Daily Driver Mods, Opinions Wanted!

[91stocker]

The Evo 4-10 are econo shit boxes? The RB26DETT is a grocery getter? Becuase that's the import power I'm talking about, not Civics and Sentras. If you read my last post completely you would have seen that I posted "I don't think the 420a falls into this category".

I still think those fall into the "anything can be fast with enough money" category. And the rb26 is an engine so if its put in a station wagon then yes it could be a grocery getter. I've seen a mid 90's buick regal smoke a vette on the highway, does that mean im going to ricer swap everything i own with a 3.8. Hell no. Its pretty sad that 90% of the imports have to swap a motor from something decent to be worth a damn. And just like my example of the regal and the vette. Again the vette is the standard. Detroit is power, plain and simple.

1hp per cubic inch from the factory is what deserves the facepalm.

Typical response, you know what that means, it means reliable. It means it doesnt scatter the motor every season. Its exactly why the import scene has been on a steady decline and why muscle cars have been around for 60+ years and going strong.

And yes the evo's are god awful ugly and about as consistent as a psych patient. About as reliable as one as well. I cant remember seeing an evo makes a single clean pass at shootout. I know they got their asses kicked by a cheaper car 20 years older then it. Quick 16 was dominated by 1st gen dsm's.

Plus, hasn't mitsu phased the evo out? So another import bites the dust permanently. What new import under 50k is worth the sheet metal is was stamped from?

 

[zac420a]

man i agree with you some what, but i love ricers. i own a 65 c10, it has built 350 with rock crucher 4 speed. i restored it from ground up, but my 2g holds a spot in my heart, one of two reasons why is because not many old cars handel like the "###" cars do and the fact of haven the chance to get 300 pluse hp to the front wheels is like no outher kind of car. and sorry guys i meant to say i dont wont to turbo it, i want all motor and idk ### people say, i will make good power with my 2g not bein turbo. i dont care ### it cost, money is no problem when it comes to cars, but i would love to have helpfull idea's to reach my goal's. once again NO TURBO!

 

[necrotopsy]

if money isn't an issue...

2.2L stroker kit, 12:1 compression, tune for e85

 

[jcart953]

^^ that

. i dont care ### it cost, money is no problem when it comes to cars, but i would love to have helpfull idea's to reach my goal's. once again NO TURBO!

^^ good luck with that you have a long road ahead of you.

 

[jordonbryant777]

IMO, the only way to achieve highly noticeable power gains from our 420a's is doing full engine mods like port/polish,cams,valve springs,forged pistons,rods,etc and megasquirt. building the top and bottom end and getting rid of the stock ecu.

 

[jrohner]

How's the mileage on those turbo models anyway? I just *might* start looking for a GSX if they average what my car gets which is 23-25ish mpg. But then, I like Subarus, and those are AWD too Not to mention I read the thread about misfires and it seems like everyone suffers from boost leaks and/or ignition troubles. My GS doesn't have those problems, ner ner ner

The WORST I ever got with my 95 GS was 26 or 27, and involved a lot of tire smoking, e-braking 180's, etc. I got up to 36 on the highway.

My 2G GSX got 19-23 on the highway on E85. When I first got it, I got 25-26 on gas without any decent tuning.

Once you fix the boost leaks, they're fixed. The misfire code can get annoying, but actual ignition problems are not a real issue until you start making some decent power (then it gets pretty picky with plug gap and stuff), as long as your plug wires are in good shape.

 

[GoCanes777]

Boost = Love

 

[jordonbryant777]

Boost = Love

boost=money which most of us dont have

 

[zac420a]

hey guys ive been looking at cams, for my 420a. im thinking about crower stage 2. i know i got to build head, but what i wanted to know is what else do i need to do? stuff like programmer, fuel, pistions, ect.

 

[Fotowntalon]

Been covered a ton of times, search around. (only linking out of the site because i just posted recently and knew where to find it)
Crower S2 question - ASEClub

 

[dropped99gs]

Here is an idea on how to build your 420a car w/out having it down for a few weeks or whatever building the internals. Go to a junk yard/pick n pull, find a 2g with the 420a and find out how much for the engine. I found one I wanted to snag and start my build with, my only restraint being there is no way in hell my girl would cooperate with that .
The engine I came across already had the head sitting in the back of the car. Whoever scrapped it had the timing belt snap and bent some valves. According the reciepts in the glove box, this happened back in 2006. And the car was just scrapped a few months ago. I know this because it wasn't there the 3 other times I went to that yard to see what I could find. I'm sure I could have haggled with the guy up front with the papers I found and could have had that engine for almost nothing.
Doesn't matter what your goal is, turbo or not, you can dissasemble, and build how you want without having to sacrifice downtime in your car until it's time for removal of the old and install of the new engine.
I probably could have bought that engine for ~$100-150. I have to stop and slow myself down when I get ideas and really look at EVERYTHING that is invloved.
All I really had to say here this time is simply, SEARCH, SEARCH, SEARCH.


Then SEARCH some more.

 

[TheEagle]

One thing that gets me is I read through these forums and everyone is saying save up your money for a gsx or gst or any other type over moding our 420a's. I find this kind of... hard? I haven't seen many/any 2g's up around here. Because where I live, there are none. I find issues finding any 2nd gen up here in the Midwest, and I have been checking junk yards and scrapyards as well for certain things, with no success. So yes, I do not see validity in just saving up money and buying the more powerful version because... as I have stated, none can be found. Its not like you can go to a car dealer n purchase these cars.

