Daily Driver turbo kit that is affordable?

[Brandenbmx]

I just finished my 420a neon bottom end. My friends call my car "the NEON" now....

Long story shot. I purchased the car with a rod hanging out of the block for cheap... I coudnt find a 420dohc engine to replace it. The head on the car had less than 2000 miles on it before the kid blew it up so I decided to re use the head on a neon block. I did rings, bearings, water pump, timing belt and hydro tensioner. All the normal stuff except for I ended up having to have the head done again, because when the piston came apart it hit valves. So I only took it to machine shop for them to hot tank it to get any metal shavings out of it. Ended up doing alot more than expected.
Clutch is new and a "stage 2" clutch..... Whatever that means.... When I had it apart it wasnt a "puck style" clutch so I dont know why its anything more than stock, but whatever.

So now that the car is together and on the road, I would like to build a turbo kit. Nothing crazy, Im not going to test and tune night at the drag strip or anything like that. I plan driving this car daily for work.

I dont want to spend 2k on a set up, something fun and dependable and noticable while still being street able. Any sugestions.

I dont want to do stand alone management... or have to do anything crazy.

Something like a manifold, injectors, small ball bearing turbo, wastegate, piping and intercooler, maybe TB, and intake manifold.

 

[TSI from Hell]

I'm 100000% sure this question has been covered 1000000 times already.

NO "turbo kit" is going to be quality parts. If you want quality you need to piece it together.

And the last comment i'll say is this: Power/Reliability/Price, you can only choose two.

 

[brandonwh64]

In all honesty, its not worth it. 420a can handle UP to around 8 PSI on stock internals (Maybe 10PSI but thats pushing it and you would probably need Mega squirt at that time). even at 10PSI, you would still have a hard time keeping up with a stock GST/GSX with 4g63. You can piece one together for around 1000$ Below are some threads you may find helpful. I recommend not doing this since you already just spend a pretty penny on a STOCK rebuild 420A

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/420a-turbo-conversion/366603-end-all-parts-list-go-turbo.html
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/articles-turbo-system-intercooler/181134-how-build-420a-stage-2-turbo-kit-under-1000-a.html

 

[Absit]

How remarkably similar:
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/420a-bolt-tech/405585-what-mod-would-you-do-next-more-n-power.html

 

[Brandenbmx]

How remarkably similar:
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/420a-bolt-tech/405585-what-mod-would-you-do-next-more-n-power.html

Except its not because, his is N/A. He does not want turbo..

And I have more than 1000 to spend. But I dont want a "show car"or a tuner car, I want everyday dependable.

I want to drive it to and from work. No shows, no strips. Up and down the interstate and I want to add turbo. It doesnt have to run 10 psi. Just a lil more when I need it.

Im not new to buliding a turbo setup. I have built several.(5.9 cummins diesels, 12 and 24 valves) I am NOT going to "buy a pre built kit" nor did I say I wanted too. I said I want to BUILD a turbo kit. I want to know what works well that doesnt need EXTENSIVE moification, becuase Im not building a tack car.

I read what I searched for, and its the same answers 2 kits from 2 companys that one doesnt even exist anymore....

I am going to put together my own setup, I just need to know where to start, what can I run on stock fuel mgmt? Whats a good manifold to go with, what size turbo should I be look at (ar)? etc.....

If you dont know the answers thats fine, but dont troll my post... someone has built a dependable not wild turbo 420a before im sure.

sorry... Not trying to be rude.

 

[Absit]

Except its not because, his is N/A. He does not want turbo..

And I have more than 1000 to spend. But I dont want a "show car"or a tuner car, I want everyday dependable.

I want to drive it to and from work. No shows, no strips. Up and down the interstate and I want to add turbo. It doesnt have to run 10 psi. Just a lil more when I need it.

Im not new to buliding a turbo setup. I have built several.(5.9 cummins diesels, 12 and 24 valves) I am NOT going to "buy a pre built kit" nor did I say I wanted too. I said I want to BUILD a turbo kit. I want to know what works well that doesnt need EXTENSIVE moification, becuase Im not building a tack car.

I read what I searched for, and its the same answers 2 kits from 2 companys that one doesnt even exist anymore....

I am going to put together my own setup, I just need to know where to start, what can I run on stock fuel mgmt? Whats a good manifold to go with, what size turbo should I be look at (ar)? etc.....

If you dont know the answers thats fine, but dont troll my post... someone has built a dependable not wild turbo 420a before im sure.

sorry... Not trying to be rude.

You're both trying to make more power without spending a lot of money, I call that similar. The answer to both is similar too, you just don't like yours as much.

 

[Th3DooM]

You'll always pay more for more power on an N/A than on a boosted car.

