going to even get a standard 2.5" crush bent exhaust ran for less $100.

Its not opinion, just plain facts that there are no gains to be had on a dd n/t. Your "hardcore" guys can argue it all you want, but they need to at least hear the truth and be given a realistic idea of what to expect. There is no "half full" when it comes to that platform.

Not trying to pick on anyone nor have i ever told anyone to sell their car. Just giving solid info and facts unlike most. Increased "throttle response" is rather partial and most likely a placebo of the increased noise and is any "power" felt by the driver.

You "hardcore" guys should be helping other 420a members instead of giving false hope. Best advice would be, buy your muffler of choice for the desired sound, wheels+ suspension are all good, cover the basic maintenance, and buy lots of car wax Keep it clean.

 

[Shake_Zulla]

Usless rant that has been going on since these platforms have been made

Why spend money on soda when water is free?
Why buy a hummer when a Mirage gets better gas millage?
Why buy a 5,000sqft house when a 1,000sqft house is big enough?

We give advice if someone wants to spend money on their GS not tell them whether or not to. If someone wants to spend money on their car who are you to tell them they shouldn't. If someone askes IF they should then thats a different story.

Your advice goes against what this area is for and thats answers partaining to this platform otherwise there wouldn't be a "bolt-on" section for the 420a. Stop cluttering up peoples questions with your "feelings" if you want to say something send them a PM so you dont start this STUPID fight every time someone has a question.

 

[ed1380]

Why spend money on soda when water is free?
Why buy a hummer when a Mirage gets better gas millage?
Why buy a 5,000sqft house when a 1,000sqft house is big enough?

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Soda, a Hummer, and a big house sare more expenive but at least they are better than the free/cheap counterparts. A modded 420a is more expensive and no better

 

[91stocker]

Why spend money on soda when water is free?
Why buy a hummer when a Mirage gets better gas millage?
Why buy a 5,000sqft house when a 1,000sqft house is big enough?

Why buy "power mods" that dont give any gains?

We give advice if someone wants to spend money on their GS not tell them whether or not to. If someone wants to spend money on their car who are you to tell them they shouldn't. If someone askes IF they should then thats a different story.

If you could read you would see that is exactly what i did. And if you could read at all, then you would see the title of this thread clearly states "Opinions Wanted!".

Your advice goes against what this area is for and thats answers partaining to this platform otherwise there wouldn't be a "bolt-on" section for the 420a. Stop cluttering up peoples questions with your "feelings" if you want to say something send them a PM so you dont start this STUPID fight every time someone has a question.

Then stop attacking people that give real advice and not silly opinions like "its still more fun to drive" or "better throttle response". Facts > opinions

 

[icancruz]

To the OP-my first dsm was also an n/a, although it was a 1g 4g63 version. I did all the free mods, and a few build-it-yourself mods like CAI, and a full exhaust. While you might net some small HP gains with this stuff, it's not worth it IMO to throw tons of money at. The most 'bang-for-your-buck' mods will be apperance and handling with your current car. I know there are some 'N/A or die' guys out there, and that's great for them, but it doesn't sound like what you're looking for. Save your money, do the free mods, and get a suspension setup that you can swap over to your new turbo car once you save enough of that cheese Make sure to keep your current ride in great shape, so when it comes time to resell it, you can get the most out of it.

 

[RallyEclipse98]

It would be great if everyone just calmed down a little.

New question: K&N drop-in filter or used ram air intake or K&N open filter on factory pipe? Everyone mentions the drop-in filter but if you can get better fuel economy with a RAI, then why not just do that?

OP: A 2gnt is really only good as a reliable daily driver. Leave it at that and appreciate it for what it is: one spectacular looking car for the money!

 

[jcart953]

Neither of those statements change the fact that there is absolutely no power gain from bolt ons on the 420a platform.

Now im not trying to pick on anyone, but take jcart's dyno numbers for example. The 420a makes 140hp stock, assuming the average drivetrain loss for a fwd is 15%. That ends up as what 119whp. His bolt ons netted him a solid 3whp loss.

*sigh*WTF.. Your proving your ignorance here with this statement. First off your comparing sohc (4g64) vs dohc(420a). Next your assuming that my car prior to the bolt-ons was still maintaining off-the line factory HP i.e (141). For all you know my car had 100hp(after all these years) and with the bolt-ons I netted 118hp? However seeing as though I didn't run a base run prior to the bolt-ons your argument is moot. Your also assuming my car was running in tip top condition which after looking over everything it wasnt i.e spark plugs were gapped at 55 (from prior owner), camber was off, car was stuck in closed loop, car was also running hella lean up top and had coolant issues, and the exhaust tapered off to a 1inch opening, and a whole bunch of other issues i notice I have to correct. Not to mention I was running big wide 17inch tires but that's besides the point.

You "hardcore" guys should be helping other 420a members instead of giving false hope. Best advice would be, buy your muffler of choice for the desired sound, wheels+ suspension are all good, cover the basic maintenance, and buy lots of car wax Keep it clean.