With enough searching I can find one, granted, there may be a few holed up around here. But does anyone else have any suggestions or ideas to this? like honestly, I see many people finding these cars and parts in scrapyards. Any suggestions on how? This is just a problem I have never ran into. My brother in Florida seems to be having better luck because he had seen a few in scrap yards around down there.. maybe he can get me the items I am looking for. anywhoo.

Sorry for the rant

 

[91stocker]

One thing that gets me is I read through these forums and everyone is saying save up your money for a gsx or gst or any other type over moding our 420a's. I find this kind of... hard? I haven't seen many/any 2g's up around here. Because where I live, there are none. I find issues finding any 2nd gen up here in the Midwest, and I have been checking junk yards and scrapyards as well for certain things, with no success. So yes, I do not see validity in just saving up money and buying the more powerful version because... as I have stated, none can be found. Its not like you can go to a car dealer n purchase these cars.

With enough searching I can find one, granted, there may be a few holed up around here. But does anyone else have any suggestions or ideas to this? like honestly, I see many people finding these cars and parts in scrapyards. Any suggestions on how? This is just a problem I have never ran into. My brother in Florida seems to be having better luck because he had seen a few in scrap yards around down there.. maybe he can get me the items I am looking for. anywhoo.

Sorry for the rant

92 mitsubishi eclipse

$1700 for a gsx and its in your town.


Hell even if you have to travel 300+ miles i guarantee you will still find a gsx for under 2k.

 

[TheEagle]

2g, not 1st gen. There's a ton of 1st gens for some ungodly reason. But I get what your saying.

Also has anyone ever ordered anything for M&S recycling? I am just wondering if the are alright or give a big hassle.

 

[zac420a]

can anyone tell me some good website's for 420a parts

 

[ed1380]

EBay /sarcasm

Rockauto for replacement parts. And unless you turbo it, the bolt on's are worthless. A test has shown that $1000+ worth of bolt ons made 7hp

 

[starfish]

there are plenty of used turbo parts/kits around.I rather see you put together a 7-8psi turbo kit instead of wasting $1000 on useless bolt ons.I know alot of guys on this site must have parts laying around that they can sell you cheap.I got a good working turbo(Greddy TDO4H 15G),Walbro 255HP,and a 12/1 Blox FMU.You can have it all for$200+shipping.The FMU needs a diaphram.Then all you need is a decent used intercooler and piping,Elecronic FCD ($50),and a log manifold .Oh yea,You need to get(or make) a T3 to T2 adapter to mount the Turbo I have.I also have a Ebay WG that Ill throw in for free.You can probably put this kit together for less then $1000.Am I forgetting anything?

I just found a adapter plate(T3 to T25) for $29 on EBAY

 

[Fotowntalon]

EBay /sarcasm

Rockauto for replacement parts. And unless you turbo it, the bolt on's are worthless. A test has shown that $1000+ worth of bolt ons made 7hp

Because we all spend $200 on an intake, and $800 on an exhaust system...

 

[Shake_Zulla]

Because we all spend $200 on an intake, and $800 on an exhaust system...

And also because a intake and exhaust is the biggest power robber on the 420a
Not like you can spend under 500 bucks for a way to replace the sluggish 420a ecu and get a way better gain. I like how all the 4g63 guys give advice on the best mods for the 420a and forget the most important... the freaking ecu

 

[ed1380]

Can you stay obd2 legal with a standalone?

(never modded 420a's so I don't know)

 

[PieEyedPiper]

So where are all these Talon ESRs? Gotta admit I'm intrigued by the 280hp @ 9psi.

EDIT: after reading more closely, I'm pretty sure there's no such thing. People will make a website based on just about anything.

 

[91stocker]

Because we all spend $200 on an intake, and $800 on an exhaust system...

Doesnt change the fact that it only picks up 4hp with an intake, header and cat back. Even if you were given the parts for free, it wouldn't be worth your time and or the cost of gaskets to put it on.

Not like you can spend under 500 bucks for a way to replace the sluggish 420a ecu and get a way better gain. I like how all the 4g63 guys give advice on the best mods for the 420a and forget the most important... the freaking ecu

$500 ecu on an n/a 420a is still only worth a couple hp.

But i guess its all up to the owner to decide if 10hp is worth 2k

 

[Slo2gen]

To hell with it then, #### spending your hard earned money on what YOU want. You should sell your car and buy a fighter jet, then nobody could outrun you. Bang for buck its the most power for the money. So you should sell your N/T car and don't #### with the stupid turbo cars just buy a jet.

 

[jcart953]

^^^

 

[Shake_Zulla]

Can you stay obd2 legal with a standalone?

(never modded 420a's so I don't know)

On the 95's and early 96's it doesn't matter because they are not obd2 ready so all you need to do is pass the sniffer test depending on location. Megasquirt will not pass an obd2 whether stand alone or piggy back due to the ecu not seing injectors or the ecu not even being there. Im not sure about the afx unit though maybe fotown can fill us in. I live in a state that required emissions every 2 years so its not a big deal to get my cars street legit in a weekend and then swap them back.

To hell with it then, #### spending your hard earned money on what YOU want. You should sell your car and buy a fighter jet, then nobody could outrun you. Bang for buck its the most power for the money. So you should sell your N/T car and don't #### with the stupid turbo cars just buy a jet.

Haha I think all the hardcore 420a guys are getting sick of stocker's tired old rant... I just ignore anyone who gives personal opinions instead of answers to questions.