 

[Slo2gen]

even at 10PSI, you would still have a hard time keeping up with a stock GST/GSX with 4g63.

So wrong, 10psi on a 420a VS a STOCK gst/x the 420a would win, BUT all the GST/X has to do is up the boost a couple more PSI. To be honest, if you want a reliable turbo set up then you need to go with a Hahn kit, I know people that have been running the Hahn kit for more than 3 years and its still fine. Is the Hahn kit cheap, no but it is dependable and for the most part trouble free. If you do decide to piece together a kit, more than likely it will be more trouble than its worth, if your only going to run 10psi.

 

[brandonwh64]

So wrong, 10psi on a 420a VS a STOCK gst/x the 420a would win, BUT all the GST/X has to do is up the boost a couple more PSI. To be honest, if you want a reliable turbo set up then you need to go with a Hahn kit, I know people that have been running the Hahn kit for more than 3 years and its still fine. Is the Hahn kit cheap, no but it is dependable and for the most part trouble free. If you do decide to piece together a kit, more than likely it will be more trouble than its worth, if your only going to run 10psi.

well what I meant by it was that they are relatively close (within a couple of PSI from a turboed 420A @ 10PSI compared to a bone stock GST/X). My argument was the price difference of the platforms for almost the same HP.

Hahn kits are very good IMO. They are know to be big HP makers in 420A engines. The other limiting factor is the 420A stock internals

 

[Brandenbmx]

You're both trying to make more power without spending a lot of money, I call that similar. The answer to both is similar too, you just don't like yours as much.

Did you even read my post?...........

I have money to spend... But Im not going to spend stupid money on a work car!

I dont want to put it on a dyno, or go to a track with it, or BRAG about it on a forum.....

I want to tune it once and drive it. No crazy fuel mgmt or anything like that. A simple dsm manifold, the black top 450 injectors or the blue tops I am already running, maybe some fuel mods, and a waste gate, small turbo, intercooler. Im not racing anyone but the time clock to work. I usually drive about 2500 -3k rpm at between 65-80 depending on traffic, I just want to be able to get to that speed a lil faster.

This is not a project, show, or race car. Just a daily driver, a beater.

 

[dsmcrzy]

This is not a project, show, or race car. Just a daily driver, a beater.

Then why even sink the money into it? I know you wanna get there faster but really why not buy a newer faster car? You are just not making much sence to me and there is already more than enough info on this site for you!

From what I have read on about 8psi you want a 12:1 fmu and a better fuel pump and rewire kit. You have to get a specific 420a manifold whether its log style tubular or the nice cast one from symtech labs/treadstone. Any small turbo will work I'm sure esp for that small amount of boost a smaller turbo will be better. I picked up a 14b to use for my turbo set up that i dont have money to do yet . but a stock side mount should work well and stock 1g bov. cheap pipe kit from ebay and then oil and coolant lines and typical gauges.

Hope that helps a little. good luck

 

[blindboarder_02]

I understand your reasons completely. My DD needs to get me on average 160 miles a day for work. Mpls/StPaul traffic during peak rush is crazy. Its nice to be able to keep up with cars that have more than a 2.0L, which most cars now a days do. I have thought everyday for 3 years, Should I turbo this thing? My reason not to was simple, my engine simply wouldnt hold together. Does your "Neon" swap have the proper crank that can handle that much more force and torque physically? How are your bearing sleeves? Because of more crank spin and torque, they might shatter. How much force can the connecting rods withstand? Are your piston rings strong enough to take on that much more friction? These are a few questions I had to ask myself for a long time. In your situation it might be ready to go. On the otherhand, I would have to agree with the Hahn setup. A few of my friends are very pleased with their Hahns, simply because it was a very "Response Oriented" add on.
Keep us updated. I would like to know how this turns out for you.

 

[Brandenbmx]

Thanks guys.. I would imagine that the fresh engine could handle a small amount of boost. Im not going to abuse it. And if not ill pull it back apart and do a forged crank, rods and pistons. I may look at building another engine forged anyways.

Also I do have a "newer faster car" I have a 07 impala ss with a 5.3ls 327 fwd.
It has displacement on demand and it still drinks the gas. Plus I want to keep the miles off of it.

 

[VelocitàPaola]

For "just a lil more when [you] need it," have you considered nitrous in lieu of a turbo setup?

someone has built a dependable not wild turbo 420a before im sure.

You're right about that... there's TONS of information here. You're asking a vague question that's been answered in one form or another many times before, so don't be offended if you're not getting a straight answer. Check here for a "grocery list" of parts for a basic setup:

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/420a-turbo-conversion/366603-end-all-parts-list-go-turbo.html