^^ To be honest I have no clue where you keep making this assumption from because I dont believe I recall anybody saying the op was going to gain massive hp from simple bolt-ons. I think you really need to read over things because more often then not I see you giving your personal opinion on N/A rather then actually answering the question at hand. If someone states they want 300hp from a n/a dsm then you can break there hopes and dreams with your cyncial talk about N/A and post all the links to that article etc etc. Until then you really need to learn to answer the questions at hand and leave out your personal opinion unless its called for (which you seem to insert regardless) and I'm not trying to be a dick either but thats just the truth dude grow up man.

 

[91stocker]

*sigh*WTF.. Your proving your ignorance here with this statement. First off your comparing sohc (4g64) vs dohc(420a). Next your assuming that my car prior to the bolt-ons was still maintaining off-the line factory HP i.e (141). For all you know my car had 100hp(after all these years) and with the bolt-ons I netted 118hp? However seeing as though I didn't run a base run prior to the bolt-ons your argument is moot. Your also assuming my car was running in tip top condition which after looking over everything it wasnt i.e spark plugs were gapped at 55 (from prior owner), camber was off, car was stuck in closed loop, car was also running hella lean up top and had coolant issues, and the exhaust tapered off to a 1inch opening, and a whole bunch of other issues i notice I have to correct. Not to mention I was running big wide 17inch tires but that's besides the point.

hahaha ^^ Sounds like the usual ricer excuses. Besides it was used merely as an example. You do not lose 40hp on an average mileage car. But you did prove my point exactly. With bolt ons you dyno'd 1hp lower then a stock car would have. Regardless of mileage that proves the debatable gains from "bolt ons" on the 420a platform, which btw IS WHAT THIS THREAD IS ABOUT.

Also that is exactly why alot of shops have washed their hands with dsm's. Cant take care of the basic maintenance, but want to mod it

^^ To be honest I have no clue where you keep making this assumption from because I dont believe I recall anybody saying the op was going to gain massive hp from simple bolt-ons.

There is no gain at all, that is my point. Specific dyno's and weather conditions would make more a difference then "bolt ons" would. To recommend a new 420a owner to buy and waste their money on those "mods" in an insult to all 420a owners and proves you guys dont look out for each other.

4g owners will tell you straight if that certain part works with your set up or at all and what to avoid. We recommend proper mods and supporting mods so others get the most for their money.

You guys seem to get all butt hurt when someone does the same.

I think you really need to read over things because more often then not I see you giving your personal opinion on N/A rather then actually answering the question at hand.

Please just stop and reread the title of this thread. Report back when you understand the ignorance of that comment.

If someone states they want 300hp from a n/a dsm then you can break there hopes and dreams with your cyncial talk about N/A and post all the links to that article etc etc. Until then you really need to learn to answer the questions at hand and leave out your personal opinion unless its called for (which you seem to insert regardless) and I'm not trying to be a dick either but thats just the truth dude grow up man.

Again, i guess you "hardcore" guys cant read. The op was clearly asking for OPINIONS. I gave mine as well as backing them with real factual information. Thats where my opinions carry some merit and ones such as yours do not.

You might want to take some of your own advice as well. I never intend to start an argument. Its you childish 420a guys that attack me as soon as i post up the link to that article, like i just struck your child or something.

Facts and evidence such as the ones i have posted are the only relevant posts in this thread. Posting things like "its still funner to drive" or "better throttle response" is completely ignorant and ridiculous. Because it is 100% opinion and in the end just mindless drivel. So attack those posts if you care about relevance.

 

[jcart953]

hahaha ^^ Sounds like the usual ricer excuses. Besides it was used merely as an example. You do not lose 40hp on an average mileage car. But you did prove my point exactly. With bolt ons you dyno'd 1hp lower then a stock car would have. Regardless of mileage that proves the debatable gains from "bolt ons" on the 420a platform, which btw IS WHAT THIS THREAD IS ABOUT.

No excuses just what occured. Besides my point is only to point out there are different variables to consider in your one-sided argument. And btw YOU BROUGHT UP THE DIFFERENT PLATFORMS ARGUMENTS. Seriously arguing with you is like arguing with a bag of rocks.

Please just stop and reread the title of this thread. Report back when you understand the ignorance of that comment.

....If you re-read my statement you would clearly see I was referring overall NOT JUST THIS TOPIC! So you re-read!

Again, i guess you "hardcore" guys cant read. The op was clearly asking for OPINIONS. I gave mine as well as backing them with real factual information. Thats where my opinions carry some merit and ones such as your do not.

Again I believe most of the other comments were also referring to your overall attitude NOT JUST THIS POST!

I never intend to start an argument. Its you childish 420a guys that attack me as soon as i post up the link to that article, like i just struck your child or something.

FALSE!!! Your lame example which I proved wrong early regarding the pointing out of my car was exactly that.

Facts and evidence such as the ones i have posted are the only relevant posts in this thread. Posting things like "its still funner to drive" or "better throttle response" is completely ignorant and ridiculous. Because it is 100% opinion and in the end just mindless drivel. So attack those posts if you care about relevant posts.

Your arguments constantly arises out of general stereotypes as to what all N/A's supposedly think and believe.

Also that is exactly why alot of shops have washed their hands with dsm's.

Or is it because this platform is getting old and they can make more money with more popular vehicles

Cant take care of the basic maintenance, but want to mod it

^^^sigh there you go assuming again. Or was it because the previous owner told me he already did most of those things. But your right in a sense still should have double checked over everything but w/e. All is being fixed.

 

[91stocker]

Post #111 owned this thread so hard. And since you failed to address any of the major points once again, and only succeeded in making yourself and n/t owners in general look bad. I will leave it at that. Have fun talking in circles.

It would be great if everyone just calmed down a little.

New question: K&N drop-in filter or used ram air intake or K&N open filter on factory pipe? Everyone mentions the drop-in filter but if you can get better fuel economy with a RAI, then why not just do that?

OP: A 2gnt is really only good as a reliable daily driver. Leave it at that and appreciate it for what it is: one spectacular looking car for the money!

How'd i miss this post. Thank god there's a n/t owner with some common sense.

 

[jcart953]

since you failed to address any of the major points once again, and only succeeded in making yourself and n/t owners in general look bad. I will leave it at that. Have fun talking in circles.

Smh...get over yourself man the only one arguing in circles is you! You spew the same tired repeated rant over and over again.

 

[Slo2gen]

Please just ####ing close this thread.

 

[jcart953]

please just ####ing close this thread.

^^+1

 

[TheEagle]

Just to finally sum it all up, honestly, as daily driver mods go, there aren't many to make that change anything substantially. The biggest thing is to focus on keeping it being a reliable and nice car.

However, what many fail to realize is a finely built engine and car can pump out decent power no matter if its a 4g63, 4g63t, or even a turbo 420a. The 420a N/A may not have what many look for, but built right with a turbo and it kicks out just as much as there turbo counterparts, and usually more.

It just all depends on what YOU want to do with YOUR car. I am honestly getting tired of everyone's "measuring" competition between the different types. Why not just be DSM enthusiasts? just food for thought.

So where are all these Talon ESRs? Gotta admit I'm intrigued by the 280hp @ 9psi.

EDIT: after reading more closely, I'm pretty sure there's no such thing. People will make a website based on just about anything.

Correct. There was no true ESR, it was just a pretty name to be put on it someone was trying to push. But these were true cars. And there are many because in general terms, any turbo'd 420a falls into this category. The "ESR" was when Hahn Racecraft was experimenting to create a turbo for the 420a platform that works.
And well, it did. The Hahn stage 1 and 2 for the 420a platform have worked by many beautifully. They may be a bit more expensive then generic, but your buying a reputable system.

 

[Fotowntalon]

I've seen dyno's of close to 15whp gains by simply an intake on a new Honda Civic Si!! Holy hell! On a standard 4g63, you can barely mod before needing to upgrade the fuel system, because it is basically tapped. Sell your stupid 4gay63's and 420gays and buy a damn Civic Si, you don't have to upgrade the fuel system out of the box! Not to mention more stock hp than both these cars and comes in blue!

*Edit* changing my mind, go with an LS engine, there is a reason they are popular. Screw this ricer scene, make a beefy V8 engine for cheaper than most that I4 crap. Hell, I4 record holders barely break the 6's, there are tons of V8 in the 6's. You know how easy it is to make a sub 10s v8?

 

[ed1380]

You have no idea what you're talking about

stock injectors and fuel pump(rewired) max out at 300hp
stock fuel lines, coils, internals are good till 600hp.

$450 for a 20g. $150 for some 650's. $50 for a 190pump. $50 for misc gaskets.

That's $700 for an extra 200 hp. (I'm leaving out exhaust, fmic, and tuning because it varies greatly)

Good luck on getting a better $$ to hp ratio on any other car.



EDIT: I wouldn't say sub 10, but mid 10's. stock LS1's are also good for 600hp. I agree with you on that. And guess what? It's still a better bang for the buck than the 420a.

 

[Fotowntalon]

Your right 4g63 best cars ever! its all about hp, one of the main reasons, Lotus Elise's suck!

Alright over 800 posts, and I have yet to troll, I do enjoy it on FB, but I feel I should have more class here. I guess what really erk's me is this disgusting attitude that 90% of the members on this site get from the Elitist 4g63 members, its really gets old an annoying. Oh we know, you are just shedding light that our platform is not the best one on the planet, thanks for the newsflash, had no idea that a 15 year old platform would be outdated!

People want to mod and have fun? Let them. I'd be willing to wager at least 75% of the members on this sites car is under 400whp, which really is not that hard of a goal to hit on about any platform if you turbo. If someone asks what are some DD mods, let them have there fun, instead of tell them to get bent (i'm sorry you are technically saying "get bent" in a much nicer fashion with "links" and "facts") But honestly that is all you are doing

I have no problems with people needing to be realistic, but there is a thin line between saying be realistic and telling someone they are dumb for wanting to spend a few bills to to give a little pep to a DD